Re: [9fans] OT: how do 9fans backup their Mac(book)?

2011-10-01 Thread Anthony Sorace
On Sep 30, 2011, at 13:59, erik quanstrom quans...@labs.coraid.com wrote: backup: 1. power down mac. remove hard drive. 2. stuff drive as one gigantic file into venti. restore: 1. copy your backup onto drive 2. install hard drive. power up mac. In principal, that's roughly what

Re: [9fans] copying fossil filesystem to a bigger disk

2011-10-01 Thread slash
if you (slash) could just grab the atazz binary (ftp://ftp.quanstro.net/other/8.atazz) and send me the output of        echo 'identify device' | 8.atazz -r [2=] /dev/sdE0 /tmp/somefile that would be great.  thanks! Here you go. Again, sdE0 is the old drive, sdE1 is the new one. slash

Re: [9fans] copying fossil filesystem to a bigger disk

2011-10-01 Thread erik quanstrom
On Sat Oct 1 06:37:52 EDT 2011, slash.9f...@gmail.com wrote: if you (slash) could just grab the atazz binary (ftp://ftp.quanstro.net/other/8.atazz) and send me the output of        echo 'identify device' | 8.atazz -r [2=] /dev/sdE0 /tmp/somefile that would be great.  thanks! Here

Re: [9fans] OT: how do 9fans backup their Mac(book)?

2011-10-01 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 13:59:00 -0400 erik quanstrom quans...@labs.coraid.com wrote: backup: 1. power down mac. remove hard drive. 2. stuff drive as one gigantic file into venti. restore: 1. copy your backup onto drive 2. install hard drive. power up mac. ROFL! What I guess you don't

Re: [9fans] OT: how do 9fans backup their Mac(book)?

2011-10-01 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 13:50:23 -0600 Latchesar Ionkov lu...@ionkov.net wrote: At work, I use Time Machine to a Linux server. You can do this? I tried to use a second internal drive for Time Machine but it claimed Cannot find wifi and refused to proceed. (O.o) This was with Leopard; maybe it only

Re: [9fans] copying fossil filesystem to a bigger disk

2011-10-01 Thread slash
       echo 'identify device' | 8.atazz -r /dev/sdE0 /tmp/somefile would be better Here goes. sdE0.out Description: Binary data sdE1.out Description: Binary data

Re: [9fans] OT: how do 9fans backup their Mac(book)?

2011-10-01 Thread erik quanstrom
erik quanstrom quans...@labs.coraid.com wrote: backup: 1. power down mac. remove hard drive. 2. stuff drive as one gigantic file into venti. restore: 1. copy your backup onto drive 2. install hard drive. power up mac. ROFL! What I guess you don't know is you can more or

Re: [9fans] copying fossil filesystem to a bigger disk

2011-10-01 Thread erik quanstrom
since i don't have one of these drives, i wrote a little program to dig into the ident block. a small aside. ata disks have two sector sizes. (groan.) there's the logical sector size and the physical sector size. by default they are both 512. the ears drive sets the set logical sector size to

Re: [9fans] copying fossil filesystem to a bigger disk

2011-10-01 Thread erik quanstrom
i forgot the interesting part of the program output word 106 6003 [valid=1] multiple log/phys? 1 log/phys 8 logical sector size 0 [valid=0] the logical sector size is by default 512, so the fact the logical sector size is invalid means it's 512. - erik

Re: [9fans] OT: how do 9fans backup their Mac(book)?

2011-10-01 Thread Venkatesh Srinivas
When my home directory is less than 2 gigabytes in size, I use dump9660 from Plan 9 port (or a standalone relative). Otherwise I rsync my home to a DragonFly BSD system and take a HAMMER snapshot. -- vs

Re: [9fans] OT: how do 9fans backup their Mac(book)?

2011-10-01 Thread John Stalker
Just curious what 9fans use, for home and/or work, to backup their macs. At work everything is FreeBSD and backups are not my worry. At home I use rsync to keep a copy of my home directory at work, and just reinstall everything else. So far I've had to do that once. Huge files which can be

Re: [9fans] OT: how do 9fans backup their Mac(book)?

2011-10-01 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
ROFL! What I guess you don't know is you can more or less do this without disassembling the Mac. Boot the Mac with the right keys pressed (I forget which) and it will emulate a Firewire drive. ROFL! What you don't know is (most) Macs no longer have Firewire interfaces.

Re: [9fans] OT: how do 9fans backup their Mac(book)?

2011-10-01 Thread Anthony Sorace
On Oct 1, 2011, at 14:21 , Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX) wrote: What you don't know is (most) Macs no longer have Firewire interfaces. This works again with the newest Macs with Thunderbolt. Lest this just be even further off topic, the relevant point here is that beyond erik's unless your

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2011-10-01 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
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Re: [9fans] OT: how do 9fans backup their Mac(book)?

2011-10-01 Thread steve jenkin
1. I liked the distinction noted between 'backups' and 'archives'. 2. Cloning a drive is of limited use on any system. Isn't future proof, doesn't scale, doesn't allow for disk size changes or hardware changes. Is a necessary part of an Admin Toolkit, but only for very particular

Re: [9fans] OT: how do 9fans backup their Mac(book)?

2011-10-01 Thread erik quanstrom
2. Cloning a drive is of limited use on any system. Isn't future proof, doesn't scale, doesn't allow for disk size changes or hardware changes. Is a necessary part of an Admin Toolkit, but only for very particular situations. really? what do you mean by doesn't allow for hardware

Re: [9fans] OT: how do 9fans backup their Mac(book)?

2011-10-01 Thread steve jenkin
w.r.t. Disk Cloning. you are conflating multiple issues: - hardware disk imaging - managing NAS appliances - handling VM images I agree with you. Cloning drives in low-end NAS appliances is quick, simple and effective. I had a lot of fun a year ago documenting how to clone config and data

Re: [9fans] OT: how do 9fans backup their Mac(book)?

2011-10-01 Thread erik quanstrom
You are right that cloning disk *images* is an essential part of using/managing VM's. Don't conflate that with cloning physical disks. why not? this reminds me of the mem $x ... with a computer. i think we've gotten to the point where we keep hearing $x ... with v12n. and why make such a big

Re: [9fans] OT: how do 9fans backup their Mac(book)?

2011-10-01 Thread steve jenkin
erik quanstrom wrote on 2/10/11 1:37 PM: it's all block storage. Nope. In the same way that RAM is finely differentiated with many incompatibilities 'gotchas'. It's not all memory. Go away and actually *do* the thing you are suggesting, then tell us how you went. Get 3-4 macbooks.