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2009-10-14 Thread ron minnich
And, hey, maybe lantronics will actually sell them ... I still haven't heard back from ionics. ron -- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:24 AM Subject: world's smallest Linux networking server To: ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com This is an odd little part, you

[9fans] where are the results of GSoC 2009 hosted?

2009-10-14 Thread Skip Tavakkolian

Re: [9fans] where are the results of GSoC 2009 hosted?

2009-10-14 Thread Jason Catena
we'll post an update here when actual source code produced during this year's Google Summer of Code has been made available on project hosting on Google Code. http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2009/08/wrapping-our-fifth-google-summer-of.html Some mentoring orgs already posted results.

[9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-14 Thread Tim Newsham
Rethinking multi-core systems as distributed heterogeneous systems. Thoughts? http://www.sigops.org/sosp/sosp09/papers/baumann-sosp09.pdf Tim Newsham http://www.thenewsh.com/~newsham/

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-14 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Tim Newsham news...@lava.net wrote: Rethinking multi-core systems as distributed heterogeneous systems.  Thoughts? Somehow this feels related to the work that came out of Berkeley a year or so ago. I'm still not convinced what is the benefits of multiple

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-14 Thread Tim Newsham
Somehow this feels related to the work that came out of Berkeley a year or so ago. I'm still not convinced what is the benefits of multiple kernels. If you are managing a couple of 100s of cores a single kernel would do just fine, once the industry is ready for a couple dozen of thousands PUs --

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-14 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
I'm not familiar with the berkeley work. Me either. Any chance of some references to this?

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-14 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
And how does one deal with heterogeneous cores and complex on chip interconnect topologies? Barrelfish also gas a nice benefit in that it could span coherence domains. There's no real evdence that single kernels do well with hundreds of real cores (as opposed to hw threads) - in fact most

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-14 Thread Noah Evans
http://ramp.eecs.berkeley.edu/ Tim: Andrew Baumann is aware of Plan 9 but their approach is quite a bit different. They are consciously avoiding the networking issue as well(they've been asked to extend their messaging model to the network and have actively said they're not interested). On Wed,

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-14 Thread erik quanstrom
http://ramp.eecs.berkeley.edu/ Tim: Andrew Baumann is aware of Plan 9 but their approach is quite a bit different. They are consciously avoiding the networking issue as well(they've been asked to extend their messaging model to the network and have actively said they're not interested).

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-14 Thread Noah Evans
Have you read the paper? I don't think you understand the difference in scope or goals here. On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:45 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@coraid.com wrote: http://ramp.eecs.berkeley.edu/ Tim: Andrew Baumann is aware of Plan 9 but their approach is quite a bit different. They are

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-14 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Oct 14, 2009, at 3:42 PM, Noah Evans wrote: http://ramp.eecs.berkeley.edu/ Tim: Andrew Baumann is aware of Plan 9 but their approach is quite a bit different. They are consciously avoiding the networking issue as well(they've been asked to extend their messaging model to the network and

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-14 Thread Noah Evans
Do want. On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 12:10 AM, Eric Van Hensbergen eri...@gmail.com wrote: On Oct 14, 2009, at 3:42 PM, Noah Evans wrote: http://ramp.eecs.berkeley.edu/ Tim: Andrew Baumann is aware of Plan 9 but their approach is quite a bit different. They are consciously avoiding the

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-14 Thread David Leimbach
Did you find any ideas there particularly engaging? I'm still digesting it. My first thoughts were that if my pc is a distributed heterogeneous computer, what lessons it can borrow from earlier work on distributed heterogeneous computing (ie. plan9). I found the discussion on cache

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-14 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Tim Newsham news...@lava.net wrote: I'm not familiar with the berkeley work. Sorry I can't readily find the paper (the URL is somewhere on IMAP @Sun :-() But it got presented at the Birkeley ParLab overview given to us by Dave Patterson. They were talking thin

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-14 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
And how does one deal with heterogeneous cores and complex on chip interconnect topologies? Good question. Do they have to be heterogeneous? My oppinion is that the future of big multicore will be more Cell-like. There's no real evdence that single kernels do well with hundreds of real cores