Re: [9fans] sad commentary

2008-07-22 Thread sqweek
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 8:35 PM, erik quanstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, public 9grids. Though judging by gdiaz's experiences with sirviente, there's a bit of work to be done in that area - I get the impression things are fairly unstable once the machine gets under memory pressure.

Re: [9fans] sad commentary

2008-07-22 Thread Kernel Panic
sqweek wrote: On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 8:35 PM, erik quanstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, public 9grids. Though judging by gdiaz's experiences with sirviente, there's a bit of work to be done in that area - I get the impression things are fairly unstable once the machine gets under memory

Re: [9fans] sad commentary

2008-07-22 Thread erik quanstrom
Swap doesnt work reliable here. :-( I have disabled swaping and let the kernel kill the biggest process skipping any critical server processes and it works well. got ~100 days uptime and i use this machine for linuxemu development/testing. i'm curious as to what is taking so much memory. -

Re: [9fans] sad commentary

2008-07-22 Thread C H Forsyth
the alternative is to add very large amounts of code to the kernel. not really. the alternative is to add some code to the kernel, and varying amounts of code to quite a few applications.

Re: [9fans] sad commentary

2008-07-22 Thread Charles Forsyth
no adding very large amounts of code... maybe fix the swap... or even remove it alltogether. assuming it doesn't work now, the paging code used to work, at least in the sense of survive --i used 8l to link kernels on a 4mbyte 386sx16 -- so i imagine it's just a matter of repairing it, if it

Re: [9fans] sad commentary

2008-07-22 Thread sqweek
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 11:50 PM, Charles Forsyth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no adding very large amounts of code... maybe fix the swap... or even remove it alltogether. assuming it doesn't work now, the paging code used to work, at least in the sense of survive --i used 8l to link kernels on a

Re: [9fans] Building new kernel.

2008-07-22 Thread a
The kernel mkfiles don't know how to build dependencies from the cmd tree. The mk you're doing knows fossil is missing or out of date, but not how to do anything about it. Build it yourself. I mk all of /sys/src/cmd to be safe, but you could just hit the list you need for your kernel (whatever

Re: [9fans] Building new kernel.

2008-07-22 Thread Robert Hibberdine
Thank you both for your infromative replies. A 'mk all' in /sys/src/cmd gave errors so I am doing a pull now Bob

Re: [9fans] Building new kernel.

2008-07-22 Thread Robert Hibberdine
erik quanstrom wrote: I am having trouble building a new kernel for a terminal. I do mk 'CONF=pcf' and I get the error mk: don't know how to make '/386/bin/fossil/fossil' in directory /sys/src/9/pc does /386/bin/fossil/fossil exist? if not, it's a little worrying that it

Re: [9fans] Building new kernel.

2008-07-22 Thread erik quanstrom
Ok. I pulled and remade fossil which got over that error. But now I do mk 'CONF=pcf' and get size 9pcf links: incompatible type signitures ..(for a whole load of init files ie tcpinit, udpinit etc) and then mk: 8c -FTVv '-DKERNDATE='`{date ... : exit status=rc 1887: 8l 1891

Re: [9fans] Building new kernel.

2008-07-22 Thread erik quanstrom
this would be expected due to the pull which sets the mtimes of new files to be older than the .8s. try mk clean before proceeding. i should explain that type signatures are 32-bit signatures in .$O files that define the type of external symbols. the c compiler sets the type signature to zero

Re: [9fans] Building new kernel.

2008-07-22 Thread Charles Forsyth
it will work perfectly if the -T flag is not given (since there is a deep assumption in plan 9 that int == long). but i the not exactly. it will work on most Unix systems and on Plan 9 without -T because nothing checks external types across object module boundaries. the linker/loader in both

Re: [9fans] Building new kernel.

2008-07-22 Thread erik quanstrom
not exactly. it will work on most Unix systems and on Plan 9 without -T because nothing checks external types across object module boundaries. the linker/loader in both systems will allocate in BSS the largest size seen for a given symbol, so it doesn't matter whether int == long or not.

Re: [9fans] Building new kernel.

2008-07-22 Thread Robert Hibberdine
erik quanstrom wrote: Ok. I pulled and remade fossil which got over that error. But now I do mk 'CONF=pcf' and get size 9pcf links: incompatible type signitures ..(for a whole load of init files ie tcpinit, udpinit etc) and then mk: 8c -FTVv '-DKERNDATE='`{date ... : exit status=rc

Re: [9fans] 9vx ip stack and page assertion

2008-07-22 Thread a
There have been several discussions on this list about 9vx's IP stack being different from normal Plan 9 in the last two weeks; you should check those out. The short version is that 9vx uses the host networking rather than its own, and (more- or-less) consequently the kernel device presents a more

Re: [9fans] Building new kernel.

2008-07-22 Thread Charles Forsyth
not exactly. it will work on most Unix systems and on Plan 9 without -T because nothing checks external types across object module boundaries. the linker/loader in both systems will allocate in BSS the largest size seen for a given symbol, so it doesn't matter whether int == long or not.

[9fans] 9vx ip stack and page assertion

2008-07-22 Thread thagonzo
Hi! I'am new to 9vx/p9p and try to configure /net. # uname -a FreeBSD r60e 7.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE #2: Wed Jul 9 17:33:56 UTC 2008 gonzo@:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 % bind -b '#I' /net % ip/ipconfig -g 192.168.0.1 ether /net/ether0 192.168.0.32 255.255.255.0 ipconfig: no

Re: [9fans] Building new kernel.

2008-07-22 Thread Jerome Ibanes
9, mk: no recipe to make 'pptpd.8' in directory /sys/src/cmd/ip does /sys/src/cmd/ip/pptpd.c exist? if not, there must be an error in the pull database on sources. you can copy it by hand with 9fs sources cp -x /n/sources/plan9/sys/src/cmd/ip/pptpd.c /sys/src/cmd/ip/ Erik, it

Re: [9fans] Building new kernel.

2008-07-22 Thread erik quanstrom
Erik, it already exists and has the same MD5 checksum than the one in sources. i'm fresh out of ideas, then. what i know is a) it build just fine on my system, but i don't use pull. b) if for some xyzw mk requires xyzw.8 and there's no xyzw.$x so that there's a mk rule like so %.8: %.$x, i get

Re: [9fans] Building new kernel.

2008-07-22 Thread Jerome Ibanes
9, mk: no recipe to make 'pptpd.8' in directory /sys/src/cmd/ip does /sys/src/cmd/ip/pptpd.c exist? if not, there must be an error in the pull database on sources. you can copy it by hand with 9fs sources cp -x /n/sources/plan9/sys/src/cmd/ip/pptpd.c /sys/src/cmd/ip/ Erik, it

[9fans] Sam on 9pm or plan9port

2008-07-22 Thread Benjamin Huntsman
As far as I could find, there isn't a newer version of sam for Windows then the one from 9pm, so I started trying to port the plan9port version. So far, I got all of the stuff in the sam/ directory to compile. I'm stuck on lib9, though, since it doesn't compile on Windows in its current form.

Re: [9fans] Sam on 9pm or plan9port

2008-07-22 Thread Edward Hirgelt
Benjamin Huntsman wrote: might it be more straightforward to modify the plan9port sam to run on 9pm, or would the only way to get it running on Windows be to port the whole lib9 from p9p at the same time? ... I hate Windows, but alas, it's what I have to live with for my job .. Here is a

Re: [9fans] Sam on 9pm or plan9port

2008-07-22 Thread Benjamin Huntsman
could p9p possibly compile and run under Cygwin? Might be an easier port... MinGW might be preferable, as drawterm uses it, and again might be easier... Neither would work out of the box, though. An extra of indirection may not be the most efficient thing, but... My approach thus far has been

Re: [9fans] Sam on 9pm or plan9port

2008-07-22 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
dt can be compiled using either mingw or ms tools. might want to read rsc's recent post about 9vx port to windows and the relative ease compared to porting p9p. could p9p possibly compile and run under Cygwin? Might be an easier port... MinGW might be preferable, as drawterm uses it, and

Re: [9fans] Sam on 9pm or plan9port

2008-07-22 Thread Steve Simon
I have a long term project to get somthing like p9p running under windows though my goal is to use a windows box as a plan9 cpu server so /dev/draw is not a priority. My approach is very similar to Russ's p9p for windows alpha on swtch.com but it is many months away from finished - i get a day a

Re: [9fans] Building new kernel.

2008-07-22 Thread Jerome Ibanes
what i know is a) it build just fine on my system, but i don't use pull. b) if for some xyzw mk requires xyzw.8 and there's no xyzw.$x so that there's a mk rule like so %.8: %.$x, i get the following error message ; mk xyzw.8 mk: no recipe to make 'xyzw.8' in directory

Re: [9fans] Building new kernel.

2008-07-22 Thread Jerome Ibanes
Bob, mk: don't know how to make '/386/bin/fossil/fossil' in directory /sys/src/9/pc touch /386/bin/fossil/fossil then you can mk 'CONF=pcf' if you want. Hope this helps, Jerome Ibanes

Re: [9fans] Building new kernel.

2008-07-22 Thread Russ Cox
touch /386/bin/fossil/fossil then you can mk 'CONF=pcf' if you want. if you are trying to boot from a fossil root and do this, your kernel will not be able to successfully mount the root filesystem. don't do this if you expect to boot. Only if there was no /386/bin/fossil/fossil before.