Re: [9fans] Summary of acme chords

2012-05-05 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 08:40:58 GMT Brian Vito brian.v...@gmail.com wrote: I've put together a rudimentary chart of acme chords -- if anyone has any suggestions, revisions, corrections, etc., they would be greatly appreciated. Eventually the chart will form part of an introduction to acme for

Re: [9fans] Summary of acme chords

2012-04-26 Thread Peter A. Cejchan
.TS box, tab(:); l | l l l l. :b1 left:b2 middle:b3 right:cancel _ select:x::: execute::x::b3 right search:::x:b2 middle _ cut:first:second::b3 right snarf:first:second:third paste:first::second:b2 middle .TE On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Christian Neukirchen chneukirc...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [9fans] Summary of acme chords

2012-04-26 Thread Martin Kühl
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 00:15, david jeannot djeanno...@gmail.com wrote: A bit off topic, but if some OS X users need a mouse only for Acme, here is a patch to use Acme without a mouse:           http://codereview.appspot.com/6115053 Or you could just use the trackpad and p9p mouse

Re: [9fans] Summary of acme chords

2012-04-26 Thread dexen deVries
On Thursday 26 of April 2012 11:48:59 Martin Kühl wrote: Or you could just use the trackpad and p9p mouse emulation: - select text, keep the trackpad button pressed - hit option to cut - hit command to paste It works surprisingly well. if your touchpad detects two- and three-finger

Re: [9fans] Summary of acme chords

2012-04-26 Thread david jeannot
On 26 April 2012 11:48, Martin Kühl martin.ku...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 00:15, david jeannot djeanno...@gmail.com wrote: A bit off topic, but if some OS X users need a mouse only for Acme, here is a patch to use Acme without a mouse:          

Re: [9fans] Summary of acme chords

2012-04-26 Thread Akshat Kumar
Shouldn't the top one be: Select-Cut-Paste ? The Cut does the snarfing. There is no way (that I know) to simply Snarf with a mouse. Moreover, I feel that the top two should be joined a the Select vertex, like in the original. This is a great representation. On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 6:08 PM,

[9fans] Summary of acme chords

2012-04-25 Thread Brian Vito
I've put together a rudimentary chart of acme chords -- if anyone has any suggestions, revisions, corrections, etc., they would be greatly appreciated. Eventually the chart will form part of an introduction to acme for non-programmers. https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B1QVUS-qAuuienlTMHdRYkFzSHM

Re: [9fans] Summary of acme chords

2012-04-25 Thread IainWS
On Apr 25, 6:40 pm, Brian Vito brian.v...@gmail.com wrote: I've put together a rudimentary chart of acme chords -- if anyone has any suggestions, revisions, corrections, etc., they would be greatly appreciated. Eventually the chart will form part of an introduction to acme for non-programmers.

Re: [9fans] Summary of acme chords

2012-04-25 Thread sl
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B1QVUS-qAuuienlTMHdRYkFzSHM Could this be presented in a format accessible to Plan 9 users? -sl

Re: [9fans] Summary of acme chords

2012-04-25 Thread hiro
When only half of the fields of your table have a meaning you're doing something wrong. And nobody wants to learn motoric motions from some stupid table. Things like select are too trivial for this and Snarf can be left out because essentially it's just the same as cutting and pasting together.

Re: [9fans] Summary of acme chords

2012-04-25 Thread Brian Vito
On Apr 25, 7:26 am, 23h...@googlemail.com (hiro) wrote: When only half of the fields of your table have a meaning you're doing something wrong. And nobody wants to learn motoric motions from some stupid table. Things like select are too trivial for this and Snarf can be left out because

Re: [9fans] Summary of acme chords

2012-04-25 Thread sl
But thanks for your criticism. Next time, trying to be helpful would be nice. But how do Plan 9 users access this chart? -sl

Re: [9fans] Summary of acme chords

2012-04-25 Thread Brian Vito
On Apr 25, 7:26 am, 23h...@googlemail.com (hiro) wrote: When only half of the fields of your table have a meaning you're doing something wrong. And nobody wants to learn motoric motions from some stupid table. Things like select are too trivial for this and Snarf can be left out because

Re: [9fans] Summary of acme chords

2012-04-25 Thread Gabriel Díaz López de la Llave
: 9fans-boun...@9fans.net [9fans-boun...@9fans.net] on behalf of s...@9front.org [s...@9front.org] Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 17:29 To: 9fans@9fans.net Subject: Re: [9fans] Summary of acme chords But thanks for your criticism. Next time, trying to be helpful would be nice. But how do Plan

Re: [9fans] Summary of acme chords

2012-04-25 Thread David du Colombier
But how do Plan 9 users access this chart? hget -o acme_chords.pdf 'https://doc-0o-3g-docs.googleusercontent.com/docs/securesc/ha0ro937gcuc7l7deffksulhg5h7mbp1/pub48giqvrap6he53h3mtl8q9g5nlvid/133536960/05011244667098227595/*/0B1QVUS-qAuuienlTMHdRYkFzSHM' -- David du Colombier

Re: [9fans] Summary of acme chords

2012-04-25 Thread sl
But how do Plan 9 users access this chart? hget -o acme_chords.pdf 'https://doc-0o-3g-docs.googleusercontent.com/docs/securesc/ha0ro937gcuc7l7deffksulhg5h7mbp1/pub48giqvrap6he53h3mtl8q9g5nlvid/133536960/05011244667098227595/*/0B1QVUS-qAuuienlTMHdRYkFzSHM' Thank you. -sl

Re: [9fans] Summary of acme chords

2012-04-25 Thread Yaroslav
not on the table: B2+B1 passes dot as arg to the cmd

Re: [9fans] Summary of acme chords

2012-04-25 Thread Jacob Todd
Aren't all of the chords in the acme paper and/or man page? On Apr 25, 2012 4:46 AM, Brian Vito brian.v...@gmail.com wrote: I've put together a rudimentary chart of acme chords -- if anyone has any suggestions, revisions, corrections, etc., they would be greatly appreciated. Eventually the

Re: [9fans] Summary of acme chords

2012-04-25 Thread Jack Norton
On 4/25/2012 11:50 AM, Jacob Todd wrote: Aren't all of the chords in the acme paper and/or man page? The acme paper isn't as descriptive as the man page on the subject. There is a section for individual mouse buttons and a dedicated section for chording (keep going down...). Some of the

Re: [9fans] Summary of acme chords

2012-04-25 Thread Rob DeHart
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Jack Norton j...@0x6a.com wrote: Now, the sam language quick reference card that one 9fan composed long ago... THAT is a great little thing to have handy. I printed it out but removed the file so I don't have a link handy.

Re: [9fans] Summary of acme chords

2012-04-25 Thread andy zerger
Usually I am all about the written word, but the chart made chording significantly easier to integrate, brain-wise .. just to screw around I made a nroff document about it, my first ever .. (what a pain in the .. to make table like data, couldn't find a tag for it anyway) Acme Chord-Chart cmd

Re: [9fans] Summary of acme chords

2012-04-25 Thread Robert Ransom
On 2012-04-25, andy zerger zerger.a...@gmail.com wrote: Usually I am all about the written word, but the chart made chording significantly easier to integrate, brain-wise .. just to screw around I made a nroff document about it, my first ever .. (what a pain in the .. to make table like data,

Re: [9fans] Summary of acme chords

2012-04-25 Thread Tom Lieber
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Brian Vito brian.v...@gmail.com wrote: How would you put together the chart without any empty fees? This is how I've always visualized it: http://alltom.com/files/misc/chords.png (incomplete because I ran out of time and had trouble interpreting the table :)

Re: [9fans] Summary of acme chords

2012-04-25 Thread Tom Lieber
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Tom Lieber t...@alltom.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Brian Vito brian.v...@gmail.com wrote: How would you put together the chart without any empty fees? This is how I've always visualized it:  http://alltom.com/files/misc/chords.png

Re: [9fans] Summary of acme chords

2012-04-25 Thread hiro
How did you learn this information -- from a stupid textual list? No, from a youtube vid. There were these nice mouse button graphics accompaning the screencast like later in the thread.

Re: [9fans] Summary of acme chords

2012-04-25 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
plus I think the man page describes it quite well. IIRC. -- using ipad keyboard. excuse any typos. On Apr 25, 2012, at 9:19 PM, hiro 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: How did you learn this information -- from a stupid textual list? No, from a youtube vid. There were these nice mouse button

Re: [9fans] Summary of acme chords

2012-04-25 Thread andrey mirtchovski
 http://alltom.com/files/misc/chords.png a suggestion? http://i.imgur.com/hjFJa.png

Re: [9fans] Summary of acme chords

2012-04-25 Thread Gorka Guardiola
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 9:34 PM, andrey mirtchovski mirtchov...@gmail.com wrote:  http://alltom.com/files/misc/chords.png a suggestion? http://i.imgur.com/hjFJa.png I really like this graphics and with the text they are even better. G.

Re: [9fans] Summary of acme chords

2012-04-25 Thread hiro
This is the way, Tom Lieber's graphic is really great, I agree. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dopu3ZtdCsg The Hello world is confusing though :D

Re: [9fans] Summary of acme chords

2012-04-25 Thread andrey mirtchovski
I really like this graphics and with the text they are even better. i think it needs two lines of text per graph -- one for what's on screen, one for the snarf buffer.

Re: [9fans] Summary of acme chords

2012-04-25 Thread Tom Lieber
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 3:34 PM, andrey mirtchovski mirtchov...@gmail.com wrote:  http://alltom.com/files/misc/chords.png a suggestion? http://i.imgur.com/hjFJa.png I like that. It'd probably work better if 'cut' and 'paste' didn't have the same 'select' as their root, so the example for

Re: [9fans] Summary of acme chords

2012-04-25 Thread david jeannot
A bit off topic, but if some OS X users need a mouse only for Acme, here is a patch to use Acme without a mouse: http://codereview.appspot.com/6115053 Once applied, Devdraw's manual (accessible from the Help menu) will show the following: On Mac OS X 10.6 or later, the

Re: [9fans] Summary of acme chords

2012-04-25 Thread Uriel
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Tom Lieber t...@alltom.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Brian Vito brian.v...@gmail.com wrote: How would you put together the chart without any empty fees? This is how I've always visualized it:  http://alltom.com/files/misc/chords.png Thanks,

Re: [9fans] Summary of acme chords

2012-04-25 Thread Uriel
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 9:34 PM, andrey mirtchovski mirtchov...@gmail.com wrote:  http://alltom.com/files/misc/chords.png a suggestion? http://i.imgur.com/hjFJa.png Ah, that is even better, I added a different green to the held button, and updated the version at: http://acme.cat-v.org/mouse

Re: [9fans] Summary of acme chords

2012-04-25 Thread andrey mirtchovski
But now I'm thinking, the text under Select and Paste should not be the same, unless you are pasting nothing or exactly the text you are pasting over. it needs two entries at each vertex: one for the buffer, one for what's on screen. then the paste becomes: select: scr: hwhw_hw_hwhw buf: wh

Re: [9fans] Summary of acme chords

2012-04-25 Thread Tom Lieber
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 7:23 PM, Uriel ur...@berlinblue.org wrote: On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Tom Lieber t...@alltom.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Brian Vito brian.v...@gmail.com wrote: How would you put together the chart without any empty fees? This is how I've always