Re: [9fans] LLVM for plan 9?

2010-08-31 Thread David Leimbach
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:10:42 -0700, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: I've seen a little bit of information about trying to go to LLVM for Inferno, and getting LLVM on Plan 9 natively (feasibility anyway), and I was wondering if there's any official projects chasing this in earnest

Re: [9fans] LLVM for plan 9?

2010-08-31 Thread David Leimbach
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Bakul Shah bakul+pl...@bitblocks.combakul%2bpl...@bitblocks.com wrote: On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 14:03:41 PDT David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Ori Bernstein o...@eigenstate.org wrote: LLVM is written in C++, so you'd need C

Re: [9fans] plan 9 on the guruplug

2010-08-31 Thread David Leimbach
On Monday, August 30, 2010, Skip Tavakkolian 9...@9netics.com wrote: do you compile in an nvram (that includes the correct rights?) Yeah, I dd'd the one from my boot disk on the CPU server. On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 7:01 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.netwrote: Just got one of these

[9fans] plan 9 on the guruplug

2010-08-30 Thread David Leimbach
Just got one of these today, and I suspect my problem has nothing to do with the guruplug and everything to do with the fact that I've never set up any PXE bootable systems before to mount a Plan 9 CPUAUTHFS service. I'm getting ktrace /kernel/path 0x60806f34 0x6095cf30 0x6095cf6d # pc, sp,

Re: [9fans] plan 9 on the guruplug

2010-08-30 Thread David Leimbach
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 7:01 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.netwrote: Just got one of these today, and I suspect my problem has nothing to do with the guruplug and everything to do with the fact that I've never set up any PXE bootable systems before to mount a Plan 9 CPUAUTHFS

Re: [9fans] plan 9 on the guruplug

2010-08-30 Thread David Leimbach
I just built the CONF=plug Let me see what that includes. Maybe my sources are just really old. Dave On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:46 PM, Skip Tavakkolian 9...@9netics.com wrote: do you compile in an nvram (that includes the correct rights?) On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 7:01 PM, erik quanstrom

Re: [9fans] writing to ctl using fprint and write

2010-07-29 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 8:04 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.netwrote: Thanks Erik, Sape, and Skip. That was such a STUPID error, and I thank you all for the extra eyes. I think it is time for a break and a bowl of tea... relax. not stupid, subtle. it takes vigilance to keep

Re: [9fans] megamouse?

2010-06-30 Thread David Leimbach
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Pietro Gagliardi pietr...@mac.com wrote: On Jun 29, 2010, at 7:11 PM, John Floren wrote: Hey, there's a way to end the mouse/keyboard switching argument once and for all! With 18 buttons, you can just make the mouse a chording keyboard as well and never move

Re: [9fans] xml

2010-06-30 Thread David Leimbach
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 7:47 AM, hugo rivera uai...@gmail.com wrote: Now that I had a closer look to xml files, I think I get the main idea. From my point of view, xml doesn't seem so bad after all (please, please, this is just an uninformed opinion) but perhaps in the future I'll be able to

Re: [9fans] i.e. (was go toolchain)

2010-06-29 Thread David Leimbach
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Francisco J Ballesteros n...@lsub.orgwrote: Now that I remember, we recently added some demos for o/live octopus to the http://lsub.org/ls/demos.html page and we didn't post here to let 9fans know. Thanks, this is very cool. I'm considering setting up a PC

[9fans] megamouse?

2010-06-29 Thread David Leimbach
http://warmouse.com/pr062810.html Looks complicated.

Re: [9fans] xml

2010-06-28 Thread David Leimbach
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Rob Pike robp...@gmail.com wrote: The essence of XML is this: the problem it solves is not hard, and it does not solve the problem well. -- Phil Wadler, POPL 2003 -rob I love Wadler's work.

Re: [9fans] A little ado about taslock

2010-06-21 Thread David Leimbach
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Lyndon Nerenberg lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote: 2. if today 16 machs are possible (and 128 on an intel xeon mp 7500? 8 sockets * 8 core * 2t = 128), what do we expect in 5 years? 128? www.seamicro.com There's a 100 core MIPS-like board available now too.

Re: [9fans] Inducing artificial latency

2010-06-15 Thread David Leimbach
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 2:39 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.netwrote: I've come up with a basic idea, but before I go diving in I want to run it by 9fans and get opinions. What I'm thinking is writing a synthetic file system that will collect writes to /net; to simulate a

Re: [9fans] a very silly program

2010-06-04 Thread David Leimbach
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 9:42 AM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Francisco J Ballesteros n...@lsub.org wrote: mousefs is another example. I think I placed it in sources. It's used here to redirect mice to other Plan 9s. That's how it always works, I

Re: [9fans] Announcement: Fifth IWP9 - Oct 11-13 2010, Seattle WA

2010-06-03 Thread David Leimbach
AWESOME! I will try to round up some friends who may never have even seen Plan 9 before as well. Dave On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Skip Tavakkolian 9...@9netics.com wrote: Hello 9fans, On behalf of the IWP9 Planning Committee, I am pleased to announce that this year's workshop will be

Re: [9fans] Announcement: Fifth IWP9 - Oct 11-13 2010, Seattle WA

2010-06-03 Thread David Leimbach
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 11:22 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 11:06 PM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: AWESOME! I will try to round up some friends who may never have even seen Plan 9 before as well. Dave If we're going to have newbies

Re: [9fans] wheel on logitech usb mouse

2010-06-01 Thread David Leimbach
What protocol did you choose for your mouse? On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 12:43 AM, Markus Sonderegger marrai...@gmail.comwrote: hi, same here. did you find a solution? thanks On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 5:19 PM, yaroslav yari...@gmail.com wrote: hi, The wheel on my Logitech USB mouse does not

Re: [9fans] A new kind of Plan 9 FAQ

2010-05-31 Thread David Leimbach
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 6:51 PM, Martin Harriss mar...@princeton.eduwrote: Uriel wrote: I recently made a fascinating archeological discovery: http://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/humour/shaneys-plan9-faq Enjoy! uriel Well that certainly clears it up for me. Markov Chains for the win.

Re: [9fans] 9atom boot panic on Intel Desktop Board D410PT

2010-05-29 Thread David Leimbach
Disable the floppy controller? On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Sean Caron sca...@umich.edu wrote: Hi all, I picked up an Intel Desktop Board D410PT today with the intention of using it to run 9atom but I am finding that it panics on boot regardless of any switches I might set in the

Re: [9fans] Acme Mail

2010-05-25 Thread David Leimbach
Edit , selects the whole thing doesn't it? When I want to clear out an entire Acme window I just do Edit ,d for example. I don't really use Acme Mail though, so I'm unsure of what the difference is in marking vs selecting Daev On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 12:11 AM, Skip Tavakkolian

Re: [9fans] i can't run mail from p9p acme

2010-05-24 Thread David Leimbach
I think there's a new list for p9p stuff. Try here: http://groups.google.com/group/plan9port-dev On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 2:10 AM, abdullah ibrahim abdullahi...@gmail.comwrote: i tried to configure mail to run it in p9p acme , i tried to run Mail in acme i got: Mail: cannot mount mail: dial

Re: [9fans] Replica (partly?) stuck in time

2010-05-20 Thread David Leimbach
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 10:45 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 10:08 PM, a...@9srv.net wrote: I'm stumped. Anyone have any ideas? Yes, what I have done is stop using replica. I pull source from bitbucket.org and build. Replica is an interesting idea

Re: [9fans] Replica (partly?) stuck in time

2010-05-20 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 8:23 AM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 10:45 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 10:08 PM, a...@9srv.net wrote: I'm stumped. Anyone have any ideas? Yes, what I have done is stop using replica. I

Re: [9fans] system call trace version of 9vx available.

2010-05-18 Thread David Leimbach
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 5:22 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: http://bitbucket.org/rminnich/vx32 this is my hack of vx32. Were all of the binaries within recompiled against this code? Running 9vx on my iMac is pretty smooth! Dave It includes a ram block device, but more

Re: [9fans] system call trace version of 9vx available.

2010-05-18 Thread David Leimbach
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 7:13 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 1:54 AM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: Were all of the binaries within recompiled against this code? Running 9vx on my iMac is pretty smooth! Hm, not sure what you mean. ron

Re: [9fans] system call trace version of 9vx available.

2010-05-18 Thread David Leimbach
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 9:52 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 4:37 AM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: There were pre-built binaries in this cloned repo, I'm totally unable to rebuild the Mac OS X binary, due to some impossible constraint in some

Re: [9fans] standalone terminal w/ kfs no fossil

2010-05-16 Thread David Leimbach
On Sunday, May 16, 2010, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: kfs limits filenames to 28 characters, which can be a source of irritation if you import files or save mail attachments from other systems. surely that's trivially fixable. For me, those two factors alone make up for any

Re: [9fans] if only it had a tad more memory ...

2010-05-15 Thread David Leimbach
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 7:01 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.netwrote: It supposedly has 256K (which seems a lot for this type of app). I noticed that they provide the Gerber file, schematic and assembly diagrams, and probably everything needed to seriously hack the thing if you

Re: [9fans] if only it had a tad more memory ...

2010-05-14 Thread David Leimbach
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 4:40 PM, EBo e...@sandien.com wrote: http://www.lantronix.com/device-networking/embedded-device-servers/xchip-direct.html But it's still pretty neat. How much more memory do you need? It supposedly has 256K (which seems a lot for this type of app). I noticed

Re: [9fans] arm ports update

2010-05-13 Thread David Leimbach
Ok, now I have to google for guruplugs... On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Skip Tavakkolian 9...@9netics.com wrote: thank you! the two guruplugs i had ordered arrived today. i was disappoint to find that i'll need to order the JTAG board before i can do anything. i didn't see this

Re: [9fans] Puget Sound 9fans

2010-05-13 Thread David Leimbach
I am interested, and if we plan far enough ahead I might just be able to make it to one :-) Dave On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Skip Tavakkolian 9...@9netics.com wrote: are 9fans in the Puget Sound area interested in an informal meet-and-greet event? after a show of hands, i'll follow up

Re: [9fans] arm ports update

2010-05-13 Thread David Leimbach
Awesome! Looks like the big one can do 2x GigE and some home automation stuff. Sounds like good fun for Plan 9. On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Gorka Guardiola pau...@gmail.com wrote: In the sheeva you can access the Jtag through the usb port... - Curiosity sKilled the cat G. On May

Re: [9fans] arm ports update

2010-05-13 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Skip Tavakkolian 9...@9netics.com wrote: In the sheeva you can access the Jtag through the usb port... but the (newer) guruplug does not. it requires the guruplug jtag board, for accessing the console and they don't make it obvious when you order the

Re: [9fans] arm ports update

2010-05-13 Thread David Leimbach
Wow confusing and a little disappointing, but not unheard of :-) On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Skip Tavakkolian 9...@9netics.com wrote: they've got everyone confused. here's an informative thread: http://plugcomputer.org/plugforum/index.php?topic=1551.msg9645#msg9645 on the guruplug

Re: [9fans] iwp9.org (Re: BibTex collections of all 4 proceedings)

2010-05-07 Thread David Leimbach
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 8:37 AM, Ramon de Vera ramondev...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe Seattle? ...if in October, the Picasso Exhibit is also on in the SAM as well (just saying). Yeah but by then the Lusty Lady across the street from the SAM will have shut its doors forever (also just saying).

Re: [9fans] lguest back again

2010-05-05 Thread David Leimbach
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 10:37 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 4:58 AM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: is lguest the winning linux kernel technology of it's category today? It really depends on what you want. For us, and what we need, lguest wins

Re: [9fans] Almost immediate ISO Boot Failure

2010-05-04 Thread David Leimbach
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 2:57 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 2:23 AM, hiro 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: The more interesting question is: who doesn't agree, and why? On 5/4/10, Pavel Klinkovsky pavel.klinkov...@gmail.com wrote: maybe it is time to try to

Re: [9fans] 3-button mouse

2010-05-04 Thread David Leimbach
Trackballs Kensington has a nice 4 button one with a scroll ring that I've been very very happy with. On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 9:41 PM, Don Bailey don.bai...@gmail.com wrote: Sun Microsystems USB 3-button mouse has always been my preferred mouse for Plan 9. Still is. And they're cheap. On

Re: [9fans] lguest back again

2010-05-04 Thread David Leimbach
is lguest the winning linux kernel technology of it's category today? On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 2:20 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: OK, lguest support is back and working. and commited. Console I/O is a tad more efficient. Since we're using this port for the HARE project I expect

Re: [9fans] A simple experiment

2010-04-29 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 5:40 AM, roger peppe rogpe...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 April 2010 19:42, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: We did a simple experiment recently: added a new 9p type called Tstream, because this issue of streams vs. transactions has been bugging me for years. The

Re: [9fans] A simple experiment

2010-04-29 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 7:22 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.netwrote: what happens if the consumer is slow and the Rstream writer blocks? how do you stop all the other replies on the connection waiting for the consumer to get on with it? the tcp window closes. and the producer

Re: [9fans] A simple experiment

2010-04-29 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 7:43 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.netwrote: What does 9P require to function? If TStream has the same or lesser requirements, then there's no problem right? This comes back to my wondering why we don't just use 9P to set up HTTP streams. see

Re: [9fans] A simple experiment

2010-04-29 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 7:35 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.netwrote: But then I start to wonder why we feel we want to compete with HTTP when it already works, and is still fairly simple. Nothing wrong with improving 9P I suppose, but what's so wrong with HTTP transfers that it

Re: [9fans] A simple experiment

2010-04-29 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:34 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.netwrote: Wasn't IL somewhat abandoned because to make it as good as TCP you basically had to implement TCP anyway? due to a failure of vision, the internet only does well with certain types of ip packets. il is still an

Re: [9fans] A simple experiment

2010-04-29 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Tim Newsham news...@lava.net wrote: But then I start to wonder why we feel we want to compete with HTTP when it already works, and is still fairly simple. Nothing wrong with improving 9P I suppose, but what's so wrong with HTTP transfers that it warrants

Re: [9fans] A simple experiment

2010-04-29 Thread David Leimbach
Hmmm is Op the same Op from Octopus? Just making sure. Dave On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Skip Tavakkolian 9...@9netics.com wrote: i think in almost all cases putting Op between 9P endpoints will solve the slowness problem of high rtt networks. But then I start to wonder why we feel

Re: [9fans] A simple experiment

2010-04-29 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:44 PM, C H Forsyth fors...@vitanuova.com wrote: But then I start to wonder why we feel we want to compete with HTTP when it already works, and is still fairly simple. http is by no means simple, although yes, it could be still more complicated. I guess I think

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread David Leimbach
Nice work! On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 4:57 AM, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote: So it compiles without ado under Plan9! And it's pure C89 (POSIX is just for the framework, not for the code: I have removed unneeded dependencies). And it's all the latest versions of the programs. So some numbers:

Re: [9fans] bootiso.s fixed

2010-04-08 Thread David Leimbach
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 5:08 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: nice. It's nice to see the spirit of assembly language hacking is not being lost :-) ron I actually miss it a great deal. I did more of that in college though than I've ever had to do professionally, and the rust is

Re: [9fans] bootiso.s fixed

2010-04-08 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 7:29 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.netwrote: at what point do we cry uncle and write an x86 16 bit loader/assembler? - erik I'd rather have an EFI loader working for Plan 9, but that's because i've got all these macs laying around now... (old 32bit iMac

Re: [9fans] MPI

2010-03-31 Thread David Leimbach
Wrong answer... He was also asking about any libraries or technologies that Plan 9 might have, no one has answered that part of the question yet as far as I know. Dave On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 11:37 AM, hiro 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: wrong list

Re: [9fans] Plan ? (was: native install)

2010-03-30 Thread David Leimbach
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Albert Skye mistl...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: order is unnatural The Origins of Order: Self-Organization and Selection in Evolution by Stuart A. Kauffman http://www.amazon.com/Origins-Order-Self-Organization-Selection-Evolution/dp/0195079515 Why have facts

Re: [9fans] quote o' the day

2010-03-25 Thread David Leimbach
The efficiency of XML when being processed by computers or humans proves that it's neither machine nor human readable, despite all the advertising. Dave On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Corey Thomasson cthom.li...@gmail.comwrote: Not really related, but I got a good laugh from this. As soon

Re: [9fans] native install

2010-03-24 Thread David Leimbach
I'm glad there's another person out there with 4 machines running plan 9. That's really great. I never got beyond 2 :-) Dave On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 2:59 AM, EBo e...@sandien.com wrote: I just wanted to take a moment to thank Iru and Erik for their help with getting Plan 9 installed

Re: [9fans] using acme/Mail from plan9port in Linux

2010-03-23 Thread David Leimbach
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 8:13 AM, Steve Simon st...@quintile.net wrote: when I'm reading the mail on my imap server with nedmail, and I want to save a message, I get : 3 w /tmp/3 !message disappeared I have no idea if this is related but in the early days with gmail it would

Re: [9fans] Install CD hanging on probing floppy

2010-03-22 Thread David Leimbach
Cool! On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 4:21 AM, cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote: 9load will be gone soon. muzgo and i are working on 9pcload wich will use /dev/reboot to start the final kernel and use the native plan9 drivers. 9pcload will itself be loaded by some simple bootblocks. we have iso (el

Re: [9fans] recreational programming of an evening

2010-03-22 Thread David Leimbach
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 2:47 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Stuart Morrow morrow.stu...@googlemail.com wrote: so, are you basically saying that linux is a complex operating system, and it just takes a genius to understand its complexity? no,

Re: [9fans] recreational programming of an evening

2010-03-22 Thread David Leimbach
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 5:02 PM, EBo e...@sandien.com wrote: No! I'm glad that it is open source. I would not have even given it a second glance if it was not. If Linus had access to Plan 9 as a base I think things could have looked very different now, and possibly for the better. I

Re: [9fans] recreational programming of an evening

2010-03-22 Thread David Leimbach
It's fun to look back and see what people thought was going to be the programming model we're being faced with though. Things seem more NUMA than ever, or at least heading that way, even on the desktop. Intel's 48 core demo CPU doodad has a mesh network behind the scenes for reasons of

Re: [9fans] Creating new mail users; mail -c

2010-03-22 Thread David Leimbach
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:55 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.netwrote: On Mon Mar 22 16:22:15 EDT 2010, n...@lsub.org wrote: It would help being able to append to a directory, i.e., being able to create new files but not to, say, remove, already created files. i considered modifying

Re: [9fans] out of physical memory; no swap configured

2010-03-19 Thread David Leimbach
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 1:36 AM, Bela Valek bval...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/3/12 erik quanstrom quans...@labs.coraid.com: How do other operating systems detect the available RAM? Could Plan 9 use the same method? plan 9 uses the same methods for detecting ram everyone else does. perhaps

Re: [9fans] more little hardware

2010-03-18 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 2:24 AM, Gabriel Díaz gd...@rejaa.com wrote: hello How do I get my employer to need plan9? Given the experiences posted by some of the plan9 inventors in other thread, this seems to be an almost impossible task, unless you make your own business or change you're

Re: [9fans] more little hardware

2010-03-17 Thread David Leimbach
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:50 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Tim Newsham news...@lava.net wrote: Hmm.. There's the OK-labs android stuff which virtualizes android on top of L4. If only p9 was running on top of L4 :) Get cracking Tim! how hard

Re: [9fans] Collaborative Sam?

2010-03-15 Thread David Leimbach
I don't know enough about sam's innards to be able to say whether or not this could work, but I do like the idea. On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 7:05 AM, Jorden Mauro jrm8...@gmail.com wrote: How hard would it be to stick a program between a single sam -R and several samterms? I imagine such a

Re: [9fans] Collaborative Sam?

2010-03-15 Thread David Leimbach
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Jorden Mauro jrm8...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 10:34 AM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know enough about sam's innards to be able to say whether or not this could work, but I do like the idea. I think it's doable because

Re: [9fans] omap3 notebook

2010-03-12 Thread David Leimbach
Yeah the touchbook,it can run some ported iPhone applications it seems too interestingly. Dave On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Ethan Grammatikidis eeke...@fastmail.fmwrote: On 12 Mar 2010, at 05:17, ron minnich wrote: http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/home/ $400 but it has a long backlog

Re: [9fans] build system: [was: (no subject)]

2010-03-11 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 9:14 AM, EBo e...@sandien.com wrote: Sorry for disappearing since last Friday -- emergency house repairs. Uggg I feel like I've been beaten by mutant ninja dwarfs armed with... something only semi soft. Uggg. here's the full list of dynamic libraries used on

Re: [9fans] acme(4) and addr=dot

2010-03-06 Thread David Leimbach
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 7:16 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.netwrote: I think you want to create some kind of redirected handle to the ctl file first, then start a new block in rc. I believe this is how network programming in rc can be accomplished in Inferno as well. inferno

Re: [9fans] acme(4) and addr=dot

2010-03-06 Thread David Leimbach
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 8:48 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.netwrote: I think you want to create some kind of redirected handle to the ctl file first, then start a new block in rc. I believe this is how network programming in rc can be accomplished in Inferno as well.

Re: [9fans] gsoc2010 + plan9

2010-03-03 Thread David Leimbach
What's the current state of the following: 1. 9vx 2. 9null 3. Cpu from Inferno to Plan 9? (i think this might be in npe's inferno fork) 4. Inferno DS? (Is anyone still interested in it?) 5. SSH2? 6. LinuxEMU improvements? I'm sure there's plenty of ideas floating around people could work on.

Re: [9fans] How 'bout a 9 USER site?

2010-02-24 Thread David Leimbach
I second this. I've found those posts to be amazingly good. On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 5:23 AM, Eric Van Hensbergen eri...@gmail.comwrote: I personally like the inferno programmers notebook style - it's a nice way of documenting tips and tricks as well as introducing quick and dirty apps. I've

Re: [9fans] What operating systems are the google guys using?

2010-02-24 Thread David Leimbach
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 12:35 AM, Russ Cox r...@swtch.com wrote: Can you briefly tell us why you (Russ, Rob, Ken and Dave) no longer use Plan9 ? Because of missing apps or because of missing driver for your hardware ? And do you still use venti ? Operating systems and programming

Re: [9fans] P9p on Fedora 12

2010-02-24 Thread David Leimbach
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 2:13 AM, Pavel Klinkovsky pavel.klinkov...@gmail.com wrote: usage: devdraw (don't run  directly) 9term: initdraw: muxrpc: unexpected eof No one other experiencing this problem? Pavel I've not rebuilt on my mac in a while. I'll try again today, but I don't like

Re: [9fans] How 'bout a 9 USER site?

2010-02-23 Thread David Leimbach
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Steve Simon st...@quintile.net wrote: Also, for a while the Tokyo Inferno/Plan 9 User Group (tip9ug.jp) ran a service where pretty much anybody could get an account on a Plan 9 machine. They seem down now... if it's not temporary, something like that

Re: [9fans] How 'bout a 9 USER site?

2010-02-23 Thread David Leimbach
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 3:20 PM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Steve Simon st...@quintile.net wrote: Also, for a while the Tokyo Inferno/Plan 9 User Group (tip9ug.jp) ran a service where pretty much anybody could get an account on a Plan 9

Re: [9fans] How 'bout a 9 USER site?

2010-02-23 Thread David Leimbach
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 4:25 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.netwrote: On Tue Feb 23 19:21:38 EST 2010, lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote: Is there an Amazon S3 based 9P server? Just thinking out loud... I thought brucee had one? Look in contrib? This sounds familiar.

Re: [9fans] this made me smile

2010-02-19 Thread David Leimbach
Or as Mr Dynamite would say. Ye SWEET! On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 9:03 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.netwrote: http://wiki.soekris.info/Which_Operating_Systems_are_supported mr. powers says: ya, baby. - erik

Re: [9fans] pineview atom

2010-02-18 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:31 AM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:26 AM, matt maht-9f...@maht0x0r.net wrote: it supports 4gb of memory. of non-ECC memory, so nice terminal, bad server the probability of having at least one bit error in 4 gigabyes

Re: [9fans] Binary format

2010-02-17 Thread David Leimbach
And all of the below are some of the reasons I still love plan 9. Simplicity first is a really great way to work (I've learned over the years). Dave On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 6:06 AM, Gorka Guardiola pau...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Enrico Weigelt weig...@metux.de wrote:

Re: [9fans] Binary format

2010-02-17 Thread David Leimbach
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 6:55 AM, Steve Simon st...@quintile.net wrote: And another important feature of shared libraries is, that when some lib is updated, importing programs dont have to be recompiled. What's the Plan9 solution here ? We recompile the relevant executables. The speed of

Re: [9fans] Binary format

2010-02-17 Thread David Leimbach
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Stuart Morrow morrow.stu...@googlemail.com wrote: On 2/17/10, Steve Simon st...@quintile.net wrote: And another important feature of shared libraries is, that when some lib is updated, importing programs dont have to be recompiled. What's the Plan9

Re: [9fans] Binary format

2010-02-17 Thread David Leimbach
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Enrico Weigelt weig...@metux.de wrote: * David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: A lot of plug in functionality you'll find on other platforms that requires a shared library approach can be implemented via a file system service technique. Of course

Re: [9fans] Plan9 ezine

2010-02-17 Thread David Leimbach
The list didn't want to know that the list didn't want to know it either. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:45 PM, hiro 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: Yes, I'd like to have one :) Sorry, but the list wouldn't like to know that you would like to have one. Also I've never heard of any mediacloud. On

Re: [9fans] Binary format

2010-02-17 Thread David Leimbach
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 3:16 PM, EBo e...@sandien.com wrote: Nathaniel W Filardo n...@cs.jhu.edu said: On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 03:06:57PM +0100, Gorka Guardiola wrote: * each module may have an entry point (main module w/o is allowed, even if it wouldn't make much sense ;-o), these

Re: [9fans] LinuxEMU

2010-02-06 Thread David Leimbach
On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 9:56 AM, cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote: here are efforts to build a staticly linked linux distribution: http://stali.suckless.org/ have not tried it on linuxemu yet, but from the discription they will use some alternative tiny libc. looks like the right direction...

Re: [9fans] find command reloaded

2010-01-24 Thread David Leimbach
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Tim Newsham news...@lava.net wrote: I have never felt the need for tools like these, I use the mouse to edit the text on the screen (changing history), I then double click to the right of the line and click send which resubmits the text. The idea that any

Re: [9fans] mount acme on plan9port

2010-01-24 Thread David Leimbach
How about on MacFUSE? I remember there being some issues there. In fact, I'm now using an SSHFS that is *not* a FUSE module, but a pretty nicely done independent implementation. Dave On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Russ Cox r...@swtch.com wrote: plan9port works well with FUSE. It works

[9fans] LinuxEMU

2010-01-18 Thread David Leimbach
The SVN thread got me thinking that I had remembered seeing Ron post something about what I thought was an in-kernel LinuxEMU that got a little better performance on plan 9. Is this true? I know the currently LinuxEMU is pretty impressive and can run a large range of programs (Web browsers

Re: [9fans] LinuxEMU

2010-01-18 Thread David Leimbach
That's pretty great! Is that on contrib? On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 12:01 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: I have a syscall emulation implementation in the 9k kernel that is a starting point but not nearly as complete as linuxemu. People are welcome to have a go at it. The big

Re: [9fans] LinuxEMU

2010-01-18 Thread David Leimbach
machines. and this gets cheaper every day without doing anything. in fact this seems to be what most people on iwp9 where doing. (on ther fucking macbooks) ;-) -- cinap -- Forwarded message -- From: David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs

Re: [9fans] LinuxEMU

2010-01-18 Thread David Leimbach
of concerns between layers anyway. L4 seems to have a way for linux processes to talk to other L4 processes using L4 IPC when it's used for virtualization, so why not use 9P to talk across virtualization domains? Dave On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 3:16 PM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: Good post

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 on L4

2010-01-08 Thread David Leimbach
could chime in, but here is the link to the project. You might be surprised how much of Plan 9 has been rewritten in LP49. http://research.nii.ac.jp/H2O/LP49/LP49-e.html -- On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 3:48 PM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: Recently found a paper (again) documenting some

Re: [9fans] parallels

2010-01-08 Thread David Leimbach
Do you think you'd recommend Parallels over VirtualBox? I've not tried plan 9 on VirtualBox as I usually opt to run it on real hardware where I can, and 9vx or drawterm to connect. On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 10:58 AM, ge...@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: Yes, Plan 9 runs on Parallels 4 and 5, with or

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 on L4

2010-01-07 Thread David Leimbach
of LP49 themselves could chime in, but here is the link to the project. You might be surprised how much of Plan 9 has been rewritten in LP49. http://research.nii.ac.jp/H2O/LP49/LP49-e.html -- On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 3:48 PM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: Recently found a paper

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 on L4

2010-01-07 Thread David Leimbach
Well I've got it booted in VMWare from the tarball of just a few weeks back and it looks pretty nice! On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:28 AM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: This looks really great! Thanks! On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:14 AM, YAMANASHI Takeshi 9.na...@gmail.comwrote: As I

Re: [9fans] evoluent mouse review

2010-01-06 Thread David Leimbach
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Russ Cox r...@swtch.com wrote: I am planning to play with an Apple Magic Mouse using Paul Lalonde's patch (soon to be in p9p). Paul's code is now in p9p. Because the code can read where your finger is on the mouse when you click, it can pretend there are

[9fans] Plan 9 on L4

2010-01-06 Thread David Leimbach
Recently found a paper (again) documenting some work going on here. I've lately sort of had a resurrected interest in OKL4, and I'm always interested in Plan 9 stuff, so I was wondering what's happened here or if there's any code to show for it. It seems like an effort that would take more than

Re: [9fans] evoluent mouse review

2010-01-04 Thread David Leimbach
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 8:41 PM, Russ Cox r...@swtch.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Mathieu Lonjaret mathieu.lonja...@gmail.com wrote: I'm thinking of buying such a mouse. Have you found better since you posted that review? Did you (or anyone else) get a chance to eventually

Re: [9fans] evoluent mouse review

2010-01-04 Thread David Leimbach
Just saw this Patch of Paul's, it's the same stuff I found. I'm now anxious to try the new p9p on my touchpad with the macbook! :-) Good times! Thanks Paul and Russ! Dave On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Anthony Sorace a...@9srv.net wrote: Benjamin Huntsman wrote: Anyone remember or

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