Re: [9fans] So, why Plan 9?

2010-10-12 Thread Anssi Porttikivi
Why Plan 9? Because on one of these days some big company (hint: where are the ex Bell Labsers working with a very much Plan 9 / inferno / Limbo insipired new programming language) adopts the Plan 9 / Inferno in a a more or less varied incarnation. I could imagine Android having a new kernel not

Re: [9fans] So, why Plan 9?

2010-10-12 Thread Aleksandar Kuktin
On Mon, 11 Oct 2010 13:45:02 +, Bruce Ellis wrote: Very succinct, and better than I could do 'til the coffee kicks in. You could have pointed out that the entire source tree is smaller than the gcc manual. WAT!?! Ahem.. pardon my manners please, but this caught me completely of guard.

Re: [9fans] So, why Plan 9?

2010-10-12 Thread Max E
If I recall correctly, Ape is a complete POSIX implementation including Bourne shell, C libraries, etc. I think there are also ports of some of the GNU extended utilities as well. On Tue, 2010-10-12 at 08:33 +, Aleksandar Kuktin wrote: Is there already an implemented.. POSIX compatibility

Re: [9fans] So, why Plan 9?

2010-10-12 Thread Max E
For any use-case I personally care about (and probably any workstation/server use case you care about as well,) the Linux kernel with the GNU userspace will blow anything out of the water, both in performance and usability. If you don't recognize this you're sticking your head in the sand. I know

Re: [9fans] So, why Plan 9?

2010-10-12 Thread yy
2010/10/12 Max E maxxed...@comcast.net: For any use-case I personally care about (and probably any workstation/server use case you care about as well,) the Linux kernel with the GNU userspace will blow anything out of the water, both in performance and usability. I don't think the GNU

Re: [9fans] So, why Plan 9?

2010-10-12 Thread Steve Simon
Is there already an implemented.. POSIX compatibility layer, library, or something? Hopefully, something that is very, very thin?? http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/ape.pdf this will allow you to recompile nice clean ansi posix code. compiling gnu code may require more work as much of it is

Re: [9fans] So, why Plan 9?

2010-10-12 Thread Jacob Todd
There's APE, the Ansi Posix Environment. On Oct 12, 2010 4:40 AM, Aleksandar Kuktin akuk...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 11 Oct 2010 13:45:02 +, Bruce Ellis wrote: Very succinct, and better than I could do 'til the coffee kicks in. You could have pointed out that the entire source tree is

Re: [9fans] So, why Plan 9?

2010-10-12 Thread Mark Carter
On Oct 12, 9:21 am, porttik...@gmail.com (Anssi Porttikivi) wrote: we really do not need protocols above the network layer, but HTTP, SMTP, DNS, SOAP, IIOP, IMAP, IRC, SSH, SSL, TP, SNMP and hundred others can all be replaced by remote file access. This sounds pretty interesting. You may

Re: [9fans] So, why Plan 9?

2010-10-12 Thread David Leimbach
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 1:51 AM, Max E maxxed...@comcast.net wrote: If I recall correctly, Ape is a complete POSIX implementation including Bourne shell, C libraries, etc. I think there are also ports of some of the GNU extended utilities as well. Not to mention you can get firefox to run

Re: [9fans] So, why Plan 9?

2010-10-12 Thread Steve Simon
the twitter example you gave is perhaps too simple, could the tweets not just be text written to a publicly writable file. the users could connect with 9p but as the user none son they will need no auth. better examples of the everything is a file aproach are wikifs (a file server which prvides

Re: [9fans] So, why Plan 9?

2010-10-12 Thread Aleksandar Kuktin
On Tue, 12 Oct 2010 11:27:45 +, Steve Simon wrote: Is there already an implemented.. POSIX compatibility layer, library, or something? Hopefully, something that is very, very thin?? http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/ape.pdf this will allow you to recompile nice clean ansi posix code.

[9fans] beagleboard

2010-10-12 Thread Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan
hi, if i am right, about a year back ron mentioned plan9 is being ported to beagleboard. any update on this? did geoff mention in his talk yesterday (i assume he is also involved in this work)? thanks dharani

Re: [9fans] beagleboard

2010-10-12 Thread Jacob Todd
It was mentioned in Geoff's talk yesterday, I don't recall what was said though. I think something about vga. It's archived on livestream.com/iwp9 On Oct 12, 2010 3:36 PM, Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan vdhar...@gmail.com wrote: hi, if i am right, about a year back ron mentioned plan9 is being

Re: [9fans] beagleboard

2010-10-12 Thread Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan
hi jacob, thanks. i did see that video but didn't complete it since it either got stuck or had too many ads. i will go thru the video again. regards dharani On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Jacob Todd jaketodd...@gmail.com wrote: It was mentioned in Geoff's talk yesterday, I don't recall what

[9fans] ron's talk

2010-10-12 Thread ron minnich
watch this first http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upzKj-1HaKw

Re: [9fans] beagleboard

2010-10-12 Thread ron minnich
/sys/src/9/beagle I think it works but have not run it for some time. On this note ... anybody figured out FTDI and OSX? I have no serial to my ARMs any more. ron

Re: [9fans] beagleboard

2010-10-12 Thread David Leimbach
My latest solution was to run a Plan 9 VM and use it :-). But no :-( On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 2:43 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: /sys/src/9/beagle I think it works but have not run it for some time. On this note ... anybody figured out FTDI and OSX? I have no serial to my ARMs

Re: [9fans] beagleboard

2010-10-12 Thread ron minnich
Found the problem. OpenRD uses a non-standard 5 pin microusb connector, and I had the wrong cable. I keep forgetting the vagaries of the usb sub-standard. ron