Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop

2012-10-18 Thread arnold
erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: The question is rather: What killed the Plan 9 desktop? poor special effects? - erik The Plan 9 desktop was never aimed at the consumer market, which is what Miguel was bemoaning for Linux. Plan 9 was never even aimed the broader Unix / software

Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop

2012-10-18 Thread tlaronde
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:05:08PM +0200, Christoph Lohmann wrote: The question is rather: What killed the Plan 9 desktop? Having forgotten that a market for a sensible solution is a niche market. Only stupidity and lack of reflexion can replace the what do I need with i don't know what I

Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop

2012-10-18 Thread Balwinder S Dheeman
On 10/18/2012 01:35 AM, Christoph Lohmann wrote: Greetings comrades. On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 22:05:08 +0200 Aharon Robbins arn...@skeeve.com wrote: This says a lot, rather nicely: http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2012/Aug-29.html Having lived through the Unix wars of the 80s and 90s, it's

Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop

2012-10-18 Thread Oleksandr Iakovliev
On 2012-10-18 11:03 , Balwinder S Dheeman wrote: On 10/18/2012 01:35 AM, Christoph Lohmann wrote: Greetings comrades. On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 22:05:08 +0200 Aharon Robbins arn...@skeeve.com wrote: This says a lot, rather nicely: http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2012/Aug-29.html Having

[9fans] sheevaplug SD card driver

2012-10-18 Thread Richard Miller
As a side effect of the raspberry pi work, I've produced an SD card driver for the sheevaplug (and presumably other kirkwood platforms). It's in two sections: the top layer does the card protocol and is identical between rpi and kw (could go into /sys/src/9/port?), while the lower layer does the

Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop

2012-10-18 Thread Nemo
that's what I thought. :) On Oct 18, 2012, at 2:10 PM, Oleksandr Iakovliev yshu...@lynxline.com wrote: On 2012-10-18 11:03 , Balwinder S Dheeman wrote: On 10/18/2012 01:35 AM, Christoph Lohmann wrote: Greetings comrades. On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 22:05:08 +0200 Aharon Robbins arn...@skeeve.com

Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop

2012-10-18 Thread Brian L. Stuart
The question is rather: What killed the Plan 9 desktop? 1) Lack of modern GUI and GUI development kit 2) Lack of Object Oriented GUI configuration tools 3) Lack of a decent web0browser 4) Lack of a decent communication/messaging client 5) Lack

Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop

2012-10-18 Thread erik quanstrom
erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: The question is rather: What killed the Plan 9 desktop? poor special effects? - erik The Plan 9 desktop was never aimed at the consumer market, which is [...] that was supposed to be a switcheroo, not a comment on plan 9 graphics or the

Re: [9fans] new-topic: typographical interface

2012-10-18 Thread Albert Skye
erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: The question is rather: What killed the Plan 9 desktop? poor special effects? it's just resting! but maybe it should die yes no modern GUI, c. (and I'm grateful for that! :) but Plan 9 (and other software) can be much more useful by exposition

Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop

2012-10-18 Thread yard-ape
http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2012/Aug-29.html If developmental stability was all it took to attract third party developers then why didn't FreeBSD win the desktop a decade ago? Or indeed Plan 9 (I suppose this is reductio)?

Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop

2012-10-18 Thread Pavel Klinkovsky
Dne čtvrtek, 18. října 2012 14:23:03 UTC+2 Oleksandr Iakovliev napsal(a): 1) Lack of modern GUI and GUI development kit ... But that's the list of benefits, isn't? :) I mostly agree except the browser. I would appreciate a well working browser in the P9 too. ;) Pavel

Re: [9fans] sheevaplug SD card driver

2012-10-18 Thread David du Colombier
Would anyone with a sheevaplug or similar, and a collection of SD cards, like to try it out before I submit a patch? I just tried with various 2 GB to 16 GB Kingston SD and microSD (with adapter) cards on my SheevaPlug and it works like a charm. Thanks for your very nice work. -- David du

Re: [9fans] new-topic: typographical interface

2012-10-18 Thread Julius Schmidt
the solution is to just stop worrying and love the bitmap font because there are more important things in life. such as not inserting spurious new lines in mailing list posts. On Thu, 18 Oct 2012, Albert Skye wrote: erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: The question is rather: What

Re: [9fans] new-topic: typographical interface

2012-10-18 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 07:20:47AM -0700, Albert Skye wrote: erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: The question is rather: What killed the Plan 9 desktop? poor special effects? it's just resting! but maybe it should die yes no modern GUI, c. (and I'm grateful for that! :)

Re: [9fans] sheevaplug SD card driver

2012-10-18 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
Thanks!!! I plan to try it out on sheeva and guru later today. On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 5:42 AM, Richard Miller 9f...@hamnavoe.com wrote: As a side effect of the raspberry pi work, I've produced an SD card driver for the sheevaplug (and presumably other kirkwood platforms). It's in two

Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop

2012-10-18 Thread Robert Raschke
A well working browser is an OS these days. A bit of a dilemma that. ;-) On Oct 18, 2012 3:25 PM, Pavel Klinkovsky pavel.klinkov...@gmail.com wrote: Dne čtvrtek, 18. října 2012 14:23:03 UTC+2 Oleksandr Iakovliev napsal(a): 1) Lack of modern GUI and GUI development kit ...

Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop

2012-10-18 Thread erik quanstrom
A well working browser is an OS these days. A bit of a dilemma that. ;-) you overestimate how complicated an os needs to be. - erik

Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop

2012-10-18 Thread John Floren
Precisely. The correlation between what makes something good and what makes something popular is small but negative. One of the primary reasons I stopped using Linux was that it was becoming too mainstream and just like all the commercial junk out there. I too find Linux too mainstream:

Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop

2012-10-18 Thread Oleksandr Iakovliev
On 2012-10-18 18:52 , erik quanstrom wrote: A well working browser is an OS these days. A bit of a dilemma that. ;-) you overestimate how complicated an os needs to be. - erik Browsers are on the dark side - they have cookies

Re: [9fans] new-topic: typographical interface

2012-10-18 Thread Corey Thomasson
On Oct 18, 2012 11:44 AM, Kurt H Maier kh...@intma.in wrote: On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 07:20:47AM -0700, Albert Skye wrote: erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: The question is rather: What killed the Plan 9 desktop? poor special effects? it's just resting! but maybe it

Re: [9fans] new-topic: typographical interface

2012-10-18 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 03:37:57PM -0400, Corey Thomasson wrote: Everyday I'm slightly more convinced that you're a highly sophisticated Markov chain. How do you feel about you're a highly sophisticated Markov chain?

Re: [9fans] I found this discussion pretty funny

2012-10-18 Thread Charles Forsyth
http://planb.lsub.org/ls/octopus.html is a user interface that includes graphics, exploits name space representations, and doesn't just mimic the xerox desktop.

Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop

2012-10-18 Thread Calvin Morrison
On Oct 18, 2012 2:34 PM, Skip Tavakkolian skip.tavakkol...@gmail.com wrote: Erudite Glenda in Winter? On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 10:17 AM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: Precisely. The correlation between what makes something good and what makes something popular is small but negative.