[9fans] Questions about plan9.

2008-11-04 Thread nolan . h . hamilton
Hi, I just recently fell in love with plan9, it's a great operating system, However there are somethings I do not know how to do. 1. How can I get internet through a ethernet cord?(I am not sure which ethernet card I have , but the computer I have is a Dell Dimension 1100.) 2. Were can I get a

Re: [9fans] mmap

2008-11-04 Thread Charles Forsyth
time travel plots reminds me of an obscure but splendid czech film that i've only seen once http://filmjournal.net/czech/2006/09/18/tomorrow-ill-wake-up-and-scald-myself-with-tea/ but have yet to find on DVD. it is very funny.

Re: [9fans] punched cards live

2008-11-04 Thread Eris Discordia
i think it's a tradition at this point to use 0x20 and not 0x00 to fill a fixed-with signature. ata identify device uses 0x20 to fill out fixed-width fields like the serial number. i'd be interested where this tradition popped up. 0 would make more sense. I risk being wrong--as always--and

Re: [9fans] Questions about plan9.

2008-11-04 Thread C H Forsyth
ut I used both of you commands, no error messages ip/ipconfig -D will print a little bit more (and i mean `a', `little' and `bit')

Re: [9fans] mmap and shared libraries

2008-11-04 Thread Eris Discordia
I can run Plan 9 quite nicely in 128 MB of RAM. In the same amount of memory FreeBSD is paging nightmare, despite it's wonderfully complex shared library environment. You're wrong. Case in point: my FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE installation on a 233 MHz PII (one of those Slot 1 processors) with 128 MB

Re: [9fans] mmap

2008-11-04 Thread ron minnich
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 11:15 PM, Andrew Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't want to imply that Ron is quite such an old fart as me, but somehow I don't get the impression that he was a kid in 1981, when Time Bandits came out. Ron, if you could give some clue as to when you saw the movie,

Re: [9fans] mmap and shared libraries

2008-11-04 Thread ron minnich
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 7:06 AM, Eris Discordia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Attempts to live boot Plan 9 on the same machine fail because some 9wacko believes CD-ROM drives must be secondary master or something--and I won't move a jumper to suit a 9wacko's whim; not that I've ever been asked to

Re: [9fans] punched cards live

2008-11-04 Thread David Leimbach
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 7:25 AM, Eris Discordia [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: i think it's a tradition at this point to use 0x20 and not 0x00 to fill a fixed-with signature. ata identify device uses 0x20 to fill out fixed-width fields like the serial number. i'd be interested where this tradition

Re: [9fans] Questions about plan9.

2008-11-04 Thread Nolan Hamilton
Can somebody give me instructions on 1. How can I can configure mail? ( and do not just redirect me to the wiki page on it.) 2. How can I read newsgroups on plan9? Internet works and everything.

Re: [9fans] Questions about plan9.

2008-11-04 Thread Robert Raschke
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Nolan Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can somebody give me instructions on 1. How can I can configure mail? ( and do not just redirect me to the wiki page on it.) :-) Do you mean reading mail or setting up a mail server? For the former, the easiest is to use

Re: [9fans] mmap

2008-11-04 Thread Kim Shrier
On Nov 4, 2008, at 9:02 AM, ron minnich wrote: On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 11:15 PM, Andrew Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't want to imply that Ron is quite such an old fart as me, but somehow I don't get the impression that he was a kid in 1981, when Time Bandits came out. Ron, if you

Re: [9fans] Quick question on stopping a process that waits for IO

2008-11-04 Thread erik quanstrom
Is there any way I can poke the target process so that it gets attention from the scheduler an can be put in a Stopped state? I know, I know we all don't like those guys who talk to themselves on mailing lists replying to their own emails, but since there were no takers here's what I

Re: [9fans] mmap

2008-11-04 Thread Bakul Shah
On Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:15:04 +1300 Andrew Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't want to imply that Ron is quite such an old fart as me, but somehow I don't get the impression that he was a kid in 1981, when Time Bandits came out. Ron, if you could give some clue as to when you saw the

Re: [9fans] Questions about plan9.

2008-11-04 Thread hiro
Thanks alot, people in comp.os.plan9 are much more polite then in comp.os.vms. you should not be too sure about that *g*

Re: [9fans] Questions about plan9.

2008-11-04 Thread Nolan Hamilton
On Nov 4, 7:06 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Raschke) wrote: On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Nolan Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can somebody give me instructions on 1.  How can I can configure mail? ( and do not just redirect me to the wiki page on it.) :-) Do you mean reading

Re: [9fans] mmap

2008-11-04 Thread David Leimbach
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 8:43 PM, Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * ron minnich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wish I could remember. It had the usual guys in silvery suits. They walk through a frame and are back in time. Key point was, at the end, that they ended up escaping but for

Re: [9fans] Questions about plan9.

2008-11-04 Thread Pietro Gagliardi
On Nov 4, 2008, at 8:04 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I just recently fell in love with plan9, it's a great operating system, However there are somethings I do not know how to do. 1. How can I get internet through a ethernet cord?(I am not sure which ethernet card I have , but the computer

[9fans] Programming tutorial draft

2008-11-04 Thread Pietro Gagliardi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 /n/sources/contrib/pietro/programming.pdf This only covers files, processes, and little else. I began a part on segments, but I don't know if it will stay. I haven't touched it since August, but I plan to start it again perhaps in a few days.

Re: [9fans] Programming tutorial draft

2008-11-04 Thread ericvh
ah come on, PDFs are so 2002, where's the you tube video? -eric On Nov 4, 2008 5:54pm, Pietro Gagliardi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 /n/sources/contrib/pietro/programming.pdf This only covers files, processes, and little else. I began a part on

Re: [9fans] Programming tutorial draft

2008-11-04 Thread Pietro Gagliardi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sorry, it also covers Runes. On Nov 4, 2008, at 6:54 PM, Pietro Gagliardi wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 /n/sources/contrib/pietro/programming.pdf This only covers files, processes, and little else. I began a part on

Re: [9fans] Programming tutorial draft

2008-11-04 Thread Jeff Sickel
A suggestion for the next app to be supported in linuxemu: DjVu. Since we don't have a C++ compiler outside of older versions of gcc, getting a linux version of DjVuLibre up and running would be fantastic. -jas On Nov 4, 2008, at 6:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ah come on, PDFs are so

[9fans] aha! that pesky OSX gui failure case

2008-11-04 Thread Jeff Sickel
At IWP9 I demonstrated a certain condition where Inferno and drawterm would fail to start up the gui environment w/o entering a nice spinning cursor on Leopard. As it turns out, there is a third party application that causes this case to rear it's ugly head: Audio Hijack Pro (fantastic

Re: [9fans] Time travel

2008-11-04 Thread Jack Johnson
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Make that Get off of my Wifi! Those crazy kids with their Hulu loops. -J

[9fans] /dev/cputemp

2008-11-04 Thread erik quanstrom
i dug out the code i wrote some time ago to read cpu temperature (or the closest stand in for it i could find) on most modern amd and intel processors. it's wrapped up with a change to extend the model macro so that conroe l processors don't appear to be xeons.

Re: [9fans] Quick question on stopping a process that waits for IO

2008-11-04 Thread Roman V. Shaposhnik
On Mon, 2008-11-03 at 17:01 -0800, ron minnich wrote: On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 9:55 PM, Roman Shaposhnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: when somebody tries to stop a process that is waiting for the IO the process doesn't get transferred to a Stopped state immediately but only when the scheduler

Re: [9fans] Questions on notes

2008-11-04 Thread Roman V. Shaposhnik
On Mon, 2008-11-03 at 18:48 +, Brian L. Stuart wrote: Frankly, I was trying to see whether an external process reading on somebody else's /proc/n/note would make any sense. One thing that I wanted to implement was a note thief process that would constantly read on a target's

Re: [9fans] Quick question on stopping a process that waits for IO

2008-11-04 Thread erik quanstrom
I'm glad you've asked ;-) In fact, there's a bigger context and it is around managing processes run by cpu(1) from the terminal host. I was planning on writing an email on that subject to this list over the weekend but I need to amass some level of intelligence in that area first. For

Re: [9fans] Quick question on stopping a process that waits for IO

2008-11-04 Thread erik quanstrom
I'm asking is -- dear kernel, please don't advance this process even if you otherwise can. All I need is a frozen state so that I can not so easy on a multiprocessor. (unless you turn all but one processor off.) - erik

Re: [9fans] Quick question on stopping a process that waits for IO

2008-11-04 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Nov 4, 2008, at 8:01 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: I'm asking is -- dear kernel, please don't advance this process even if you otherwise can. All I need is a frozen state so that I can not so easy on a multiprocessor. (unless you turn all but one processor off.) Hm. May be its getting late,

Re: [9fans] Quick question on stopping a process that waits for IO

2008-11-04 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Nov 4, 2008, at 8:00 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: i don't think the kernel has this level of control. let's suppose that we have a process that gets a stop message that's doing i/o. let's suppose that it's doing io to a particularly cranky device with lots of neat locks that really hates

Re: [9fans] Questions on notes

2008-11-04 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Nov 3, 2008, at 9:41 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frankly, I was trying to see whether an external process reading on somebody else's /proc/n/note would make any sense. One thing that I wanted to implement was a note thief process that would constantly read on a target's /proc/n/note and

Re: [9fans] mmap and shared libraries

2008-11-04 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Nov 3, 2008, at 5:16 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A thought ... Shared libraries do 2 possibly useful things: 1) save space 2) stop you having to re-link when a new library is released. Now 2) doesn't really happen anyway, due to .so versioning hell, so we're left with 1) ... I know it's

Re: [9fans] Questions on notes

2008-11-04 Thread ron minnich
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Roman Shaposhnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 3, 2008, at 9:41 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frankly, I was trying to see whether an external process reading on somebody else's /proc/n/note would make any sense. One thing that I wanted to implement was a note

Re: [9fans] mmap and shared libraries

2008-11-04 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
A standalone statically linked binary is going to be considerable larger while in flight over data links. But that static binary only flies once, geting sucked into memory with a (mostly) simple bcopy equiv at process launch time. Shared memory regimes thrash the living daylights out of MMUs