Re: [9fans] I can not remember if I sent this or not: MIPS-64 (sort

On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Charles Forsyth wrote: > the kernel work is another matter; the essential 64-bit changes have been > made, But not released. Maybe the GSoC students can work telepathically on it, that is a skill that will come handy in their future Plan 9 contributions. uriel

Re: [9fans] I can not remember if I sent this or not: MIPS-64 (sort of) notebook

2009/3/20 ron minnich : > On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 4:52 PM, James Tomaschke > wrote: >> I would suggest the compiler as well, students are probably more familiar >> with compiler concepts and it will probably be easier to mentor.  In the >> future, the porting work can be distributed over the comm

Re: [9fans] I can not remember if I sent this or not: MIPS-64 (sort of) notebook

I would suggest the compiler as well, students are probably more familiar with compiler concepts and it will probably be easier to mentor. In the future, the porting work can be distributed over the community anyways. ron minnich wrote: Is a mips-64 port a reasonable GSOC project? The person

Re: [9fans] I can not remember if I sent this or not: MIPS-64 (sort of) notebook

On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 4:52 PM, James Tomaschke wrote: > I would suggest the compiler as well, students are probably more familiar > with compiler concepts and it will probably be easier to mentor.  In the > future, the porting work can be distributed over the community anyways. Sorry, I was not

Re: [9fans] I can not remember if I sent this or not: MIPS-64 (sort of) notebook

Is a mips-64 port a reasonable GSOC project? The person doing it could not come in cold, but there is a starting point it seems. In spite of my earlier suggestion, I have to agree with Russ. Gcc and its utils are a daily headache for me, I'd rather just get a mips-64 compiler port first. ron

Re: [9fans] I can not remember if I sent this or not: MIPS-64 (sort of) notebook

On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 12:15 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: > wouldn't it just be easier to use 32-bit compatability mode > (http://www.mips.com/products/processors/architectures/mips64/) > for bootstrapping using vc? that's how i started playing. iru

Re: [9fans] I can not remember if I sent this or not: MIPS-64 (sort

for the RISC processors, it should be relatively straightforward to do the 64-bit variant of ?[acl], given an existing 32-bit one, and i'd be surprised if the applications also didn't work immediately since they run in 64-bit mode on amd64. (anyway, they required relatively little work, and the co

Re: [9fans] I can not remember if I sent this or not: MIPS-64 (sort of) notebook

ron is suggesting is that with minimal effort the plan 9 kernel could be made to compile using gcc instead of the standard plan 9 compilers. he's right. erik's point is that once you have a kernel up, you still need to give it executables to run. this either requires porting the standard compilers

Re: [9fans] I can not remember if I sent this or not: MIPS-64 (sort

On Fri Mar 20 11:34:28 EDT 2009, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: > > wouldn't it just be easier to use 32-bit compatability mode > > (http://www.mips.com/products/processors/architectures/mips64/) > > for bootstrapping using vc? > > Please don't go there! I have just ordered (and paid for) one of > t

Re: [9fans] I can not remember if I sent this or not: MIPS-64 (sort

> i'm really missing something. what executables does this > kernel run? how are they generated? Executing ELFs is not the most difficult thing on earth, LinuxEmu does it in its sleep. Moving the functionality into the kernel would be trivial for anyone who does not insist in understanding the

Re: [9fans] I can not remember if I sent this or not: MIPS-64 (sort

> wouldn't it just be easier to use 32-bit compatability mode > (http://www.mips.com/products/processors/architectures/mips64/) > for bootstrapping using vc? Please don't go there! I have just ordered (and paid for) one of those gadgets and foremost in my mind was the hope that I would not have t

Re: [9fans] I can not remember if I sent this or not: MIPS-64 (sort of) notebook

On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 8:15 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: > i'm really missing something.  what executables does this > kernel run?  how are they generated? one of us is. I'll let it drop here because it might be me. ron

Re: [9fans] I can not remember if I sent this or not: MIPS-64 (sort of) notebook

> Let me say it differently. The way in which the plan 9 kernel code was > changed to be gcc-compilable as part of the vx32 kernel might provide > some hints as to how to change a whole plan 9 kernel. The point being, > it is not impossible to get a gcc-compilable plan 9 kernel. We used to > talk a

Re: [9fans] I can not remember if I sent this or not: MIPS-64 (sort of) notebook

On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 4:43 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: >> so, here's a silghtly controversial (maybe) suggestion. Maybe my >> memory is wrong, but i believe the vx32 kernel is gcc-compiled. There >> is gcc for this CPU. It might be easier to start from the vx32 kernel >> and gcc to target this mac

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> http://www.lemote.com/english/yeeloong.html > > It's an interesting site for a number of reasons ... Yes, it is. How hard will it be to do business with them? I have a feeling we'd want a single point of contact to save a lot of heartache. ++L

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On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Jack Johnson wrote: > There's some reseller in the U.K., I think.  Let me see if I can dig it up. Whoops, wrong country: http://www.tekmote.nl/epages/61504599.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61504599/Categories/%22Lemote%20product%22 -Jack

Re: [9fans] I can not remember if I sent this or not: MIPS-64 (sort

On 3/19/2009 22:49, j...@csplan9.rit.edu wrote: > Can you even get them in China? Are they even being produced? Straight from the Dutch... ~Jason

Re: [9fans] I can not remember if I sent this or not: MIPS-64 (sort

On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 6:49 PM, wrote: > I found this a couple months ago and showed it to Ron, tried to get a > quote or some info on buying them but nobody even replied to my email. > Can you even get them in China?  Are they even being produced? There's some reseller in the U.K., I think. L

Re: [9fans] I can not remember if I sent this or not: MIPS-64 (sort

> i was looking at this a week or two ago, trying to find an ARM or MIPS > laptop to play with. my first question was whether the "missing" parts > of the MIPS instruction set are things that our compilers currently > generate; SoC (oh, and my day job) ramped up before i could find the > list of mi

Re: [9fans] I can not remember if I sent this or not: MIPS-64 (sort of) notebook

tim weiss started work on kencc mips64 port and I started (w/o the compiler) playing with Plan 9 on mips64 based on the old carrera port. the stupid initial code is at http://src.oitobits.net/9sgi On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 8:24 PM, ron minnich wrote: > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Anthony Sora

Re: [9fans] I can not remember if I sent this or not: MIPS-64 (sort of) notebook

> so, here's a silghtly controversial (maybe) suggestion. Maybe my > memory is wrong, but i believe the vx32 kernel is gcc-compiled. There > is gcc for this CPU. It might be easier to start from the vx32 kernel > and gcc to target this machine, rather than do a 64-bit MIPS port of > the plan 9 C co

Re: [9fans] I can not remember if I sent this or not: MIPS-64 (sort of) notebook

On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Anthony Sorace wrote: > i was looking at this a week or two ago, trying to find an ARM or MIPS > laptop to play with. my first question was whether the "missing" parts > of the MIPS instruction set are things that our compilers currently > generate; SoC (oh, and my

Re: [9fans] I can not remember if I sent this or not: MIPS-64 (sort of) notebook

i was looking at this a week or two ago, trying to find an ARM or MIPS laptop to play with. my first question was whether the "missing" parts of the MIPS instruction set are things that our compilers currently generate; SoC (oh, and my day job) ramped up before i could find the list of missing inst

[9fans] I can not remember if I sent this or not: MIPS-64 (sort of) notebook

http://www.lemote.com/english/yeeloong.html It's an interesting site for a number of reasons ... ron