Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front)

2024-05-11 Thread Jacob Moody
I've gone ahead and made a repository[0] for an up to date fossil* for 9front. I didn't have to do more then clone the 4e repository, apply the 9legacy patches and type mk. Took all of 10 minutes. Testing is left as an exercise for the reader. * No warranty given or implied. [0]

Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front)

2024-05-11 Thread vic . thacker
Perhaps adopting this mindset could be beneficial. When developing a feature, it's worth considering its potential for portability and usefulness to other communities. Vic On Sun, May 12, 2024, at 07:27, hiro wrote: > just send the code then > > On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 12:22 AM wrote: >> >>

Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front)

2024-05-11 Thread hiro
just send the code then On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 12:22 AM wrote: > > Let me explain my intent and elaborate on my point of view. I started a new > thread to enhance the signal-to-noise ratio. It's easy for a thread to become > cluttered with multiple issues, so I believe creating separate

Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front)

2024-05-11 Thread vic . thacker
Let me explain my intent and elaborate on my point of view. I started a new thread to enhance the signal-to-noise ratio. It's easy for a thread to become cluttered with multiple issues, so I believe creating separate threads for distinct concerns helps streamline communication and keeps

Re: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front

2024-05-11 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
Sorry, that was just a courtesy. But don't worry I'll name it after you and another comedic hero Don Rickles. On Sat, May 11, 2024, 2:05 PM hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > i do mind. please do not. but thanks for this medium-to-low-quality > trolling attempt. > > On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 11:00 

Re: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front

2024-05-11 Thread hiro
i do mind. please do not. but thanks for this medium-to-low-quality trolling attempt. On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 11:00 PM Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > > Hiro, I hope you don't mind if I use your correspondence on 9fans to train a > very annoying LLM. > > On Sat, May 11, 2024, 1:30 PM hiro

Re: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front

2024-05-11 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
Hiro, I hope you don't mind if I use your correspondence on 9fans to train a very annoying LLM. On Sat, May 11, 2024, 1:30 PM hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hey! It's a nice day out. A bit chilly with some wind, but sunny. I > > don't know about you, but I'm going fishing. > > oh, i guess

Re: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front

2024-05-11 Thread hiro
> Hey! It's a nice day out. A bit chilly with some wind, but sunny. I > don't know about you, but I'm going fishing. oh, i guess you are not Fish? i confused you. why are you speaking for Fish though, it's his decision to put it into 9legacy, no? -- 9fans:

Re: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front

2024-05-11 Thread Dan Cross
On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 4:17 PM Jacob Moody wrote: > On 5/11/24 14:59, Dan Cross wrote: > > On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 3:36 PM hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> explanation of dp9ik, which while useful, only > >>> addresses what (I believe) Richard was referring to in passing, simply > >>> noting

Re: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front

2024-05-11 Thread Jacob Moody
On 5/11/24 14:59, Dan Cross wrote: > On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 3:36 PM hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> explanation of dp9ik, which while useful, only >>> addresses what (I believe) Richard was referring to in passing, simply >>> noting the small key size of DES and how the shared secret is >>>

Re: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front

2024-05-11 Thread Dan Cross
On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 4:05 PM hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > are you discontinuing 9legacy? I'm not doing anything, just explaining why it hasn't happened. Hey! It's a nice day out. A bit chilly with some wind, but sunny. I don't know about you, but I'm going fishing. - Dan C.

Re: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front

2024-05-11 Thread hiro
are you discontinuing 9legacy? On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 10:01 PM Dan Cross wrote: > > On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 3:52 PM hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > > it's YOUR fork, why aren't you doing it? > > For a simple reason: time. > > The work to integrate it in isn't technically that difficult, but >

Re: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front

2024-05-11 Thread Dan Cross
On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 3:52 PM hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > it's YOUR fork, why aren't you doing it? For a simple reason: time. The work to integrate it in isn't technically that difficult, but requires time, which is always in short supply. - Dan C. > On Sat, May 11, 2024 at

Re: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front

2024-05-11 Thread Dan Cross
On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 3:36 PM hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > > explanation of dp9ik, which while useful, only > > addresses what (I believe) Richard was referring to in passing, simply > > noting the small key size of DES and how the shared secret is > > vulnerable to dictionary attacks. > > i

Re: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front

2024-05-11 Thread hiro
it's YOUR fork, why aren't you doing it? On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 11:47 AM David du Colombier <0in...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I'd be very pleased if someone could port the > dp9ik authentication protocol to 9legacy. > > -- > David du Colombier -- 9fans:

Re: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front

2024-05-11 Thread hiro
> explanation of dp9ik, which while useful, only > addresses what (I believe) Richard was referring to in passing, simply > noting the small key size of DES and how the shared secret is > vulnerable to dictionary attacks. i don't remember what richard was mentioning, but the small key size wasn't

Re: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front

2024-05-11 Thread Dan Cross
On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 2:26 PM hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 12:59 PM Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote: > > > From: o...@eigenstate.org > > > ... > > > keep in mind that it can literally be brute forced in an > > > afternoon by a teenager[1][2]; even a gpu

Re: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front

2024-05-11 Thread hiro
On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 12:59 PM Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote: > > From: o...@eigenstate.org > > ... > > keep in mind that it can literally be brute forced in an > > afternoon by a teenager[1][2]; even a gpu isn't needed to do > > this in a reasonable amount of time.[1] > > [citation

Re: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front

2024-05-11 Thread hiro
> I suspect no-one wanted to maintain it (in 9front) I think you meant: I suspect no-one wanted to maintain it. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tde2ca2adda383a3a-Mc64391ded8c1eeadfa19aa14 Delivery options:

Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front)

2024-05-11 Thread hiro
congrats for teaching the bot to create more email threads with new subjects. just what we need as a community. On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 4:55 PM Lucio De Re wrote: > > I guess we're on the same page, right up and including the fist fight(s). But > I think we are all entitled to be treated more

Re: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front

2024-05-11 Thread David du Colombier
I'd be very pleased if someone could port the dp9ik authentication protocol to 9legacy. -- David du Colombier -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tde2ca2adda383a3a-Md268ebc03be7431c29cb1d30 Delivery options: