Re: [9fans] telnet vs. godaddy whois

2008-04-21 Thread Charles Forsyth
And it will continue to regress until one knowledgeable and independent human being serves as final arbiter of standards. i think some of it eventually will be formalised, much as we do with programming languages (even Javascript, which i mentioned, at least has a plausible grammar), but it

Re: [9fans] telnet vs. godaddy whois

2008-04-21 Thread Wes Kussmaul
erik quanstrom wrote: Charles Forsyth wrote: computing is needlessly regressing. And it will continue to regress until one knowledgeable and independent human being serves as final arbiter of standards. good idea. why don't you ask ken?

Re: [9fans] telnet vs. godaddy whois

2008-04-21 Thread Charles Forsyth
having looked again at ip/tcp.c i think the code wasn't really intending to resolve one of the stalled receiver cases i had in mind, although it happens to do so, so changing it probably doesn't mess up some original intent. mind you, one lesson i take from all this is that in retrospect one

Re: [9fans] telnet vs. godaddy whois

2008-04-17 Thread Bakul Shah
On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:18:31 BST Charles Forsyth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: having said that, i now suspect that sending one byte into a zero-window is not the problem. because the one-byte probe can only be done if there is data to send, and i already knew that a plain connection (dial

Re: [9fans] telnet vs. godaddy whois

2008-04-17 Thread Charles Forsyth
Because of this what is likely happening is that on receiving the PSH bit read() completes and returns to the caller app with a count = 0 which the app must think indicates EOF! that behaviour (by the remote) is correct?

Re: [9fans] telnet vs. godaddy whois

2008-04-17 Thread Charles Forsyth
what's the definition of `wrong' here? Meaning that the patch Eric proposed is probably the better way to deal with ACKs. It wasn't meant to be taken too literally though, hence the I think. what's the definition of `better' here? well, i won't persist in pedantry. i was just

Re: [9fans] telnet vs. godaddy whois

2008-04-17 Thread Charles Forsyth
rfc 742 p. 42 says [...] If the the user signals a push function then the data must be sent even if it is a small segment. by illegal i mean goes contrary to an rfc must. perhaps i'm missing something. i don't see how what was sent is contrary to that requirement. sensible

Re: [9fans] telnet vs. godaddy whois

2008-04-17 Thread Tim Wiess
rfc 742 p. 42 says [...] If the the user signals a push function then the data must be sent even if it is a small segment. by illegal i mean goes contrary to an rfc must. perhaps i'm missing something. i don't see how what was sent is contrary to that requirement.

Re: [9fans] telnet vs. godaddy whois

2008-04-17 Thread Charles Forsyth
to be fair, this is one reason a few programming languages have non-trivial validation suites, much of which check probable or historical misunderstandings, and those suites are usually too small. it takes a fair amount of back-and-forth through the natural language text to build a supposedly

Re: [9fans] telnet vs. godaddy whois

2008-04-17 Thread Charles Forsyth
Has anybody ever experienced this problem before with any of there P9 systems? I haven't. not this particular problem, but years ago i had problems with plan 9 or perhaps it was inferno (originally) not implementing the window test correctly (leading to a RST storm with an incorrect AIX

Re: [9fans] telnet vs. godaddy whois

2008-04-16 Thread Russ Cox
does anyone know why telnet has trouble with this? ; echo godaddy.com|telnet -nr /net.alt/tcp!whois.godaddy.com!43 connected to /net.alt/tcp!whois.godaddy.com!43 on /net.alt/tcp/12 ; from a similarly-connected linux machine, linux telnet returns a lengthy answer. It's not