Re: [9fans] Difference between Plan 9 legacy and 9front

2022-01-27 Thread Keith Gibbs
There is certainly a variety of opinions of what means what, but generally speaking: 9legacy: Continuation of Plan 9 from Bell Labs v4 with patches and fixes 9front: A close fork of Plan 9 focused on using and developing Plan 9 systems on modern hardware as a rolling and continually developed

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

2022-01-24 Thread Keith Gibbs
> On 25. Jan 2022, at 9.23, adr wrote: > > Just for curiosity, in what thread people has been harassed here > for race, sexual orientation, disablility or whatever you want to > add to the list social champion? > Perhaps when you said, quote, "I think you are not bipolar, you are just another

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

2022-01-24 Thread Keith Gibbs
Oh no. Someone doesn’t like Intro to OS abstractions! Someone on the internet has an opinion about someone that you may not agree with! *clutches pearls* *swoons* You are an adult, right? You can understand people have different opinions and motivations. He and others don’t like Mr.

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

2022-01-24 Thread Keith Gibbs
+1 Instead of responding to an idea that would potentially benefit the whole of the community, several people got *personally offended* about the fact that the original author wanted to make sure that the effort was inclusive [as there *are* LGBTQ+, differently abled, and neurodivergent

Re: [9fans] New to plan9

2021-10-16 Thread Keith Gibbs
Yeah, don't switch for simple tools like mothra, but as you learn more, there are strengths to both. I ran the "9miller" Pi version for a bit and as a retro computer collector and old software junkie, I enjoyed myself, but I played with VMs and then got some baremetal installs of 9front going.

Re: [9fans] Software philosophy

2021-08-19 Thread Keith Gibbs
> On Aug 19, 2021, at 7:34 AM, Lucio De Re wrote: > > It is the pragmatic end of the Plan 9 spectrum, courtesy of Cinap who > clearly would be a Torvalds if Plan 9 had gained the traction of > Linux. > Oh please. You think Cinap is some sort of charismatic demogogue of 9front? Yeah… he’s not

Re: [9fans] Software philosophy

2021-08-19 Thread Keith Gibbs
>> 3) the p9f website promotes links to the Plan 9 archive software (V1-V4), >> 9legacy as "Plan 9 with many useful patches", the RPi version and other >> Plan 9 resources. 9front is _never_ mentioned at all. It seems like they >> don't consider 9front as a Plan 9 system at all. >> > That is

Re: [9fans] Software philosophy

2021-08-19 Thread Keith Gibbs
Hej Eli, I think, philosophically, there is a disconnect re: the status of 9front vs 9legacy by 9legacy folks. Even David suggested that 9legacy is “real” Plan 9, rather than a fork. Fundamentally this is semantics, but it leads to seeing them as fundamentally different things, when they

Re: [9fans] Software philosophy

2021-08-18 Thread Keith Gibbs
> On 18. Aug 2021, at 14.28, Lucio De Re wrote: > Let me put it this way: German and Italian motorcycle manufacturers > eventually figured that the gear shift should be on the same side as > Japanese manufacturers preferred. This is my point exactly in one sense. In your example, there were

Re: [9fans] Software philosophy

2021-08-18 Thread Keith Gibbs
Come, come, Vester. Please don’t introduce false premises under the guise of calling them out. I never said that. 9front as the official Plan 9 would be pretty absurd. I never said it was *the* development branch. It is *a* development branch. I could even imagine that it may in fact be the

Re: [9fans] Software philosophy

2021-08-18 Thread Keith Gibbs
kip Tavakkolian wrote: > > I changed the Subject line to better reflect the discussion. Please do go on. > >> On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 8:57 PM Lucio De Re wrote: >> >>> On 8/17/21, Keith Gibbs wrote: >>> One Plan Nine? >>> >>> Sure, we h

Re: [9fans] OAuth2 in factotum

2021-08-18 Thread Keith Gibbs
Lucio, man, you are a comic genius. > On 18. Aug 2021, at 6.55, Lucio De Re wrote: > > You bought the "exceptionalism" Kool-Aid, lock, stock and barrel, > haven't you? It's a question of size: a small code base should remain > small, then it is not weaponisable or monetisable. So we raise the

Re: [9fans] OAuth2 in factotum

2021-08-17 Thread Keith Gibbs
One Plan Nine? Sure, we have the historical version of the Bell Labs/Lucient codebase, preserved as 9legacy, but yeah we have one currently developed branch of Plan 9 called 9front. Are you proposing that to be called “Plan 9 from Bell Labs 5th edition”? To be serious though, when has

Re: [9fans] Foundation new releases question

2021-04-03 Thread Keith Gibbs
It's almost as if the accusations that 9front in some way undermines the core philosophies of Plan 9 are not motivated by facts, but more invented in the minds of people who just don't like 9front people being in charge of 9front. Almost... -pixelheresy On 21/04/03 05:39PM, hiro wrote: > btw