Re: [9fans] fOSSa

2010-10-27 Thread SHRIZZA
> I think my wrists seized up just thinking about programming in XML. Don't worry; that's just a natural RefleX. Ha-ha...

Re: [9fans] kw audio -- /dev/audio and friends

2010-10-27 Thread Anthony Sorace
> the other problem with both volume and audioctl will come with multiple > streams. in1 and out1 might work, but it starts to look ugly. usbaudio > appears to ignore multiple inputs or outputs. i'm not entirely sure what you mean by "streams" in this context. multiple inputs or outputs? if so, m

Re: [9fans] kw audio -- /dev/audio and friends

2010-10-27 Thread Tristan Plumb
> Anthony: > The one for audioctl is reasonably regular and comprehensive; it'd be > nice to standardize our audio interfaces around that. my concern with audioctl is multiple channels. for now control-left and control-right are fine (if clunky), with 5.1 (or 7.1) audio that becomes control^(1 2 3

Re: [9fans] Tread and alarm

2010-10-27 Thread Adriano Verardo
cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote: you have to implement flush in the 9p server. -- cinap Ah ... I've just (re)read the 9p(2) man page ... it seems clear now. Thank you very much, cinap :-) Subject: [9fans] Tread and alarm

Re: [9fans] iwp9 video?

2010-10-27 Thread EBo
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Re: [9fans] Tread and alarm

2010-10-27 Thread Adriano Verardo
erik quanstrom wrote: The client is (really?) suspended until Tread, but the read() sys call cannot be interrupted by alarm(). i didn't understand your errata If the are no available data, the file server doesn't do r->ofcall.count = 0; response(r, nil); but just enqueue the Req and pro

Re: [9fans] Tread and alarm

2010-10-27 Thread cinap_lenrek
you have to implement flush in the 9p server. -- cinap --- Begin Message --- Hi, all In a user space file server (9p(2)/9pfile(2)/...) I postpone the Rread response if there are no available data, in order to implement a suspensive read(). The client is (really?) suspended until Tread, but th

Re: [9fans] Tread and alarm

2010-10-27 Thread erik quanstrom
> The client is (really?) suspended until Tread, but the read() sys call > cannot be interrupted by alarm(). i didn't understand your errata, so to clarify, read(2) is interruptable with a note (modulo the file server, but that's a different story). here's a program that demonstrates: ; 8.read

Re: [9fans] Tread and alarm

2010-10-27 Thread Adriano Verardo
Errata: ... alarm note is received after Rread, as if the ... sorry :-) Adriano Verardo wrote: Hi, all In a user space file server (9p(2)/9pfile(2)/...) I postpone the Rread response if there are no available data, in order to implement a suspensive read(). The client is (really?) suspended

Re: [9fans] kw audio -- /dev/audio and friends

2010-10-27 Thread David Leimbach
It seems like that would be a reasonable approach, to translate one older interface to the next, if needed, as a compatibility FS. In fact, one such compatibility FS could serve several translations. The best way to deal is to force everyone to update now, or cease functioning, in my opinion. Th

Re: [9fans] A little more ado about async Tclunk

2010-10-27 Thread Bruce Ellis
It does. And eliminates deadly embraces when servers misbehave. No wuckers. brucee On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 2:54 AM, Venkatesh Srinivas wrote: > Oh, no, it wasn't meant as a defense! It was much more a 'hmm, only two > hours can produce fairly solid performance gains; perhaps this deserves a > m

[9fans] Tread and alarm

2010-10-27 Thread Adriano Verardo
Hi, all In a user space file server (9p(2)/9pfile(2)/...) I postpone the Rread response if there are no available data, in order to implement a suspensive read(). The client is (really?) suspended until Tread, but the read() sys call cannot be interrupted by alarm(). It seems to me that the

Re: [9fans] kw audio -- /dev/audio and friends

2010-10-27 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
would it be hard to provide the backward compatibility via a user fs -- at least until apps are updated to the new structure? On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Anthony Sorace wrote: > I've misplaced my USB audio kit, but I'm reasonably sure I read from > /dev/audio (and a cursory reading of the

Re: [9fans] iwp9 video?

2010-10-27 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
I will not buy this record; it is scratched. On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Bela Valek wrote: > There are actual Hungarians on this mailing list, I am sure that we > can be of assistance :) > > On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 4:41 PM,   wrote: >> can they do hungarian subtitles? >> >> -- >> cinap >> >

Re: [9fans] iwp9 video?

2010-10-27 Thread Bela Valek
There are actual Hungarians on this mailing list, I am sure that we can be of assistance :) On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 4:41 PM, wrote: > can they do hungarian subtitles? > > -- > cinap > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Eric Van Hensbergen > To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell L

Re: [9fans] file servers lib9p -v- kernel

2010-10-27 Thread erik quanstrom
> I think the major change writing for the kernel is I am responsible for > keeping the Path in the Chan up to date as the I get service > fscreate, fsclone (just bump refernce count), and fswalk. > > I'am not sure how I should leave the Path of walk if the walk fails? the best way to approach th

Re: [9fans] kw audio -- /dev/audio and friends

2010-10-27 Thread Anthony Sorace
I've misplaced my USB audio kit, but I'm reasonably sure I read from /dev/audio (and a cursory reading of the source suggests that ought to work). Is there any reason to do otherwise? I don't know what audioin is intended to buy. Given that it's never been in audio(3), I'm not sure it's importan

[9fans] file servers lib9p -v- kernel

2010-10-27 Thread Steve Simon
I have written a few file servers under lib9p and lib9pfile, I am now trying to write a kernel file server and just a little unsure about the differences. I think the major change writing for the kernel is I am responsible for keeping the Path in the Chan up to date as the I get service fscreate,

Re: [9fans] A little more ado about async Tclunk

2010-10-27 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Charles Forsyth wrote: >>Sorry that wing-commander can't package it for today. > > sorry old boy, it wasn't LMF: at first we thought it was a wizard wheeze, but > one of the sprogs had a prang with the bally old semantics and the other > brass hats ordered it bac

Re: [9fans] A little more ado about async Tclunk

2010-10-27 Thread John Floren
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Gorka Guardiola wrote: > On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Charles Forsyth > wrote: >>>Sorry that wing-commander can't package it for today. >> >> sorry old boy, it wasn't LMF: at first we thought it was a wizard wheeze, >> but one of the sprogs had a prang with

Re: [9fans] kw audio -- /dev/audio and friends

2010-10-27 Thread Tristan Plumb
> - why do you assume that the old interface was not considered > sufficient? if volume were sufficient, there was no reason to add audioctl. > - if you read usb(4) the first sentence on usb audio notes the > interface is backwards compatable. it notes that the names are backwards compatable, but

Re: [9fans] A little more ado about async Tclunk

2010-10-27 Thread Gorka Guardiola
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Charles Forsyth wrote: >>Sorry that wing-commander can't package it for today. > > sorry old boy, it wasn't LMF: at first we thought it was a wizard wheeze, but > one of the sprogs had a prang with the bally old semantics and the other > brass hats ordered it bac

Re: [9fans] A little more ado about async Tclunk

2010-10-27 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
I'm reaching out for Vaughan right now. You might google for that if that's an unknown... On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Gorka Guardiola wrote: > On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Charles Forsyth > wrote: >>>Sorry that wing-commander can't package it for today. >> >> sorry old boy, it wasn't L

Re: [9fans] A little more ado about async Tclunk

2010-10-27 Thread Charles Forsyth
>Sorry that wing-commander can't package it for today. sorry old boy, it wasn't LMF: at first we thought it was a wizard wheeze, but one of the sprogs had a prang with the bally old semantics and the other brass hats ordered it back to the boffins

Re: [9fans] kw audio -- /dev/audio and friends

2010-10-27 Thread erik quanstrom
> i am not offering to change the interface, but to implement a simpler > third interface (as usbaudio implements volume). poor diction on my part. > > the point is that there are currently two semi-incompatable interfaces, > do people consider the current two adequate? (apparently volume was not,

Re: [9fans] UPDATE: raw video from iwp9

2010-10-27 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
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Re: [9fans] kw audio -- /dev/audio and friends

2010-10-27 Thread Lucio De Re
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 08:30:29AM -0400, Tristan Plumb wrote: > > i am not offering to change the interface, but to implement a simpler > third interface (as usbaudio implements volume). poor diction on my part. > No one is going to "reject" your efforts, although it may be harder to get them "a

Re: [9fans] kw audio -- /dev/audio and friends

2010-10-27 Thread Tristan Plumb
> Changing a device's file format in a backwards-incompatible way > is not something to be done lightly. In addition to changing all > drivers you'd have to change every user program that reads from > or writes to them, even ones that you don't know exist. i am not offering to change the interfac