Re: [9fans] Plan9 and VMs

Prof Brucee wrote: Have you run inst/start after booting from iso? Yes. Follwed the ~usual install procedure. All ok till bootsetup included. Confirmed the "finish" step, unsolicited reboot, restart from .iso Hiding the CD, boot fails saying that there is no OS on the HD. adriano On

Re: [9fans] Plan9 and VMs

Have you run inst/start after booting from iso? On 02/09/2016 12:59 PM, "Adriano Verardo" wrote: Julius Schmidt wrote: > 9front works fine in vmware. I've never had a problem (including a very > recent install at work). > How exactly does it fail in your case? > Install

Re: [9fans] Plan9 and VMs

Julius Schmidt wrote: 9front works fine in vmware. I've never had a problem (including a very recent install at work). How exactly does it fail in your case? Install seem to complete regularly subsequent boots are from the .iso Tried to unlink the .iso, revove the virtal CD etc etc Where is my

Re: [9fans] Plan9 and VMs

Julius Schmidt wrote: 9front works fine in vmware. I've never had a problem (including a very recent install at work). How exactly does it fail in your case? Install seems to finish regularly, but reboot is from the .iso again. Tried to unlink the .iso, as usual on physical boxes etc etc I'm

[9fans] Linker and duplicate symbols

Hi All, I have recently run into a problem when compiling the kernel where the linker complains about duplicate symbols and fails. The symbol is sleep(), which is exported in libc.a but is also exported in another file in port, but with different parameters (both number and type). It's my

Re: [9fans] Musings on Interfaces

What I mean is, all I want to do (tm pjp) is to open a new file by selecting File/Open, as in every other application I use, not type a series of arcane commands into the small window at the top.And then use the Sam command language in the open file. And yes, I'm whining, and yes I have the

Re: [9fans] Musings on Interfaces

9front's sam also has chording, as well as ^B to switch to the command window without reaching for the mouse, which I find very useful. Occasionally I wish for scroll-select but ' and k do the trick, and keep my head in the structure of the document. Travis

Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive

"Unless you count mobile devices, UIs in 2016 still function largely like Windows 95." Oddly, that's not true. Mind you, I've always been a Mac user. But I've recently been spending some time in Excel VBA under Windows 10, and the interface in the editor is still pure Windows 95,and boy does it

Re: [9fans] Musings on Interfaces

Thanks to Brantley for his thoughtful musings. Me, I love many things about Sam, but I just can't use it as my everyday editor. The structural regular expression stuff is a work of genius, but I still find, such are my limitations, that the user interface is just too clunky and retro. On 2

Re: [9fans] Plan9 and VMs

Sorry, just now seeing the Windows part at the end of your email. I've had no issues with VMware. On Thursday, September 1, 2016, Nickolas Peter wrote: > I've had a lot of success with qemu/libvirt on Linux. I have a separate > network on libvirt on its own subnet

Re: [9fans] Plan9 and VMs

I've had a lot of success with qemu/libvirt on Linux. I have a separate network on libvirt on its own subnet with a fs/auth and cpu server that's accessible from the outside (via drawterm). I only had to play with it a little bit to get it working well. It might be quicker and easier with VMWare,

Re: [9fans] Plan9 and VMs

9front works fine in vmware. I've never had a problem (including a very recent install at work). How exactly does it fail in your case? aiju On Thu, 1 Sep 2016, Adriano Verardo wrote: In the last two years I've very little used Plan9. All appls I made for clients work, solved all problem

[9fans] Plan9 and VMs

In the last two years I've very little used Plan9. All appls I made for clients work, solved all problem thanks to 9fans help, clients don't ask for improvements, ... Now I must install Plan9 in a VM. I'm testing VMware, but it is not a constraint. The Bell distro work fine, all others I

Re: [9fans] Musings on Interfaces

On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 7:20 PM, James A. Robinson wrote: > So you couldn't do something like clicking on the start and typing in a > .,// where holds the last few words of the text range you > wanted to select? I understand not having regular markup like a program, > but if

Re: [9fans] Musings on Interfaces

Steve was borrowing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALGOL : C. A. R. Hoare remarked: "Here is a language so far ahead of its time that it was not only an improvement on its predecessors but also on nearly all its successors." (This one is also mostly true. :-) Arnold

Re: [9fans] Musings on Interfaces

Steve Bourne said it about 7th Edition. I just asked him. He also said it turned out to be mostly true. > On Sep 1, 2016, at 12:36 PM, Adriano Verardo wrote: > > Brantley Coile wrote: >> >> I’m very grateful to still be using these tools. It’s a very personal thing

Re: [9fans] Musings on Interfaces

On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 9:05 AM, Mark van Atten wrote: > The one regret I have about sam is that it doesn't do scroll-select. I > write papers rather than programs, and often want to select and > quickly move around large chunks of text whose boundaries are usually > not

Re: [9fans] Musings on Interfaces

Brantley Coile wrote: I’m very grateful to still be using these tools. It’s a very personal thing but for someone who first used 6th Edition Unix, ed and the old shell, and used all the versions of Unix that followed, these tools, both acme and sam, rio and 8 1/2, are an improvement to all

Re: [9fans] Musings on Interfaces

The one regret I have about sam is that it doesn't do scroll-select. I write papers rather than programs, and often want to select and quickly move around large chunks of text whose boundaries are usually not marked syntactically, even though I use LaTeX. On the other hand, I find sam a more

Re: [9fans] Musings on Interfaces

I used to use sam exclusively on my Linux machine. I had to stop after I switched to Mac OS X many years ago. A few years later I picked up acme, and have been using it since. I also find that, for some reason I can't explain, I have rarely reached for the Edit X// command in a scratch window.

Re: [9fans] Musings on Interfaces

Yesterday someone asked me how come the two 24" monitors on my desk @ work were turned off and I was using the laptop exclusively. Apart from having to be in meetings, the main reason is that acme on a hires "retina" display is more than good enough for programming. I still switch to vi for

[9fans] Musings on Interfaces

I think I’ve been a member of 9fans for its entire history. The earliest saved 9fans email in my /mail/box/bwc is dated 2001. But most of the time I have not said much. Given that the list isn’t very busy these days, and that I’m doing a lot of thinking about Plan 9, I thought I would post some

Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive

"the internet has a long memory" for the record: for the last ~20 years on 9fans and during the few iwp9s I could join, I've always received helpful answers and insights. Thanks to everybody who could help! (Richard, Skip, Charles, Brucee, Brantley too many to list.) I plan to stay for the next

Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive

Personally, I don't use Plan9, or even p9p, to get stuff done. I just like to look at the code from time to time. I'm with Carmack on Plan9 circa 1997: " It has an achingly elegant internal structure, but a user interface that has been asleep for the past decade." Add a couple of decades to that.