Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-08 Thread erik quanstrom
9p is not going to replace fuse now, if ever, on these systems. That's not to say that 9p goes away. But it's not worth worrying about whether FUSE will have more users -- it already has and it probably always will. if the winner is determined by usage (silly criteria, i think), the winner

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-08 Thread erik quanstrom
Sure. But that would an argument in favor of the Plan 9/Inferno kernel architecture, not the protocol itself. Nobody's denying that 9P is a perfect match to that kind of kernel architecture. What I'm trying to find out is whether the protocol could stand its own ground even if Plan9 kernel is

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-08 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
It seems that MS is pushing webdav hard. On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 12:47 PM, erik quanstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure. But that would an argument in favor of the Plan 9/Inferno kernel architecture, not the protocol itself. Nobody's denying that 9P is a perfect match to that kind of kernel

Re: [9fans] Cannot boot from:

2008-11-08 Thread Rodolfo kix Garcia
Your CD-Rom is SATA? If it is, try to change it to legacy mode in BIOS and try Trask Bryant Trojanek escribió: I am using a Dell Latitude CPx laptop, trying to install Plan 9. I successfully get to the boot from: line, but anything I put into the entry gives back no feedback. I have tried

Re: [9fans] yes, comcast really *does* suck

2008-11-08 Thread LiteStar numnums
Actually, there is a decent amount of noise over switching back to UUCP or the like to avoid the types of restrictions governments corporations are attempting to put on the 'net. Can't wait. :| On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 9:09 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you have to love comcast.

[9fans] Driver-writing workshop at iwp9?

2008-11-08 Thread Venkatesh Srinivas
Hi, Did the driver-writing workshop that was talked about months ago happen at IWP9? If so, is there video? Thanks, -- vs

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-08 Thread Charles Forsyth
It seems that MS is pushing webdav hard. that's what's needed when heavy things run out of fuel.

Re: [9fans] Driver-writing workshop at iwp9?

2008-11-08 Thread erik quanstrom
Did the driver-writing workshop that was talked about months ago happen at IWP9? If so, is there video? it was discussed but there was no workshop and no videos. - erik

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-08 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
It seems that MS is pushing webdav hard. that's what's needed when heavy things run out of fuel. to paraphrase Edison, MS' genius is 1% development and 99% marketing.

Re: [9fans] mmap and shared libraries

2008-11-08 Thread Eris Discordia
Little troll, thy baiting f'r fray-- My thoughtless passage has flushed away Am not _I_ a troll like thee, Or art not _thou_ a Goddess like me? Practice your technique, little troll, while you have time to do mischief under the Goddess' nose! --On Friday, November 07, 2008 6:07 PM -0800

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-08 Thread akumar
Well, they do have a branch called MicroSoft Research that they seem fond of putting money into. And apparently, a portion of that has gone into making an Inferno/Plan 9 -equivalent, thus far dubbed, MS Singularity. Development has been going on for quite some time, it seems. Think it'll

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-08 Thread Russ Cox
On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 10:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, they do have a branch called MicroSoft Research that they seem fond of putting money into. And apparently, a portion of that has gone into making an Inferno/Plan 9 -equivalent, thus far dubbed, MS Singularity. Development has

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-08 Thread Brantley Coile
And don't forget MS' programming motto, 'Don't think; Type!' On Nov 8, 2008, at 12:21 PM, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: It seems that MS is pushing webdav hard. that's what's needed when heavy things run out of fuel. to paraphrase Edison, MS' genius is 1% development and 99% marketing.

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-08 Thread John Barham
It seems that MS is pushing webdav hard. that's what's needed when heavy things run out of fuel. Even as a potential substitute for ftp webdav is a farce. Speaking from personal experience, the amount of XML you need to generate for a directory listing is at least 20 times the size of the

Re: [9fans] mmap and shared libraries

2008-11-08 Thread Noah Evans
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 9:21 AM, Eris Discordia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Little troll, thy baiting f'r fray-- My thoughtless passage has flushed away Am not _I_ a troll like thee, Or art not _thou_ a Goddess like me? Practice your

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-08 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Nov 8, 2008, at 4:11 AM, Francisco J Ballesteros wrote: It seems that MS is pushing webdav hard. True. But it is not MS that worries me in this particular case. At least they don't have anything to offer yet. This: http://docs.amazonwebservices.com/AmazonS3/2006-03-01/ on the other

Re: [9fans] mmap and shared libraries

2008-11-08 Thread Bruce Ellis
Noah is dangerously wise. Have you got rid of the smell of mackerel yet? Seriously Eris, you need a good hobby. And if I was your physician I would recommend medication. A SSRI or maybe a simple Benzo. Maybe twice a day, or when required. brucee On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 11:37 PM, Noah Evans

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-08 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Nov 8, 2008, at 11:15 AM, John Barham wrote: It seems that MS is pushing webdav hard. that's what's needed when heavy things run out of fuel. Even as a potential substitute for ftp webdav is a farce. Speaking from personal experience, the amount of XML you need to generate for a

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-08 Thread Bruce Ellis
I wrote a functional 9P S3 client but it just seemed silly in the end. Buy a few T of disk and fossil+venti and it's over. Even aging kenfs will do. brucee On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 12:13 AM, Roman Shaposhnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 8, 2008, at 4:11 AM, Francisco J Ballesteros wrote: It

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-08 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Nov 8, 2008, at 2:19 PM, Bruce Ellis wrote: I wrote a functional 9P S3 client but it just seemed silly in the end. Buy a few T of disk and fossil+venti and it's over. Even aging kenfs will do. The most ironic thing of all is that one would expect a company which stood behind a technology

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-08 Thread Bruce Ellis
Hmmm, that's politics ... and here is mine - I forgot how much fun journalism is. I'm two hours late for filing, oh well. brucee On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 12:59 AM, Roman Shaposhnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 8, 2008, at 2:19 PM, Bruce Ellis wrote: I wrote a functional 9P S3 client but it

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-08 Thread erik quanstrom
Even as a potential substitute for ftp webdav is a farce. Speaking from personal experience, the amount of XML you need to generate for a directory listing is at least 20 times the size of the equivalent ftp listing, and then you twiddle your thumbs waiting for the webdav client to parse and

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-08 Thread ron minnich
On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Roman Shaposhnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The most ironic thing of all is that one would expect a company which stood behind a technology like ZFS to easily appreciate that. Especially since we've always had a userland ZFS. And especially now, that we are

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-08 Thread Mechiel Lukkien
On Sat, Nov 08, 2008 at 02:16:39PM -0800, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: On Nov 8, 2008, at 11:15 AM, John Barham wrote: It seems that MS is pushing webdav hard. that's what's needed when heavy things run out of fuel. Even as a potential substitute for ftp webdav is a farce. Speaking from

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-08 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Nov 8, 2008, at 3:11 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: Even as a potential substitute for ftp webdav is a farce. Speaking from personal experience, the amount of XML you need to generate for a directory listing is at least 20 times the size of the equivalent ftp listing, and then you twiddle

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-08 Thread Bakul Shah
It's not just the PHBs. I showed the original 9p (for 2.0.36) in 1998 to a fair number of linux people, and back then I had private name spaces, union mounts, user level servers, in fact just about all you get in plan 9 today and STILL don't get in linux. They were strongly convinced there

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-08 Thread LiteStar numnums
Well they took Cyclone made Vault C, so they might as well go along with Inferno/Plan9 too. Interestingly enough, Singularity is written in Sing#, yet another MS-specific language. ugh. I think F# is the only thing to have recently escaped MSR (well, besides LINQ, although they killed Comega).

Re: [9fans] photos of iwp9

2008-11-08 Thread sqweek
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Kernel Panic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/contrib/cinap_lenrek/photos/iwp9.2008/dscn0195.jpg I have this sudden impulse to start using abaco... -sqweek

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-08 Thread erik quanstrom
purely virtual infrastructure for rolling out services is a good idea but the pieces aren't there yet. also, it assumes that the vm/vs service provider will be able to provide as good or better quality of service as you would maintaining your own infrastructure. one also needs to deal with