Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-13 Thread matt
I'm running the traditional Ken FS, sans Erik's mods. sans is French for without hence serif sans-serif, is that what you meant ?

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-13 Thread erik quanstrom
I'm running the traditional Ken FS, sans Erik's mods. pedants would point out that it is unlikely this is traditional ken fs. it is much more likely to be geoff's reform 63-bitized version. - erik

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-13 Thread Akshat Kumar
Hi Matt, On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 4:49 AM, matt maht-9f...@maht0x0r.net wrote: I'm running the traditional Ken FS, sans Erik's mods. sans is French for without hence serif sans-serif, is that what you meant ? Yes. Erik's observations are also correct (it's Geoff's reform 63-bitized

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-11 Thread Wolfgang Kunz
Hello, this isn't a complete list of supported ahci or marvell parts. i don't know about jmicron support. i tried to add it without having any hardware to test. i have always chosen other hardware over jmicron. it seems to benchmark poorly and be unnecessarly incompatable. i have not done

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-11 Thread Wolfgang Kunz
I have an MSI G31TM-P21 + q8200 http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=proddescmaincat_no=1prod_no=183 Nice board. I could get it for 50$. So far I can see this board has the ICH7 chip. So AHCI is not working on this board? I am not sure if this is important. Thanks! Wolfgang

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-11 Thread Steve Simon
Interessting idea. Do you use a fossil only configuration and mirroring with fs(3)? I use fossil and venti with everything mirrored with fs(3) - each partition. I have two 7500 RPM Enterprise grade disks (i.e. better than average reliability) from two different manufacturers, the idea is one

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-11 Thread erik quanstrom
1. unless one needs more ports than the motherboard offers, i would stick with on-board ports. That makes sense for me. Perhaps I could save money and use the onboard network chip too (most RELTEK)? Then I could invest more money in the board and the CPU. some 8169 parts are pretty

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-11 Thread erik quanstrom
http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=proddescmaincat_no=1prod_no=183 Nice board. I could get it for 50$. So far I can see this board has the ICH7 chip. So AHCI is not working on this board? i belive that page says ich6. ich6 is not ahci capable. the contrib version of the ahci driver should

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-11 Thread erik quanstrom
On Mon Jan 11 03:29:06 EST 2010, w...@hush.com wrote: I recently built a new server out of an Intel Dualcore Atom motherboard (D945GCLF2D), it needs some kernel patches from Erik to get everything to work cleanly but it is now great. I added two 500Gb SATA disks mirrored for storage.

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-11 Thread Venkatesh Srinivas
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 01:01:43PM +, Steve Simon wrote: Interessting idea. Do you use a fossil only configuration and mirroring with fs(3)? I use fossil and venti with everything mirrored with fs(3) - each partition. Hi! An alternate configuration, which takes more memory, but might

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-11 Thread erik quanstrom
An alternate configuration, which takes more memory, but might offer a bit more in the way of survivability, would be to not use fs for venti. Instead, run one venti daemon per disk, with independent arenas/indexes. Insert a little Venti proxy between fossil and your daemons; it should

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-11 Thread Steve Simon
i hate to disagree, but i would not recommend that motherboard. Sorry, I have corrected myself privately but not here yet. The Intel D945GCLF2D looks like a nice board but I agree the broken MP tables are a deal breaker for plan9 (unless acpi support can sidestep the issue one day). I bought a

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-11 Thread Venkatesh Srinivas
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 10:22:49AM -0500, erik quanstrom wrote: An alternate configuration, which takes more memory, but might offer a bit more in the way of survivability, would be to not use fs for venti. Instead, run one venti daemon per disk, with independent arenas/indexes. Insert a

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-11 Thread erik quanstrom
Venti deals with incompletely written blocks; the arenas and index structures are still workable. The situation is even recoverable - a proxy could notice that one of the backends failed to return a read, so it rewrite the data from an other copy (which it can verify) to the failed one. what

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-11 Thread erik quanstrom
There are some newer mini-itx cards from supermicro which also look interesting but I have no experience of them: http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/ATOM i'm trying to get one to test. fortunately, this thing has an 82574 nic. which should work just fine. - erik

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-11 Thread Venkatesh Srinivas
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 12:24 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@coraid.com wrote: Venti deals with incompletely written blocks; the arenas and index structures are still workable. The situation is even recoverable - a proxy could notice that one of the backends failed to return a read, so it rewrite

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-11 Thread Wolfgang Kunz
After reading many mails here I plan to run a fossil only fileserver. So far I understand the Ken dedicated fileserver has gone. ken's fs works for me. I am very interested in the old dedicated Ken fileserver. So far I understand you there are ways to run Ken fileserver today? When this is

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-11 Thread Frederik Caulier
Hello Wolfgang You might want to get in touch with user 'Capso' on the #pl...@irc.freenode.org channel. AFAIK he is running a Ken FS setup. Best regards, F. Caulier On 1/11/10, Wolfgang Kunz w...@hush.com wrote: After reading many mails here I plan to run a fossil only fileserver. So far I

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-11 Thread erik quanstrom
On Mon Jan 11 12:54:02 EST 2010, w...@hush.com wrote: After reading many mails here I plan to run a fossil only fileserver. So far I understand the Ken dedicated fileserver has gone. ken's fs works for me. I am very interested in the old dedicated Ken fileserver. So far I understand

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-11 Thread Wolfgang Kunz
On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:14:19 +0100 erik quanstrom quans...@coraid.com wrote: fs was removed from the cd but there's a version in /n/sources/extra. kfs and fs(3) are different fileservers. you can also use the source in contrib quanstro/fs. i run 4 fileservers (plus one for testing) based on

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-11 Thread Federico G. Benavento
I don't care whether ahci works or not, I only cared if the system was Plan 9 capable and it is, the good thing is that everything except audio is well supported by Plan 9. On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 6:33 AM, Wolfgang Kunz w...@hush.com wrote: I have an MSI G31TM-P21 + q8200

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-11 Thread erik quanstrom
On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:14:19 +0100 erik quanstrom quans...@coraid.com wrote: fs was removed from the cd but there's a version in /n/sources/extra. kfs and fs(3) are different fileservers. you can also use the source in contrib quanstro/fs. i run 4 fileservers (plus one for testing)

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-11 Thread Akshat Kumar
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Frederik Caulier aed...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Wolfgang You might want to get in touch with user 'Capso' on the #pl...@irc.freenode.org channel. AFAIK he is running a Ken FS setup. Best regards, F. Caulier That's just me. Feel free to drop me a mail or

[9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-10 Thread Wolfgang Kunz
Hi, I am new to Plan9. After testing Plan9 in Xen on NetBSD I want to create a native Plan9 fileserver on it's own hardware. I would like to ask about the recommended hardware for doing that? The fileserver is for about 5 users and 500 GB of data. Which disk controller should I use for best

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-10 Thread Federico G. Benavento
I have an MSI G31TM-P21 + q8200 http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=proddescmaincat_no=1prod_no=1833 On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 1:59 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: Which disk controller should I use for best performance and driver support? AHCI based: SB600 IHC9 Jmicron