[9fans] So, why Plan 9?
I was reading the suckless.org website the other day, and they seemed quite keen on Plan 9. I am running Linux. Is there a useful summary document that explains where plan9port fits in with Glendix, and why anyone should care about Plan 9 anyway (hope that doesn't come across as rude)?
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Re: [9fans] So, why Plan 9?
Hi Mark ! Plan9 IS (and was) research os prototype. I use it because I'm interested in ideas that was included in original UNIX and Plan9 (inferno) Read more documents at - http://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/1st_edition/designing_plan_9 Linux is another os, it imported ideas from Plan9 (/proc, private namespaces) On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Mark Carter alt.mcar...@gmail.com wrote: I was reading the suckless.org website the other day, and they seemed quite keen on Plan 9. I am running Linux. Is there a useful summary document that explains where plan9port fits in with Glendix, and why anyone should care about Plan 9 anyway (hope that doesn't come across as rude)? -- С наилучшими пожеланиями Жилкин Сергей With best regards Zhilkin Sergey
Re: [9fans] So, why Plan 9?
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Mark Carter alt.mcar...@gmail.com wrote: I was reading the suckless.org website the other day, and they seemed quite keen on Plan 9. I am running Linux. Is there a useful summary document that explains where plan9port fits in with Glendix, and why anyone should care about Plan 9 anyway (hope that doesn't come across as rude)? Most of the people who can answer best are currently at the Plan 9 Workshop (http://www.iwp9.org/), so they'll doubtless chip in a wee bit later. Plan 9 is a research OS that has had a quite amazing impact on most other Unix type OSes. For example: UTF-8, process filesystem (generalised to use a filesystem as a well defined abstraction mechanism), recursive window systems (ie. a full windowing system inside a window, not 100% sure who did it first, but the Plan 9 one is amazingly consistent and so easy to use it makes others look clunky), and full historical filesystem (remember everything you ever did using snapshots). Plan 9 is not a polished end user OS! Robby
Re: [9fans] So, why Plan 9?
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Robert Raschke rtrli...@googlemail.comwrote: On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Mark Carter alt.mcar...@gmail.comwrote: I was reading the suckless.org website the other day, and they seemed quite keen on Plan 9. I am running Linux. Is there a useful summary document that explains where plan9port fits in with Glendix, and why anyone should care about Plan 9 anyway (hope that doesn't come across as rude)? Most of the people who can answer best are currently at the Plan 9 Workshop (http://www.iwp9.org/), so they'll doubtless chip in a wee bit later. Plan 9 is a research OS that has had a quite amazing impact on most other Unix type OSes. For example: UTF-8, process filesystem (generalised to use a filesystem as a well defined abstraction mechanism), recursive window systems (ie. a full windowing system inside a window, not 100% sure who did it first, but the Plan 9 one is amazingly consistent and so easy to use it makes others look clunky), and full historical filesystem (remember everything you ever did using snapshots). Plan 9 is not a polished end user OS! Robby Oh, and most of the Plan 9 tools were first made available to use outside the Plan 9 OS through Russ Cox's plan9 in user space effort ( http://swtch.com/plan9port/). And there's the virtualisation project vx32 that includes Plan 9 as an example. Not sure how they fit into a holistic view. They're more like pragmatic ways forward when you can't (or don't want to) run a stand alone OS. One of the great things in Plan 9 is the readability of the code. You can actually dive in and see how it all works without needing an augmented brain. Although it may require adjusting your thinking to a let's try to manage all this complexity a bit better mindframe. And that can take a bit of time and effort. But it's well worth it. Robby
Re: [9fans] So, why Plan 9?
why anyone should care about Plan 9 anyway Because: getting things right the first time around is much more of a practical matter than you may at first realize. Nick
Re: [9fans] So, why Plan 9?
Very succinct, and better than I could do 'til the coffee kicks in. You could have pointed out that the entire source tree is smaller than the gcc manual. But as I say - do what you like. I know people who would rather spend $5k on an Apple PC than $200 on a slicker plan9 box. I have my FS (venti + fossil) on a USB wristband. Take that penguin heads. Just the semi-delirious jots from early morning brucee. On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 4:53 AM, Nick LaForge nicklafo...@gmail.com wrote: why anyone should care about Plan 9 anyway Because: getting things right the first time around is much more of a practical matter than you may at first realize. Nick
Re: [9fans] IWP9 Schedule?
On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 8:22 AM, Eric Van Hensbergen eri...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 10:31 PM, andrey mirtchovski mirtchov...@gmail.com wrote: let me know when the live streaming starts. don't want to miss any of the joke made at my expense :P being as its live, it should start when the conference starts. Although knowing me, it'll probably take Ron's opening remarks for me to get the kinks worked out so you might miss those tasty tidbits. But that's what you get for not driving over the rockies Andrey. -eric Even though I'm a local, I'm pretty sick today, and will probably have to attend via streaming if I knew how to do that :-). I figure it's better than spreading disease across the international plan 9 community.
Re: [9fans] So, why Plan 9?
getting it right: - less code in plan 9 than in most configure scripts (hard to believe but true) - plan 9 memory management code is 1 file, linux is 55 - almost no assembly in plan 9 ; # lines assembly is GROWING in linux - growth of linux code size is exponential (this is part of the getting it right issue) it's always good to have a system that gets closer to getting it right around, as a reminder if nothing else. ron
[9fans] live streaming?
hi, is there a link for live streaming of the conference? i tried to locate one but couldn't. thanks dharani
Re: [9fans] live streaming?
http://www.livestream.com/iwp9 On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan vdhar...@gmail.com wrote: hi, is there a link for live streaming of the conference? i tried to locate one but couldn't. thanks dharani
Re: [9fans] live streaming?
livestream.com/iwp9 I think eric won't let me try it. ron
Re: [9fans] live streaming?
I tried it for a few seconds and it worked, don't tell Eric. On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 2:19 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: livestream.com/iwp9 I think eric won't let me try it. ron
Re: [9fans] live streaming?
FWIW, it's working fine from here, at Madrid. Thanks a lot for the broadcast :) On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan vdhar...@gmail.com wrote: hi john/ron, thanks! i am watching the session now. dharani On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 11:19 AM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: livestream.com/iwp9 I think eric won't let me try it. ron
Re: [9fans] live streaming?
Only thing working fine here is the ads :-). It seems to be archiving ok, but the livestream servers are totally horked for me right now Total opposite here. The live stream was running fine. But duriong the lunch break I've been trying to watch Geoff's session from this morning from the archive. It took half an hour to get through the first six or so minutes, which, sadly, is just everyone debugging the projection system :-) I guess we wait for the mpegs later. It would be nice if someone could chop the first n minutes from Geoff's archived video so that it starts where the real content is. --lyndon
Re: [9fans] live streaming?
i found the video on demand working fine after people had dispersed for the lunch break. On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Steve Simon st...@quintile.net wrote: unwatchable here too sadly, geoff's talk is fine up to the end of the introduction, then it stalls. perhaps their server will be in a better state tomorrow. -Steve
Re: [9fans] live streaming?
Yeah it looks great now. On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 1:24 PM, andrey mirtchovski mirtchov...@gmail.comwrote: i found the video on demand working fine after people had dispersed for the lunch break. On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Steve Simon st...@quintile.net wrote: unwatchable here too sadly, geoff's talk is fine up to the end of the introduction, then it stalls. perhaps their server will be in a better state tomorrow. -Steve
Re: [9fans] Python
You should be able to add -D _C99_SNPRINTF_EXTENSION to your That worked thanks. Thanks for the overview as well. Ian
