Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

> Might be worth posting what wasn't working, and what > you changed to make it work An update to Broadcom's (now Cypress's) firmware for the wifi chip on some pi models caused it to start inserting an extra optional header in event packets from the chip to the cpu. My testing when I updated

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

> Might be worth posting what wasn't working, and what > you changed to make it work, so that others can figure > it out if they run into the same issue. :) This is Richard's work not mine, so he could write it if neccessary, I think. Kenji -- 9fans:

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

> Ok, I got success by Richard's very kind help. > Now, I can use wifi on rpi3B (ARM Cortex-A53) device > using NEC WARPSTAR Aterm WR8170N. Might be worth posting what wasn't working, and what you changed to make it work, so that others can figure it out if they run into the same issue. :)

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

> Ok, I got success by Richard's very kind help. > Now, I can use wifi on rpi3B (ARM Cortex-A53) device > using NEC WARPSTAR Aterm WR8170N. I forgot. It is working on vanilla plan9 by Richard not on 9front device. Kenji -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink:

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

Ok, I got success by Richard's very kind help. Now, I can use wifi on rpi3B (ARM Cortex-A53) device using NEC WARPSTAR Aterm WR8170N. Kenji -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T7f7d56031acb8c77-Mee8e8fe211a2876539479ffc

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

> ether0=type=4330 essid= wificrypt=wpa2 fs= address> auth= Sorry, s/ether0/ether1/ I confused the cmdline.txt for 9front test. I tested your codes by ether1=type=4330 on your bcm system.. Kenji -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink:

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

> What's in your cmdline.txt? --- ether0=type=4330 essid= wificrypt=wpa2 fs= auth= --- Kenji -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tf60f5ce8f06c4c59-M67fc8509fb05474bf5ceae80 Delivery options:

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

> I'm using NEC WARPSTAR WR8170N router, and got the error like: > I compiled 9pi3wifi by using your pi3wifi definition file. I'll look at this tomorrow when I'm back home. What's in your cmdline.txt? -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink:

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

Thank you very much Richard san. > Yes, it does with my two routers (buffalo n300 and fritz!box). I'm using NEC WARPSTAR WR8170N router, and got the error like: I compiled 9pi3wifi by using your pi3wifi definition file. Plan9 from Bell Labs board rev: 0xa02082 firmware rev: 1521643642 cpu0:

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

> Hi, Richard. Konnichi wa Okamoto san, > Your current source can work with wpa2/psk? Yes, it does with my two routers (buffalo n300 and fritz!box). I haven't tested it with anything else. Please let me know if it works for you now. -- 9fans: 9fans

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

> Current raspberry pi kernel source is on 9p.io in > /sources/contrib/miller/9/bcm Hi, Richard. I'm now working to make your ether4330.c to work on 9front system, which is now my base sysytem. Your current source can work with wpa2/psk? I tried your 2018 version, but failed. Kenji

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

> Out of curiosity, what's the process for reclaiming your contrib > directory on 9p.io? I'm happy to spend some time working on polishing > the wiki as well. Please send me and email. -- David du Colombier -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink:

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 2:49 AM David du Colombier <0in...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Thanks. I've fixed the remaining issues. For the most part, I'm glad for the thread. At the very least it convinced me to pull my fileserver out of cold storage last night and bring a couple of CPU servers back

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

> All the man page links are broken, and this will require a change in > wikifs(4). Links to bell-labs.com in the html files in /sys/lib/wiki > also need to be updated. Thanks. I've fixed the remaining issues. -- David du Colombier -- 9fans: 9fans

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

>> cpu% srv -n 9p.io sources /n/sources > > Usually, that's not what people mean when they > say 'site'. Oh, well https://9p.io/sources/patch is another way in, as I expect you know. This is a plan 9 mailing list so it seemed more natural for me to describe things in plan 9 terms, sorry. I

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

Lucio - > BTW, I miss SSH a lot more often than I miss a browser when using > legacy Plan 9. Do you mean using Plan 9 as a ssh server, or client? I haven't tried server mode lately, but I use it often as a client with current linux and mac hosts with no trouble. Have you applied the 2018

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

BTW, I miss SSH a lot more often than I miss a browser when using legacy Plan 9. It keeps being what I would port from 9front immediately if I simply had the skills, the time and the persistence. There are one or two more things that may only pop up once caffeine has had its impact on my rather

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

On 11/24/19, Ori Bernstein wrote: > On Sun, 24 Nov 2019 08:34:32 +0200, Lucio De Re > wrote: > >> We just got a mouthful from sl and you about the lack of explanation >> for the state of the various plan 9 "distributions". It all smacks of >> expecting Da Vinci to update the Mona Lisa because

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 12:32 PM wrote: > > This is a good idea. Let me know how do you want to proceed. > > I will be busy working on other systems until December, > but when I get back, I'll just make the chages to the > wiki. If it's not editable, I'll email a patch to the > 9fans list.

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

On Sun, 24 Nov 2019 08:34:32 +0200, Lucio De Re wrote: > We just got a mouthful from sl and you about the lack of explanation > for the state of the various plan 9 "distributions". It all smacks of > expecting Da Vinci to update the Mona Lisa because somebody would > prefer a high-rise

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

9fans, First let me agree that 9legacy.org is the best destination for this thread, is there a living “vanilla" Plan9. And by “vanilla” I’m talking about what was released and maintained by AT / Lucent / Alcatel, to the end, on January 2015. I applaud the strategy of

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

On 19Nov24:0830-0800, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: > >> The most official looking site for vanilla plan9 is 9p.io. It > >> doesn't show any sign of activity since 2015. > > > > Please look more closely: > > > > cpu% srv -n 9p.io sources /n/sources > > Usually, that's not what people mean when

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

> This is a good idea. Let me know how do you want to proceed. I will be busy working on other systems until December, but when I get back, I'll just make the chages to the wiki. If it's not editable, I'll email a patch to the 9fans list. > 9p.io is a mirror of the former Bell Labs website. >

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

> Actually, you know what, I should put my money > where my mouth is. Would there be objections to > me going through and fixing the links in the > wiki so they point to 9p.io? This is a good idea. Let me know how do you want to proceed. > Is there anyone who would be comfortable explaining > to

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

>> The most official looking site for vanilla plan9 is 9p.io. It >> doesn't show any sign of activity since 2015. > > Please look more closely: > > cpu% srv -n 9p.io sources /n/sources Usually, that's not what people mean when they say 'site'. It's good to see patches being posted, but for

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

ok, that is undeniably activity. now i'm giving an even more *horrible* metric of activity, to defend our confusion at least slightly. 9front activity during the same period: hg log|sed -n '1,/Mar 18.*2016/p'|grep changeset|wc -l 2282 here i give only the count of commits, and hope somebody will

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

> The most official looking site for vanilla plan9 is 9p.io. It > doesn't show any sign of activity since 2015. Please look more closely: cpu% srv -n 9p.io sources /n/sources post... cpu% ls -lrt /n/sources/patch/*/files|tail -24 --rw-rw-r-- M 2032 fstsys 160 Mar 18 2016

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 08:34:32AM +0200, Lucio De Re wrote: > We just got a mouthful from sl and you about the lack of explanation > for the state of the various plan 9 "distributions". It all smacks of > expecting Da Vinci to update the Mona Lisa because somebody would > prefer a high-rise

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

On 11/23/19, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > i'm not sure you got sl's philosophy here. of course he will deny i > do, but here's my interpretation anyway: the public generally seems to > frown upon technology. people don't even want products any more. all > they need is a flashy name. a future

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

On 11/24/19, Kurt H Maier wrote: > > The other repos on that site are either user repos run by random people > who asked me for access, or else various code I've collected around the > internet and did not want to lose. Some of those repos came from Uriel > and I never have figured out what they

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

On Nov 23, 2019, at 9:25 PM, greemngr...@gmail.com wrote: > > I was just curious if it had any chances of coming back or were 9legacy and > 9front the only options. Ah. :-) But why? It is just out of idle curiosity, such as wondering about an old friend you haven't seen in decades or you

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

I was just curious if it had any chances of coming back or were 9legacy and 9front the only options. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tb6b3aefeebeb526d-Mba7731a6c4090275a2d0e91e Delivery options:

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

On Nov 21, 2019, at 10:29 PM, greemngr...@gmail.com wrote: > > The site hasn't been updated since 2014-2015. If it's dead, is there any > chance of it coming back into development? Why do you ask? What do you want to do? -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink:

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 04:35:25PM -0600, Steven Stallion wrote: > The upstream version of Mercurial in the 9front ports collection is > based on my work, not bichued's: > https://code.9front.org/hg/ports/file/5f994209e142/dev-vcs/mercurial/mkfile > That repo is run by 9front users; I just host

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

It is unfortunate that some believe that being caustic is a prerequisite for 9front advocacy. Worse, many 9front advocates become offended by any challenge to claims they make, while at the same time administering personal insults with ease. Fixing the fragmentation doesn't come from starting

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 08:24:41 -0600, Steven Stallion wrote: Against my better judgement... On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 08:24:41 -0600, Steven Stallion wrote: > On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 3:30 AM Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote: > > Grow up. > > Indeed. It's interesting that folks from 9front

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

> The amount of work wasn't much then why bring it up? -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tf27e6479d8812712-M9af22cf877937b18fbd1ae40 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

oh. nobody uses that. i wish that stupid ports repo didn't exist :) -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tf27e6479d8812712-Mbdaaacbda2d5ec3fe7bf687f Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

The upstream version of Mercurial in the 9front ports collection is based on my work, not bichued's: https://code.9front.org/hg/ports/file/5f994209e142/dev-vcs/mercurial/mkfile The amount of work wasn't much, but if you're going to dredge up ancient history, at least be accurate:

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

To follow up, 9front mercurial originated from /n/sources/contrib/bichued/ in 2009. So this is yet another example of the complete lack of discoverability being a source of unending confusion in the Plan 9 community. How many years have people been pissed off about "stolen work" or whatever

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 08:24:41AM -0600, Steven Stallion wrote: > > Indeed. It's interesting that folks from 9front like to tout their > development as "open" using tools that others in the community have > developed in addition to their own. To wit, you seem to have gotten > along quite nicely

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 09:29:14AM +, Richard Miller wrote: > > Never mind, I think I can just about see the gist of what you're > trying to get across. It's meant to be insulting, right? > It's meant to be a practical answer. When people come looking for information, they want to know

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

imo you should not allow insult by who only tried to insult you in weakness of feeling insulted by former accused insult. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tf27e6479d8812712-M9337221a8a9b9afc9a111659 Delivery options:

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

Yeah, WTF. > On 23 Nov 2019, at 14:16, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > >  > I think (hope) this is sarcasm. > >> On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 6:35 AM Aram Hăvărneanu wrote: >> Steve and Richard, >> >> You are a bunch of hypocrites. Bitter old men. >> >> -- >> Aram Hăvărneanu > > 9fans / 9fans / see

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

On 11/23/19, Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote: >> nobody takes any of it seriously because none of them really use >> plan 9 to do anything people use computers to do ... > Never mind, I think I can just about see the gist of what you're > trying to get across. It's meant to be

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

I think (hope) this is sarcasm. On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 6:35 AM Aram Hăvărneanu wrote: > Steve and Richard, > > You are a bunch of hypocrites. Bitter old men. > > -- > Aram Hăvărneanu -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink:

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

On 11/23/19, Aram Hăvărneanu wrote: > Steve and Richard, > > You are a bunch of hypocrites. Bitter old men. > Not hypocrites, not bitter. Old, maybe. Nor am I. One day, Aram, you'll be at the receiving end of criticism or even ridicule. There is no doubt that you are brilliant, and so are many

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

Steve and Richard, You are a bunch of hypocrites. Bitter old men. -- Aram Hăvărneanu -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tf27e6479d8812712-M08bfe720c68d2b835d25e368 Delivery options:

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 3:30 AM Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote: > Grow up. Indeed. It's interesting that folks from 9front like to tout their development as "open" using tools that others in the community have developed in addition to their own. To wit, you seem to have gotten along

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

> nobody takes any of it seriously because none of them really use > plan 9 to do anything people use computers to do Ummm, what? Four instances of universal quantification ("nobody", "any of it", "none of them", "anything") in a sentence which is not even logically self-consistent. Never mind,

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

Not dead; more like Schrödinger's OS. On Fri, Nov 22, 2019, 3:16 PM wrote: > most of these answers don't really answer the question everyone knows > op is asking. why do we always play these games? > > the answer is: no, vanilla plan 9 is not still alive. > > background: > > plan 9's

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

Thanks for the detailed response! -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tf27e6479d8812712-Mc6c53ed3975e6a67d7f2c273 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

most of these answers don't really answer the question everyone knows op is asking. why do we always play these games? the answer is: no, vanilla plan 9 is not still alive. background: plan 9's creators all left bell labs many years ago, and none of them use plan 9 anymore[0]. bell labs

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

Probably pining for the fjords. On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 2:54 AM Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > > It's not dead; it's resting. > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 10:29 PM wrote: >> >> The site hasn't been updated since 2014-2015. If it's dead, is there any >> chance of it coming back into development? > >

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

Den fre 22 nov. 2019 kl 09:55 skrev Skip Tavakkolian : > > It's not dead; it's resting. > The whole "thing" about Plan9 was bringing back the dead so it is thematically on point. > On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 10:29 PM wrote: >> >> The site hasn't been updated since 2014-2015. If it's dead, is there

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

This :) > On Nov 22, 2019, at 1:54 AM, Skip Tavakkolian > wrote: > >  > It's not dead; it's resting. > >> On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 10:29 PM wrote: >> The site hasn't been updated since 2014-2015. If it's dead, is there any >> chance of it coming back into development? > > 9fans / 9fans /

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

It's not dead; it's resting. On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 10:29 PM wrote: > The site hasn't been updated since 2014-2015. If it's dead, is there any > chance of it coming back into development? > *9fans * / 9fans / see discussions >

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

> The site hasn't been updated since 2014-2015. The mirror 9pi.io has more recent patches in /sources/patch. There is also a good selection of patches in 9legacy.org/patch.html Current raspberry pi kernel source is on 9p.io in /sources/contrib/miller/9/bcm So yes, there is current development

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

@Fazul It's active? How does it compare to 9front? -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tb6b3aefeebeb526d-Mf7aaea640f0595311564acf7 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

9legacy might interest you: http://www.9legacy.org/intro.html On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 1:29 AM wrote: > The site hasn't been updated since 2014-2015. If it's dead, is there any > chance of it coming back into development? > *9fans * / 9fans / see discussions >

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

no. On Thu, Nov 21, 2019, 22:30 wrote: > The site hasn't been updated since 2014-2015. If it's dead, is there any > chance of it coming back into development? > *9fans * / 9fans / see discussions > + participants >