Re: [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely

2011-02-03 Thread David Leimbach
On Wednesday, February 2, 2011, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: It is a C/C++/Obj-C compiler does static analysis, has backends for multiple processor types as well as C as a target, a lot of optimization tricks etc.  See llvm.org.  But frankly, I think they have lost the plot. C

Re: [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely

2011-02-02 Thread David Leimbach
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 9:14 PM, smi...@zenzebra.mv.com wrote: ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com writes: I think you should set your sights higher than the macro approach you propose. At least in my opinion it's a really ugly idea. You might be surprised to hear that I agree. :) It's far

Re: [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely

2011-02-02 Thread David Leimbach
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 11:35 PM, Nick LaForge nicklafo...@gmail.com wrote: I hope it won't seem rude to suggest it, but the go-nuts list is the optimum place for your specific concerns. The Go authors read it and are very conscientious in responding to serious questions. The Go authors did

Re: [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely

2011-02-02 Thread David Leimbach
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 4:54 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.netwrote: There was some mention that, during the history of Plan 9, developers had difficulty maintaining two different languages on the system. I wonder how much of that difficulty would still apply today. Although the

Re: [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely

2011-02-02 Thread David Leimbach
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 9:50 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.netwrote: Even C has a runtime. Perhaps you should look more into how programming languages are implemented :-). C++ has one too, especially in the wake of exceptions and such. really? what do you consider to be the c

Re: [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely

2011-02-02 Thread David Leimbach
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:07 AM, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 02, 2011 at 09:47:01AM -0800, David Leimbach wrote: Wait, isn't it the proof is in the *pudding*? YOU MEAN WE DON'T GET FRENCH BENEFITS!?! Please explain. I was just pointing out something that happens a lot

Re: [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely

2011-02-02 Thread David Leimbach
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:03 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@labs.coraid.comwrote: Where did your C compiler come from? Someone probably compiled it with a C compiler. Bootstrapping is a fact of life as a new compiler can't just be culled from /dev/random or willed into existence otherwise.

Re: [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely

2011-02-02 Thread David Leimbach
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:21 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.netwrote: A runtime system is just a library whose entry points are language keywords.[1] In go, dynamic allocation, threads, channels, etc. are accessed via language features, so the libraries that implement those things

Re: [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely

2011-02-02 Thread David Leimbach
On Wednesday, February 2, 2011, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: Also, from this point of view, could pthreads be considered runtime for C? no.  then every library/os function ever bolted onto c would be part of the c runtime.  clearly this isn't the case and pthreads are not

Re: [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely

2011-02-02 Thread David Leimbach
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Bakul Shah bakul+pl...@bitblocks.combakul%2bpl...@bitblocks.com wrote: On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 00:52:35 GMT Charles Forsyth fors...@terzarima.net wrote: $ size /usr/local/bin/clang textdata bss dec hex filename 228428621023204

Re: [9fans] plan9 compatible notebook

2011-01-25 Thread David Leimbach
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Gorka Guardiola pau...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:56 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: this fix may also help those who had trouble with some disk sizes in virtualbox. I am using the regular kernel in virtualbox without a

Re: [9fans] plan9 go output faults on 9vx with rfork

2011-01-20 Thread David Leimbach
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 10:59 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: OK, Pavel sent me a nice piece of code that implements cmpswap using a gcc trick. I did not want to use the trick for a few reasons, and thought to use futex instead, as it seemed appropriate. Weirdly enough, I can not

Re: [9fans] uncommon sights

2011-01-20 Thread David Leimbach
yeah it's so easy to make screenshots :-) On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 11:54 AM, andrey mirtchovski mirtchov...@gmail.comwrote: pics or it didn't happen :) On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Stanley Lieber stanley.lie...@gmail.com wrote: PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE WAIT

Re: [9fans] Plan9 topology

2011-01-13 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Duke Normandin dukeofp...@ml1.net wrote: Just read: http://lsub.org/magic/man2html/1/0intro [quote] Plan 9 is a distributed computing environment assembled from separate machines acting as terminals, CPU servers, and file servers.[/quote] Does the above

Re: [9fans] fs performance

2011-01-10 Thread David Leimbach
On Sunday, January 9, 2011, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Bakul Shah bakul+pl...@bitblocks.com wrote: I didn't say plan9 suffers. Merely that one has to look at other aspects as well (implying putting in Tstream may not make a huge difference). well,

Re: [9fans] Streaming 9P is out

2011-01-08 Thread David Leimbach
Awesome! On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:24 PM, John Floren slawmas...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, now that the thesis is signed, I feel ready to release my work on streaming for 9P, as outlined in my talk at IWP9; things have changed a lot since that talk, but the general idea remains the same. The

Re: [9fans] mooo ...

2010-12-16 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 9:31 AM, EBo e...@sandien.com wrote: On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 04:20:58 +1100, Bruce Ellis wrote: casella digital media. first big test is on sunday for the bon jovi debacle. i might have to be there with a digitical scope and logic analyzer. rather not - it's my birthday

Re: [9fans] Anyone using p9p or Plan 9 venti as a more generic backup system?

2010-11-22 Thread David Leimbach
Seems a very logical way to go. On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Latchesar Ionkov lu...@ionkov.net wrote: I send the venti scores to my email account and burn them on the DVDs with the arenas. Lucho On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 9:51 AM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: I'm giving

Re: [9fans] p9p venti sync?

2010-11-17 Thread David Leimbach
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 6:36 AM, Russ Cox r...@swtch.com wrote: % venti/venti 2010/1116 20:44:14 venti: conf...2010/1116 20:44:14 err 4: read /Users/dave/venti/disks/bloom offset 0x0 count 65536 buf 380 returned 65536: No such file or directory A read of 65536 returning 65536 should

[9fans] Anyone using p9p or Plan 9 venti as a more generic backup system?

2010-11-17 Thread David Leimbach
I'm giving consideration to maintaining a venti-based setup for my house for all the digital media we have (since getting our Apple TV, we've had more stuff to stream around the house). I've just now started playing with things like vac/unvac, to backup and extract trees of my HFS+ file system

Re: [9fans] Anyone using p9p or Plan 9 venti as a more generic backup system?

2010-11-17 Thread David Leimbach
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 9:14 AM, Venkatesh Srinivas m...@acm.jhu.edu wrote: On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 11:51 AM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: I'm giving consideration to maintaining a venti-based setup for my house for all the digital media we have (since getting our Apple TV

Re: [9fans] Anyone using p9p or Plan 9 venti as a more generic backup system?

2010-11-17 Thread David Leimbach
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 9:23 AM, dexen deVries dexen.devr...@gmail.comwrote: On Wednesday 17 November 2010 18:14:35 Venkatesh Srinivas wrote: (...) I'd be very careful with vac -m and -a on Unix; both have been at the root of considerable data-loss on a unix venti for me. I'd recommend

[9fans] p9p venti sync?

2010-11-16 Thread David Leimbach
I'm trying to figure out how to correctly sync a plan9port venti instance so I can start it back up again and have it actually function :-). using venti/sync doesn't appear to get the job done... Dave

Re: [9fans] p9p venti sync?

2010-11-16 Thread David Leimbach
On Tuesday, November 16, 2010, Russ Cox r...@swtch.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 5:43 PM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: I'm trying to figure out how to correctly sync a plan9port venti instance so I can start it back up again and have it actually function :-). using venti/sync

Re: [9fans] p9p venti sync?

2010-11-16 Thread David Leimbach
Could sparse files be an issue? Bloom always shows up wrong when I restart. On Tuesday, November 16, 2010, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, November 16, 2010, Russ Cox r...@swtch.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 5:43 PM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: I'm trying

Re: [9fans] p9p venti sync?

2010-11-16 Thread David Leimbach
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 8:09 PM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: Could sparse files be an issue? Bloom always shows up wrong when I restart. Nope... Didn't make a difference it seems. I recreated my venti setup, and it starts ok. I do a vac and an unvac, then kill it and restart

Re: [9fans] p9p venti sync?

2010-11-16 Thread David Leimbach
I'll try without the bloom filter. Now it's working... I probably don't need this enhancement anyway, but at least it appears to be working now. Unvac of a previously generated score is working fine. Dave On Tuesday, November 16, 2010, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote

[9fans] contrib/install fgb/X11?

2010-11-15 Thread David Leimbach
Anyone else having trouble getting equis installed via contrib/install? I tried to do this this morning, as I was interested in giving cinap_lenrek's dillo rc bundle a spin, and figured I needed X11 for that, but it might already be there (it's failing). X11 didn't succeed in installing, and it

Re: [9fans] 9p vs http

2010-11-15 Thread David Leimbach
On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 7:25 PM, Sam Watkins s...@nipl.net wrote: hi, I am wondering what you think about the capabilities of 9p compared to http/1.1. Perhaps this seems like an odd comparison, but I think 9p and http are broadly similar in purpose and functionality. While writing a

Re: [9fans] another type of static linking: send all the shared libraries with the program!

2010-11-15 Thread David Leimbach
On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Jeff Sickel j...@corpus-callosum.comwrote: On Nov 13, 2010, at 5:14 PM, David Leimbach wrote: Isn't this what Apple does recommend you do with application bundles? Ship the whole directory (.app) with all requisite frameworks and libs? That's

Re: [9fans] 9p vs http

2010-11-15 Thread David Leimbach
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 7:55 AM, Venkatesh Srinivas m...@acm.jhu.edu wrote: Under certain situations, 9p can do some forms of pipelining. The tagged requests don't have to be waited on in order, for the next outgoing request to be sent, unless there's a dependency of one completing before

Re: [9fans] contrib/install fgb/X11?

2010-11-15 Thread David Leimbach
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 8:01 AM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: the contrib tools are based on replica and in my experience that makes them slow and fragile. You might want to give the 9pm stuff I did a try. It works,it's far faster, and they're trivial shell scripts that are easy to

Re: [9fans] contrib/install fgb/X11?

2010-11-15 Thread David Leimbach
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 8:04 AM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 8:01 AM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: the contrib tools are based on replica and in my experience that makes them slow and fragile. You might want to give the 9pm stuff I did a try

Re: [9fans] contrib/install fgb/X11?

2010-11-15 Thread David Leimbach
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 8:17 AM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 8:12 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.netwrote: I've been thinking there might be a way for me to contribute to contrib here with failure cleanup, once I get a good handle on how it all

Re: [9fans] contrib/install fgb/X11?

2010-11-15 Thread David Leimbach
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Stanley Lieber stanley.lie...@gmail.comwrote: For what it's worth, I installed equis via contrib/install about a week ago and it worked. Slow, but everything installed and I was able to use it. Thanks for that feedback. I'm having some issues with it not

Re: [9fans] contrib/install fgb/X11?

2010-11-15 Thread David Leimbach
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 8:24 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.netwrote: having very strange behavior of /tmp after a failed contrib/install. sounds like magic. what is the behavior? getting clone failed when doing ls from a cwd of /tmp. I ended up just firing up another ramfs to move

Re: [9fans] contrib/install fgb/X11?

2010-11-15 Thread David Leimbach
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 8:27 AM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 8:24 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.netwrote: having very strange behavior of /tmp after a failed contrib/install. sounds like magic. what is the behavior? getting clone failed when

Re: [9fans] contrib/install fgb/X11?

2010-11-15 Thread David Leimbach
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 10:34 AM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 8:46 AM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 8:36 AM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: Ah now we're failing again: error: copying /386/bin/X11/equis: '/n

Re: [9fans] contrib/install fgb/X11?

2010-11-15 Thread David Leimbach
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Yaroslav yari...@gmail.com wrote: error: copying /386/bin/X11/equis: '/n/dist/386/bin' does not exist error: copying /386/bin/X11/twm: '/n/dist/386/bin' does not exist error: copying /386/bin/X11/xclock: '/n/dist/386/bin' does not exist error: copying

Re: [9fans] contrib/install fgb/X11?

2010-11-15 Thread David Leimbach
benave...@gmail.com wrote: the easiest way to reinstall is % contrib/install -f usr/pkg On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 6:52 PM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Yaroslav yari...@gmail.com wrote: error: copying /386/bin/X11/equis: '/n/dist/386

Re: [9fans] contrib/install fgb/X11?

2010-11-15 Thread David Leimbach
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 3:42 PM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Federico G. Benavento benave...@gmail.com wrote: also it shouldn't take that long... if you have the latest contrib tools what happens it's this: it first fcp's an iso.bz2 to your

Re: [9fans] contrib/install fgb/X11?

2010-11-15 Thread David Leimbach
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 3:45 PM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 3:42 PM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Federico G. Benavento benave...@gmail.com wrote: also it shouldn't take that long... if you have the latest

Re: [9fans] contrib/install fgb/X11?

2010-11-15 Thread David Leimbach
not implemented segbrk failed in munmap: device or object already in usecpu% On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 1:47 AM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 4:59 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Federico G. Benavento benave

Re: [9fans] webfs + mozilla

2010-11-13 Thread David Leimbach
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 12:56 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.netwrote: In longer terms, I'd also replace mozilla's handling of other protocols, eg. ftp, by an webfs implementation. What do you think about this ? webfs is client side, not server side. - erik I must confess, I

Re: [9fans] another type of static linking: send all the shared libraries with the program!

2010-11-13 Thread David Leimbach
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 11:21 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: I can't help it, this one struck me as quite funny, after all the shared library discussions we've had on this list. A Stanford researcher, Philip Guo, has developed a tool called CDE to automatically package up a Linux

Re: [9fans] another type of static linking: send all the shared libraries with the program!

2010-11-13 Thread David Leimbach
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 11:37 PM, Federico G. Benavento benave...@gmail.com wrote: cinap did years ago for linux emu http://9hal.ath.cx/usr/cinap_lenrek/lbun/mklbun which packages linuxemu, the linux exec you want and the required libs all in an rc bundle that you can execute as a regular

Re: [9fans] p9p factotum available for plan 9

2010-11-12 Thread David Leimbach
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 1:07 AM, EBo e...@sandien.com wrote: Does anyone use 9P2000.u anymore? Can we just remove it from the p9p tree? Last summer when I was banging my head against the bug in alloctree I got it all to work when I removed 9P2000.u and some other stuff from lib9p/srv.c.

Re: [9fans] dvips(1) for Plan9: done

2010-11-09 Thread David Leimbach
That's really great! Thank you for sharing! Just wondering if you'd tried ConTeXt on it (I believe it should work as I think it's also macros like LaTeX is on top of TeX). Dave On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 8:06 AM, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote: And I have forgotten the links:

Re: [9fans] VMware resolution 1024?

2010-11-09 Thread David Leimbach
It's not a solution to your problem, but what I typically like to do for a console these days is use either 9vx or drawterm, and then setup VMWare as a CPU/FS server. Dave On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Don Bailey don.bai...@gmail.com wrote: Am I missing something? VMware used to have better

Re: [9fans] p9p factotum available for plan 9

2010-11-09 Thread David Leimbach
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 7:37 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.netwrote: On Wed Nov 3 17:15:36 EDT 2010, quans...@quanstro.net wrote: contrib/install quanstro/nfactotum imap/smtpd passwd and cram and are untested. imap4d with a password (which uses cram) now works. imap4d with

[9fans] anyone else having difficulty booting kw today?

2010-11-05 Thread David Leimbach
I just did a pull and a recompile. The kernel boots to the point where it wants to get the root. I tell it the same root server I used before the rebuild, and the prompt comes back again asking for the root. Any thoughts on where I should look? usb/hub... root is from (tcp)[tcp]: 192.168.1.250

Re: [9fans] anyone else having difficulty booting kw today?

2010-11-05 Thread David Leimbach
OOPS dumb mistake on my part... I should have just pressed enter there. I really ought to script that. On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 9:41 AM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: I just did a pull and a recompile. The kernel boots to the point where it wants to get the root. I tell it the same

Re: [9fans] Plan9 development

2010-11-05 Thread David Leimbach
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 10:32 AM, dexen deVries dexen.devr...@gmail.comwrote: On Friday 05 of November 2010 18:18:44 Nick LaForge wrote: A honest question: what is the rationale for merging functionality of make and shell into one? Use your imagination Tried, failed. To me, make

Re: [9fans] we all hava a secret life...

2010-11-04 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 8:13 AM, Gorka Guardiola pau...@gmail.com wrote: I got spam today anouncing Richard Miller PhD at Yoga yoga... :-) http://www.yogayoga.com/special-events/special-topics-richard-miller -- - curiosity sKilled the cat I've been getting more creative spams lately too.

Re: [9fans] Plan9 development

2010-11-04 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 2:36 AM, Admiral Fukov admiralfu...@gmail.comwrote: I'm looking at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/plan9/sys/src/ and I noticed that most of the distribution hasn't been updated in years. Is the development of plan 9 abandoned? There's a plan9changes google

Re: [9fans] glean

2010-11-04 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Steve Simon st...@quintile.net wrote: New toy if anyone is interested, a bit of fun really. glean - a network reconnaissance tool. listens to your ethernet, parses NetBIOS and DHCP requests, mounts itself on /lib/ndb/gleaned which is an ndb(6) file of what

Re: [9fans] Plan9 development

2010-11-04 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:00 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.netwrote: On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 2:36 AM, Admiral Fukov admiralfu...@gmail.com wrote: I'm looking at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/plan9/sys/src/ and I noticed that most of the distribution hasn't been

[9fans] T/RStream?

2010-11-02 Thread David Leimbach
Is there anywhere to go see the work in progress for this? If I can't see the work can we at least talk about the encoding of TStream and RStream? I could see wanting to work this into the user space implementations of 9P that exist for various programming languages. Dave

[9fans] Preferred ARM platform?

2010-11-02 Thread David Leimbach
I've been having a pretty good experience with the Guruplug with Plan 9 (I have the standard model that doesn't overheat so far and only one Gb ethernet), thanks to the efforts of the Plan 9 and Inferno communities. Unless I read incorrectly, the Beagleboard platforms are easier to work with for

Re: [9fans] T/RStream?

2010-11-02 Thread David Leimbach
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:19 AM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 7:41 AM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: I could see wanting to work this into the user space implementations of 9P that exist for various programming languages. Andrey did work

Re: [9fans] A little more ado about async Tclunk

2010-10-29 Thread David Leimbach
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Charles Forsyth fors...@terzarima.netwrote: things up with standard (as opposed to synthetic) file systems? why should a synthetic file system (actually they are all synthetic, i think) be considered not standard? i thought file systems were the common

Re: [9fans] A little more ado about async Tclunk

2010-10-29 Thread David Leimbach
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Charles Forsyth fors...@terzarima.netwrote: I think functional programming or at least category theory gets you into these upper level abstract ways of thinking uh oh. is there an analogy to Godwin's Law for mentioning category theory? I hope not... I'm

Re: [9fans] A little more ado about async Tclunk

2010-10-29 Thread David Leimbach
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:17 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@labs.coraid.comwrote: On Fri Oct 29 13:15:45 EDT 2010, fors...@terzarima.net wrote: Let's try to define 'decent' for this thread -- a decent fileserver is one on which close()s do not have any client-visible or semantic effect

Re: [9fans] A little more ado about async Tclunk

2010-10-29 Thread David Leimbach
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:26 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.netwrote: Category Theory really doesn't say too much in general, but oddly enough it applies nicely to computer science. What's that mean? :-) that they're both abstract nonsense. - erik Yeah... the most fun I had

Re: [9fans] A little more ado about async Tclunk

2010-10-29 Thread David Leimbach
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Gorka Guardiola pau...@gmail.com wrote: Let's try to define 'decent' for this thread -- a decent fileserver is one on which close()s do not have any client-visible or semantic effect other than to invalidate the Fid that was passed to them. Lets see how

Re: [9fans] kw audio -- /dev/audio and friends

2010-10-27 Thread David Leimbach
It seems like that would be a reasonable approach, to translate one older interface to the next, if needed, as a compatibility FS. In fact, one such compatibility FS could serve several translations. The best way to deal is to force everyone to update now, or cease functioning, in my opinion.

Re: [9fans] fOSSa

2010-10-26 Thread David Leimbach
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:57 AM, Charles Forsyth fors...@terzarima.netwrote: http://reflex.gforge.inria.fr/ that's certainly remarkable. I think my wrists seized up just thinking about programming in XML.

Re: [9fans] fOSSa

2010-10-26 Thread David Leimbach
2010/10/26 ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com Design : Philippe Poulard Development : Philippe Poulard Documentation : Philippe Poulard Tests : Philippe Poulard Web site : Philippe Poulard Logo : Philippe Poulard Packaging : Philippe Poulard Manager : Philippe Poulard So. Who are those

Re: [9fans] Why not work for a company based on Plan 9?

2010-10-25 Thread David Leimbach
Brantley, I'm asking publicly because I'm betting it's a FAQ. Do you consider remote employees as a possibility, or do you require relocation? Dave On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 7:15 AM, Brantley Coile brant...@coraid.com wrote: hi guys, as most on this list know, coraid makes storage devices

Re: [9fans] Why not work for a company based on Plan 9?

2010-10-25 Thread David Leimbach
That's actually not an answer but whatever... I guess I don't actually care. On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Brantley Coile brant...@coraid.com wrote: the positions are in redwood city, ca and athens, ga. On Oct 25, 2010, at 11:17 AM, David Leimbach wrote: Brantley, I'm asking

Re: [9fans] Why not work for a company based on Plan 9?

2010-10-25 Thread David Leimbach
with your business. Dave On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Brantley Coile brant...@coraid.com wrote: i'm sorry. those who are not in silicon valley or northeast georgia will have to relocate. On Oct 25, 2010, at 11:30 AM, David Leimbach wrote: That's actually not an answer but whatever

Re: [9fans] Why not work for a company based on Plan 9?

2010-10-25 Thread David Leimbach
the gentlemanly ways of dennis ritchie. brantley On Oct 25, 2010, at 11:55 AM, David Leimbach wrote: Thank you for answering the question. Let me explain my point of view on the exchange. I worked for a company in Birmingham AL for about 6 years from Seattle. I had Birmingham insurance

Re: [9fans] Fifth Edition

2010-10-19 Thread David Leimbach
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:19 AM, Lucio De Re lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:02:22AM +, Mark Tuson wrote: Steve, would you be willing to share copies of the demo discs? Which architecture do they use? I just want to play with something ancient as well as

Re: [9fans] drawterm fork for iOS

2010-10-16 Thread David Leimbach
I didn't even know this existed! I can add this to my guruplug vmware setup. Very cool! On Saturday, October 16, 2010, Jeff Sickel j...@corpus-callosum.com wrote: I've forked Russ' drawterm on bitbucket.org in order to get Andre's GSOC iPhone/iOS port up.  You can find the fork:        

Re: [9fans] πp

2010-10-15 Thread David Leimbach
2010/10/14 Latchesar Ionkov lu...@ionkov.net It can't be dealt with the current protocol. It doesn't guarantee that Topen will be executed once Twalk is done. So can get Rerrors even if Twalk succeeds. It can be dealt with if the scheduling of the pipeline is done properly. You just have to

Re: [9fans] πp

2010-10-15 Thread David Leimbach
2010/10/15 Sape Mullender s...@plan9.bell-labs.com Are we talking about πP or 9P? It's about both. I was just curious about how 9P was deficient in terms of pipelining. It might not be optimal for all cases of pipelining, but the protocol seems to support it in certain cases just fine. ΠP

Re: [9fans] πp

2010-10-15 Thread David Leimbach
to group requests to retain the idea that a bunch of requests have some meaning as a whole. 2010/10/15 David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com: 2010/10/14 Latchesar Ionkov lu...@ionkov.net It can't be dealt with the current protocol. It doesn't guarantee that Topen will be executed once

Re: [9fans] πp

2010-10-15 Thread David Leimbach
CPUs have big caches to move the code closer to the data (well a copy of the data anyway). Closeness in general is good, the question is what to move and how :-) Dave 2010/10/15 Julius Schmidt a...@phicode.de Perhaps I'm getting this all wrong, but to me this seems like an interesting idea,

Re: [9fans] some group photos

2010-10-14 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 12:49 AM, Axel Belinfante axel.belinfa...@cs.utwente.nl wrote: On Oct 14, 2010, at 9:32 , David du Colombier wrote: And many thanks to ericvh that allowed people like me, who could not afford the trip, to attend every talk through livestream.com. It was a lot of

[9fans] wiki down?

2010-10-13 Thread David Leimbach
http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki I get Object not found

Re: [9fans] wiki down?

2010-10-13 Thread David Leimbach
Ah... alright. On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Jacob Todd jaketodd...@gmail.com wrote: Iirc eric made something to report these things to the correct people. There's a group called 9nag on google groups that it uses.

Re: [9fans] πp

2010-10-13 Thread David Leimbach
I guess I do not understand how 9p doesn't support pipelining. All requests are tagged and can be dealt with between client and server in any order right? On Wednesday, October 13, 2010, Eric Van Hensbergen eri...@gmail.com wrote: For folks interested in more info on the πp portion of Noah's

Re: [9fans] πp

2010-10-13 Thread David Leimbach
2010/10/13 roger peppe rogpe...@gmail.com 2010/10/13 David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com: I guess I do not understand how 9p doesn't support pipelining. All requests are tagged and can be dealt with between client and server in any order right? two issues (at least): 1) concurrently

Re: [9fans] amd64 port

2010-10-13 Thread David Leimbach
Plan 9'on ARM makes a lot of sense to me. I still think x86 is worthwhile though. On Wednesday, October 13, 2010, John Floren slawmas...@gmail.com wrote: I've consumed the Kool-Aid and now believe that ARM is the proper future for Plan 9. With Gumstix, you can get USB, DVI, audio, storage,

Re: [9fans] So, why Plan 9?

2010-10-12 Thread David Leimbach
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 1:51 AM, Max E maxxed...@comcast.net wrote: If I recall correctly, Ape is a complete POSIX implementation including Bourne shell, C libraries, etc. I think there are also ports of some of the GNU extended utilities as well. Not to mention you can get firefox to run

Re: [9fans] beagleboard

2010-10-12 Thread David Leimbach
My latest solution was to run a Plan 9 VM and use it :-). But no :-( On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 2:43 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: /sys/src/9/beagle I think it works but have not run it for some time. On this note ... anybody figured out FTDI and OSX? I have no serial to my ARMs

Re: [9fans] IWP9 Schedule?

2010-10-11 Thread David Leimbach
On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 8:22 AM, Eric Van Hensbergen eri...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 10:31 PM, andrey mirtchovski mirtchov...@gmail.com wrote: let me know when the live streaming starts. don't want to miss any of the joke made at my expense :P being as its live, it should

Re: [9fans] live streaming?

2010-10-11 Thread David Leimbach
Yeah it looks great now. On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 1:24 PM, andrey mirtchovski mirtchov...@gmail.comwrote: i found the video on demand working fine after people had dispersed for the lunch break. On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Steve Simon st...@quintile.net wrote: unwatchable here too

Re: [9fans] iwp9 registration

2010-09-29 Thread David Leimbach
Gah! I totally forgot. What's the site again? I'm finding some lsub sites when I google, but I don't think it's up today. Dave On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:45 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.netwrote: today is officially the last day for iwp9 registration. i'm going to extend that one

Re: [9fans] sheeva

2010-09-25 Thread David Leimbach
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:39 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 1:32 PM, fge...@gmail.com wrote: You are probably interested in plan9 related issues, but you might be interested in this as well: if you run cpu intensive stuff, the plug will get hot. My plug

Re: [9fans] cifsd

2010-09-22 Thread David Leimbach
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Akshat aku...@mail.nanosouffle.net wrote: Just for the official record: cifsd works perfectly fine with Windows 7. Cinap's approach to the problem of packet-based protocols is elegant, efficient, and through the invent of printf-alike functions, fits well with

Re: [9fans] Buying a Guru Plug. Do I want/need the JTAG module too?

2010-09-10 Thread David Leimbach
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 3:05 AM, Gorka Guardiola pau...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 12:43 AM, Paul Lalonde paul.a.lalo...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to run it as a household control server, notwithstanding various teething pains/devices. If I fail too badly, I can probably

Re: [9fans] anonymous pro -- a programming font

2010-09-08 Thread David Leimbach
Been using this with all my Terminals on Mac OS X for the last week. It's nice :-) On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 12:56 PM, andrey mirtchovski mirtchov...@gmail.comwrote: seems to fit nicely with acme and rio. looks better antialiased than not. let me know if you want it in size 14, of use ttf2subf

Re: [9fans] plan 9 on the guruplug

2010-08-31 Thread David Leimbach
mnt srv dup rtc arch ssl tls cap kprof aoe sd flash # pnp pci ether netif ip arp chandial ip ipv6 ipaux iproute netlog nullmedium pktmedium ptclbsum inferno ## draw screen vga vgax ## mouse mouse ## vga # kbmap ## kbin uart usb On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:52 PM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com

Re: [9fans] plan 9 on the guruplug

2010-08-31 Thread David Leimbach
: unknown ktrace /kernel/path 0x60806f14 0x6099ff50 0x6099ff8d # pc, sp, linkion refused panic: boot process died: unknown cpu0: exiting reset! On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:43 PM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: The part that confuses me right now is the following set of comments

Re: [9fans] plan 9 on the guruplug

2010-08-31 Thread David Leimbach
Ok, now I can't remember what I just did, but it's working. On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:59 PM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: I found something on a french Plan 9 translation site about dd'ing my nvram from my PC to a file in /sys/src/9/kw then building. This seems to have gotten

Re: [9fans] plan 9 on the guruplug

2010-08-31 Thread David Leimbach
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 6:07 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.netwrote: On Tue Aug 31 03:27:52 EDT 2010, leim...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, now I can't remember what I just did, but it's working. On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:59 PM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: I found

Re: [9fans] how to lock cpu console

2010-08-31 Thread David Leimbach
In short. Physical access trumps all other locking mechanisms anyway. CPU servers were not meant to be workstations, and the lack of a screen lock shows that. But then workstations are easily stolen. 2 were taken from the building where I work in the last weeks at a law firm office (we share

[9fans] LLVM for plan 9?

2010-08-31 Thread David Leimbach
I've seen a little bit of information about trying to go to LLVM for Inferno, and getting LLVM on Plan 9 natively (feasibility anyway), and I was wondering if there's any official projects chasing this in earnest? Now that I've got an ARM and an x86 plan 9 instance up, I might have some time, but

Re: [9fans] plan 9 on the guruplug

2010-08-31 Thread David Leimbach
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 11:19 AM, David du Colombier 0in...@gmail.comwrote: Looking over my notes it appears the only thing I had to do to prevent the crash was enable my fossil FS's listening capabilities. Now the guruplug gets a kernel and an FS every time. Yes, if you don't make

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