Re: [9fans] Octets regexp

2013-05-03 Thread tlaronde
On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 04:17:11PM -0400, 9p...@imu.li wrote: if we're talking about xd, i'll suggest 'tcs -f 8859-1' again in which case: My question was _not_ related to text, and _not_ related to french i.e. 8859-1. I know how to deal with this. -- Thierry Laronde tlaronde +AT+

[9fans] Rune update may have broken compilations

2013-05-03 Thread lucio
... or I may just be doing something inappropriate. But right now, I get: 5c -FTVw runebase.c f0 a4 8b ae 20 f0 a2 a1 8a 20 f0 a2 a1 84 20 f0 a3 8f 95 20 f0 a5 89 89 20 runebase.c:1255

Re: [9fans] Octets regexp

2013-05-03 Thread Tristan
if we're talking about xd, i'll suggest 'tcs -f 8859-1' again in which case: My question was _not_ related to text, and _not_ related to french i.e. 8859-1. I know how to deal with this. tcs -f 8859-1 will take your _binary_ files, and replace the bytes 0x80-0xff with the unicode points

Re: [9fans] [GSOC 2013] Implement plan9 commands in Go, Goblin

2013-05-03 Thread Yaroslav
2013/5/1 Steve Simon st...@quintile.net: There has been a win32.c in the labs distribution of rc(1) for years but it has never (to my knowledge) worked. I did a major overhall of the win32 port and back ports of a few plan9 tools to posix (I know, I know), and packaged the whole thing up.

Re: [9fans] Rune update may have broken compilations

2013-05-03 Thread David du Colombier
The procedure is: 1. remove runebase from /sys/src/libc/port/mkfile 2. cd /sys/src/libc mk install mk clean 3. for(i in /sys/src/cmd/8?) {cd $i mk install mk clean} 4. add runebase in /sys/src/libc/port/mkfile 5. cd /sys/src/libc mk install mk clean 6. cd /sys/src mk install mk clean --

Re: [9fans] Rune update may have broken compilations

2013-05-03 Thread erik quanstrom
On Fri May 3 09:31:11 EDT 2013, 0in...@gmail.com wrote: The procedure is: 1. remove runebase from /sys/src/libc/port/mkfile 2. cd /sys/src/libc mk install mk clean 3. for(i in /sys/src/cmd/8?) {cd $i mk install mk clean} 4. add runebase in /sys/src/libc/port/mkfile 5. cd /sys/src/libc

Re: [9fans] Rune update may have broken compilations

2013-05-03 Thread erik quanstrom
On Fri May 3 08:56:58 EDT 2013, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: ... or I may just be doing something inappropriate. But right now, I get: 5c -FTVw runebase.c one thing not in the sources version of 21-bit runes is the ability to regenerate the rune tables automaticly from the official

[9fans] anyone attempted to build ghostscript recently?

2013-05-03 Thread Steve Simon
Thinking of tackeling ghostscript again but failed at the first hurdle, it needs autotools to build... Anyone attempted this? -Steve

[9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?

2013-05-03 Thread Steve Simon
what the subject says, anyone put their venti (those that use it) on a solid state disk? -Steve

Re: [9fans] anyone attempted to build ghostscript recently?

2013-05-03 Thread erik quanstrom
On Fri May 3 10:19:43 EDT 2013, st...@quintile.net wrote: Thinking of tackeling ghostscript again but failed at the first hurdle, it needs autotools to build... oh please do! one question, though. are there better alternatives than ghostscript for pdf? ghostscript usually fails for simple

Re: [9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?

2013-05-03 Thread a
I have not yet, but i've been meaning to play around some with different arrangements for different parts. Please let us know if you hear anything interesting. Anthony

Re: [9fans] anyone attempted to build ghostscript recently?

2013-05-03 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 10:22:13AM -0400, erik quanstrom wrote: one question, though. are there better alternatives than ghostscript evince is a poppler frontend; poppler's problematic dependencies include glib and cmake. poppler is descended from xpdf, whose problematic dependencies are

Re: [9fans] anyone attempted to build ghostscript recently?

2013-05-03 Thread David du Colombier
Thinking of tackeling ghostscript again but failed at the first hurdle, it needs autotools to build... Anyone attempted this? Ghostscript 8.53 was already using autotools, but Russ Cox wrote a mkfile for it when he ported it to Plan 9. The current mkfile is already able to compile Ghostscript

Re: [9fans] anyone attempted to build ghostscript recently?

2013-05-03 Thread tlaronde
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 03:18:40PM +0100, Steve Simon wrote: Thinking of tackeling ghostscript again but failed at the first hurdle, it needs autotools to build... Plan A, create a SmallScript borrowing the rasterizing routines of METAFONT and not aiming to be a full PostScript interpreter.

Re: [9fans] anyone attempted to build ghostscript recently?

2013-05-03 Thread a
...and how does that help me read a pre-existing PDF document? ---BeginMessage--- On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 03:18:40PM +0100, Steve Simon wrote: Thinking of tackeling ghostscript again but failed at the first hurdle, it needs autotools to build... Plan A, create a SmallScript borrowing the

Re: [9fans] Octets regexp

2013-05-03 Thread tlaronde
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 09:15:27AM -0400, Tristan wrote: tcs -f 8859-1 will take your _binary_ files, and replace the bytes 0x80-0xff with the unicode points U0080-U00ff, so you can use the standard regexps and tools on them. and just convert back afterwards. OK, mea culpa... since I'm

Re: [9fans] anyone attempted to build ghostscript recently?

2013-05-03 Thread Jack Johnson
Is a PS/PDF library something that might benefit from reconstruction in Go? Or is it just a spaghetti mess?

Re: [9fans] anyone attempted to build ghostscript recently?

2013-05-03 Thread pmarin
What about mupdf? It has few dependecies [1] http://mupdf.com/doc/ [1] http://git.ghostscript.com/?p=mupdf.git;a=tree;f=thirdparty;hb=HEAD pmarin. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 7:16 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.netwrote: On Fri May 3 13:15:41 EDT 2013, knapj...@gmail.com wrote: Is a

Re: [9fans] anyone attempted to build ghostscript recently?

2013-05-03 Thread Jeff Sickel
On May 3, 2013, at 12:16 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: On Fri May 3 13:15:41 EDT 2013, knapj...@gmail.com wrote: Is a PS/PDF library something that might benefit from reconstruction in Go? Or is it just a spaghetti mess? go or c, a fresh implementation might be an

Re: [9fans] anyone attempted to build ghostscript recently?

2013-05-03 Thread tlaronde
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 09:14:18AM -0800, Jack Johnson wrote: Is a PS/PDF library something that might benefit from reconstruction in Go? Or is it just a spaghetti mess? Whatever the way (porting existing to Go or writing from scratch), a Go version would be an improvement against a C++ one

Re: [9fans] anyone attempted to build ghostscript recently?

2013-05-03 Thread Aram Hăvărneanu
But in this case, there are probably online PDF viewers... But no Plan 9 browsers. -- Aram Hăvărneanu

Re: [9fans] anyone attempted to build ghostscript recently?

2013-05-03 Thread tlaronde
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 08:10:26PM +0200, Aram H?v?rneanu wrote: But in this case, there are probably online PDF viewers... But no Plan 9 browsers. Yes... But this is also why, concurrently, work has to be done to get rid of some unnecessities: that documents produced on Plan9 be viewable

[9fans] [gsoc] Dart9P

2013-05-03 Thread Bartosz Wróblewski
Hello! I'm aware that it's rather late for this, and that I very nearly missed the submission deadline, but well... real life had other plans for me. Still, I'd just love to work on Plan9 over the summer, and here is my proposal:

Re: [9fans] anyone attempted to build ghostscript recently?

2013-05-03 Thread erik quanstrom
Yes... But this is also why, concurrently, work has to be done to get rid of some unnecessities: that documents produced on Plan9 be viewable on Plan9 with only Plan9 means (external documents are another problem). ghostscript already renders plan 9 produced pdf just fine. so that problem is

Re: [9fans] Scrolling considered harmful

2013-05-03 Thread tlaronde
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 11:18:37AM -0400, erik quanstrom wrote: i have seen that some ati cards are not happy with some modes. you may wish to try cinap's realemu which is at 9fs atom # srv $nflag -q tcp!atom.9atom.org atom # mount $nflag /srv/atom /n/atom atom

Re: [9fans] anyone attempted to build ghostscript recently?

2013-05-03 Thread Jack Johnson
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 10:38 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@labs.coraid.comwrote: Yes... But this is also why, concurrently, work has to be done to get rid of some unnecessities: that documents produced on Plan9 be viewable on Plan9 with only Plan9 means (external documents are another

Re: [9fans] Scrolling considered harmful

2013-05-03 Thread erik quanstrom
I have retrieved atom aux/realemu and I will have to test. But before, I will have to read the aux/vga sources to understand what it expects. Because aux/vga -p gives me all the informations about the vesa supported modes of the card, and even the monitor settings (I wonder that the problem

Re: [9fans] Scrolling considered harmful

2013-05-03 Thread tlaronde
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 02:57:12PM -0400, erik quanstrom wrote: the problem is that the VBE calls that are used to set up various video modes jump to vendor-provided real mode code that is often buggy. the reason for emulation is (a) to avoid problems associated with real-mode code

Re: [9fans] anyone attempted to build ghostscript recently?

2013-05-03 Thread Steve Simon
Russ Cox wrote a mkfile for it when he ported it to Plan 9. thanks, yes I looked at ghostscript a year or two ago but they seem to have changed their directory layout and modifying the mkfile was not straightforward. My need is for postscript to pcl6 for the printer we have, currently I run

Re: [9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?

2013-05-03 Thread geoff
I tried putting our index on a single OCZ SSD and it died during buildindex. The SSD was completely unresponsive thereafter, which is pretty appalling behaviour for a storage device. Having since sworn off OCZ, I would try again with a pair of Intel 330s in a RAID.

Re: [9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?

2013-05-03 Thread Matthew Veety
I tried putting venti on an ssd with similar results. Fossil, kenfs, and cwfs all worked fine on that drive though. I think it was one of the earlier Intels. On May 3, 2013, at 16:59, ge...@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: I tried putting our index on a single OCZ SSD and it died during buildindex.

Re: [9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?

2013-05-03 Thread cinap_lenrek
i have 60GB intel ssd in my new fileserver holding the cwfs worm cache. no problems so far. but the machine is just up for two weeks. its an experiment. if it breaks i have spare sata drive that could replace it. the worm is on a mirror with traditional mechanical harddrives. cpu% cat

Re: [9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?

2013-05-03 Thread Charles Forsyth
On 3 May 2013 21:59, ge...@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: I tried putting our index on a single OCZ SSD and it died during buildindex. The SSD was completely unresponsive thereafter, which is pretty appalling behaviour for a storage device. I had similar problems with OCZ. I was only copying

Re: [9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?

2013-05-03 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2013-05-03, at 1:59 PM, ge...@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: I tried putting our index on a single OCZ SSD and it died during buildindex. The SSD was completely unresponsive thereafter, which is pretty appalling behaviour for a storage device. Having since sworn off OCZ, I would try again

Re: [9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?

2013-05-03 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
We've had a lot of success with Intel SSDs, only problem is that they seem to be in short supply right now. We're also looking at Samsung SSDs, and they seem to be perhaps even better than the Intel SSDs. OCZs break often in my experience. 2013/5/3 cinap_len...@gmx.de: ocz seems to have a bad

Re: [9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?

2013-05-03 Thread erik quanstrom
I was running a really bastardized mix of old and new boot software, so it's quite possible I screwed up installing the correct MBR and boot loader. But it might also have been a problem with the BIOS or SATA controller on the motherboard -- it's a slightly ancient Supermicro Atom 1U, and it

Re: [9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?

2013-05-03 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2013-05-03, at 6:31 PM, cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote: ocz seems to have a bad reputation. just googled intel ssd broken and you get tons of results from people with broken/dead ocz ssd's. Disk drive reliability comes and goes with the seasons. For years I only ran Seagate disks, and

Re: [9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?

2013-05-03 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2013-05-03, at 6:43 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: (i'm not absolving the drive. just saying that there are plan 9 issues affecting your machine.) No doubt. But I got it to the point where it's working quite happily. And it can maintain that steady state until it tips over and dies, at

Re: [9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?

2013-05-03 Thread erik quanstrom
Disk drive reliability comes and goes with the seasons. For years I only ran Seagate disks, and wouldn't go near WD. Then, after a 30% failure run on 1 year old Seagates, I switched back to WDs, which have been flawless for me. So far. And Hitachi has drifted in and out of the picture

Re: [9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?

2013-05-03 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2013-05-03, at 6:51 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: imho, applying 50 years of experience with spinning hard drives with the relatively new flash memory drive is a suspect comparison. Is it? Cheap SSD seems to break as often as cheap spinny disks. According to everyone's anecdotal stories, at

Re: [9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?

2013-05-03 Thread erik quanstrom
On Fri May 3 17:59:27 EDT 2013, cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote: i have 60GB intel ssd in my new fileserver holding the cwfs worm cache. no problems so far. but the machine is just up for two weeks. as long as we're straying from venti, i'll say that i've used ssds in ken's file server as both

Re: [9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?

2013-05-03 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2013-05-03, at 7:00 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: well clearly, we must lump everything that breaks anecdotally as often in the same catagory, by manufacturer. Exactly. That's where we started this conversation :-)

Re: [9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?

2013-05-03 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 10:00:41PM -0400, erik quanstrom wrote: On 2013-05-03, at 6:51 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: imho, applying 50 years of experience with spinning hard drives with the relatively new flash memory drive is a suspect comparison. Is it? Cheap SSD seems to break as

Re: [9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?

2013-05-03 Thread erik quanstrom
well clearly, we must lump everything that breaks anecdotally as often in the same catagory, by manufacturer. - erik that was the worst haiku I've ever seen oh, now. you give me too much credit. i wasn't even trying. - erik

Re: [9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?

2013-05-03 Thread Steven Stallion
I had originally used a Crucial 32GB SSD years ago and swapped to a 55GB OCZ enterprise drive (using sdahci). More recently I've moved my venti arenas over to plan9port and have switched over to using the entire SSD for fossil. So far this has been faster than running venti natively - though I

Re: [9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?

2013-05-03 Thread cinap_lenrek
cwfs copies the blocks from worm into the cache on read. so the working set is served from the ssd and the ram buffer cache. reading /n/dump would hit the mechanical disk tho. -- cinap

Re: [9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?

2013-05-03 Thread cinap_lenrek
no cats in picture! -- cinap

Re: [9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?

2013-05-03 Thread Charles Forsyth
On 4 May 2013 00:59, Charles Forsyth charles.fors...@gmail.com wrote: I had similar problems with OCZ. I ought to have observed that I bought the drive from Fry's as refurbished, which probably wasn't a good recommendation for a drive that was fairly new.