Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-18 Thread ron minnich
coreboot got rejected too and we had 5 years in a row. Don't feel bad. I think they're trying to make sure that they don't get the same players year after year, which is a good idea IMHO. ron

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-18 Thread erik quanstrom
On Sun Mar 18 16:32:12 EDT 2012, rminn...@gmail.com wrote: coreboot got rejected too and we had 5 years in a row. Don't feel bad. I think they're trying to make sure that they don't get the same players year after year, which is a good idea IMHO. thanks, ron. that's reason enough to try

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-18 Thread Joseph Stewart
So this all makes me wonder why some social aggregation group (aka stack overflow or reddit/programming) or even just a big group of decentralized nerds couldn't just do a variant of GSoC on our own. Lining up mentors and mentees particularly w/o big biz or school backing is kinda what open

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-18 Thread John Floren
I think being able to pay the students is what really makes GSoC work. It adds an additional dimension that makes it a lot harder to just say, Oh, I'm bored with this, I quit. John On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Joseph Stewart joseph.stew...@gmail.com wrote: So this all makes me wonder why

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-18 Thread Joseph Stewart
I guess I didn't realize there was pay involved. How about a kick-starter approach? Think it'd work? On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 3:20 PM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: I think being able to pay the students is what really makes GSoC work. It adds an additional dimension that makes it a lot

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-18 Thread John Floren
Kickstarter works because the people on Kickstarter are interested in whatever the project is producing. A book, a video game, other products. Plan 9 has a small community and an even smaller number of people who actually use it. Unfortunately, I don't think there's enough money there to pay for 1

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-18 Thread erik quanstrom
On Sun Mar 18 19:51:00 EDT 2012, j...@jfloren.net wrote: Kickstarter works because the people on Kickstarter are interested in whatever the project is producing. A book, a video game, other products. Plan 9 has a small community and an even smaller number of people who actually use it.

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-18 Thread Calvin Morrison
On 18 March 2012 20:37, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: On Sun Mar 18 19:51:00 EDT 2012, j...@jfloren.net wrote: Kickstarter works because the people on Kickstarter are interested in whatever the project is producing. A book, a video game, other products. Plan 9 has a small

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-18 Thread erik quanstrom
I am a student who would be interested in doing GSOC next year. In reality it all comes down to getting paid though. Like someone mentioned, very little work gets done on free will, so gsoc is a good approach. (especially implementing not so fun things nobody dares touch) that's one way of

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-18 Thread Calvin Morrison
On 18 March 2012 22:04, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: I am a student who would be interested in doing GSOC next year. In reality it all comes down to getting paid though. Like someone mentioned, very little work gets done on free will, so gsoc is a good approach. (especially

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-18 Thread erik quanstrom
Agreed - people do tend to perform better when working on a project they are really invested in. But if that was true enough, wouldn't tons of people be stepping up to support plan9 development? If not, then obviously it's not worth anyone's time. your argument seems to me to be an

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-18 Thread Calvin Morrison
On 18 March 2012 22:16, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: Agreed - people do tend to perform better when working on a project they are really invested in. But if that was true enough, wouldn't tons of people be stepping up to support plan9 development? If not, then obviously it's

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-18 Thread andrew zerger
It feels like the kind of thing I always wind up saying to someone who want's to learn about computers. .. You need a reason that you really care about, or odds are you probably wont make it that far. Leading a horse to water thing. Or else, you dont have a reason but by golly you can learn and do

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-18 Thread Tristan
that's one way of looking at it. another way of looking at it is that the best jobs are the ones that you'd do anyway. and one could argue these lucky people get the best job done. as someone who's currently doing some of it anyway, work on plan9 would be delightful. but i'm not so sure i'd