Re: [9fans] Adding a new user on 9-Front

There is too much to learn, so one must be selective. Much published is not worth learning. Plan9 is worthy. Persevere! Almost a haiku... -Steve PS: Been on the whiskey, sorry. Merry Christmas everyone.

Re: [9fans] 9vx on Mac OSX 10.9.1

On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 13:04:18 +0900 arisawa wrote: > Hello, > > After recent update of OSX, 9vx puts to the console very noisy messages > such as: > 2013-12-18 10:49:13.529 9vx.OSX[588:1503] Warning - conversion from 64 > bit to 32 bit integral value requested within NSPortCoder, but the 64 > bit

[9fans] 9vx on Mac OSX 10.9.1

Hello, After recent update of OSX, 9vx puts to the console very noisy messages such as: 2013-12-18 10:49:13.529 9vx.OSX[588:1503] Warning - conversion from 64 bit to 32 bit integral value requested within NSPortCoder, but the 64 bit value 140734683798163 cannot be represented by a 32 bit value …

Re: [9fans] Ideas from Plan-9

On Mon Dec 23 22:37:27 EST 2013, bl...@mcbride.name wrote: > Hope my feedback is a help. I'm ready to try more whenever you are. it is, but also as anyone else is, you are welcome to submit patches fixing issues. apatch/create issuename email@sub.domain file - erik

Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

> i've had several experiences where that would be very handy, and am > likely to have more soon. maybe it can make it into 9atom or contrib? 9fs atom; cat /n/atom/plan9/sys/src/cmd/aux/norio.c no man page yet. - erik

Re: [9fans] Ideas from Plan-9

Hope my feedback is a help. I'm ready to try more whenever you are. Thanks! Blake On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 9:30 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: > On Mon Dec 23 22:14:10 EST 2013, bl...@mcbride.name wrote: > > > Thanks for the new boot trial. I am still getting an error on my HP as > > follows: > >

Re: [9fans] Ideas from Plan-9

On Mon Dec 23 22:14:10 EST 2013, bl...@mcbride.name wrote: > Thanks for the new boot trial. I am still getting an error on my HP as > follows: > > ehci . qh . timed out (no inter?) > > It did boot but I am getting those errors on the screen. Please let me > know if more info would be h

Re: [9fans] Ideas from Plan-9

Thanks for the new boot trial. I am still getting an error on my HP as follows: ehci . qh . timed out (no inter?) It did boot but I am getting those errors on the screen. Please let me know if more info would be helpful. Hope this helps. Thanks! Blake On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 7:03

Re: [9fans] Adding a new user on 9-Front

A quote I like from the 80s at the Labs - "netnews is like standing up in a crowded theater and shouting 'anyone wanna buy a used car?'". Please consider when posting to his list that you might be doing the same. (Not directed at anyone specifically). brucee On 24 December 2013 13:49, Skip Ta

Re: [9fans] Adding a new user on 9-Front

Please make sure to include "tact sucks" on the list. > On Dec 23, 2013, at 4:57 PM, andrey mirtchovski wrote: > > I feel a "community code of conduct" doc forthcoming in this list's future. > > I'll copy/pasta the one from go-nuts, where the discussion surrounding it was > very lively

Re: [9fans] Encoding private RSA key to PEM with p9p

Ok thanks for the help. I'm trying to use it with 9vx + lastest 9front rootfs that already have this patch applied. I put my client private key into factotum like this: % cat client.key.plan9 >> /mnt/factotum/ctl Then I'm trying to dial with tlsclient: % tlsclient -D -c client.crt.pem -t ca.crt.

Re: [9fans] Ideas from Plan-9

> http://newftp.9atom.org/other/+usbinstamd64.bz2 resolves (www vs. newftp). i'm sorry should be ftp, though. thanks for the correction! - erik

Re: [9fans] Adding a new user on 9-Front

I feel a "community code of conduct" doc forthcoming in this list's future. I'll copy/pasta the one from go-nuts, where the discussion surrounding it was very lively

Re: [9fans] Ideas from Plan-9

http://newftp.9atom.org/other/+usbinstamd64.bz2 resolves (www vs. newftp). d On 24/12/2013, at 9:44 AM, Blake McBride wrote: > I am having trouble with that link. Is it correct? > > Thanks. > > Blake > > > > On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 5:11 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: > On Thu Dec 19 20:54:04

Re: [9fans] Adding a new user on 9-Front

Quoting Blake McBride : There is value in a community. Irrelevant; the question at hand is whether your specific participation in a community enhances its value. On the other hand, you can live in a cave and do whatever you like if you wish. *This* is a false dichotomy. I choose *not* to

Re: [9fans] Adding a new user on 9-Front

Quoting erik quanstrom : On Mon Dec 23 17:10:13 EST 2013, s...@9front.org wrote: isn't this a false dichotomy? rudeness doesn't preserve value. Neither does gladhanding. it's easy to point out past mistakes. do you think these were obvious at the time they were made? Whether they were

Re: [9fans] Adding a new user on 9-Front

>> What remains of Plan 9 might be a better example of failing to seek >> out community in order to preserve the value, which is sometimes >> not clearly perceived by the interested few who show up at the party. > > isn't this a false dichotomy? rudeness doesn't preserve value. The TUPE[0] -relat

Re: [9fans] Ideas from Plan-9

I am having trouble with that link. Is it correct? Thanks. Blake On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 5:11 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: > On Thu Dec 19 20:54:04 EST 2013, conor.willi...@gmail.com wrote: > > > ack, thanks... > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 1:44 AM, erik quanstrom >wrote: > > > > > > her

Re: [9fans] Ideas from Plan-9

On Thu Dec 19 20:54:04 EST 2013, conor.willi...@gmail.com wrote: > ack, thanks... > > > On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 1:44 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: > > > > here you go... effectless... > > > > > > apologies from "Windows Movie Maker" > > > > > > ... also on google+ > > > > problem diagnosed. "mwait

Re: [9fans] Adding a new user on 9-Front

On Mon Dec 23 17:10:13 EST 2013, s...@9front.org wrote: > > There is value in a community. > > What remains of Plan 9 might be a better example of failing to seek > out community in order to preserve the value, which is sometimes > not clearly perceived by the interested few who show up at the par

Re: [9fans] Adding a new user on 9-Front

> There is value in a community. What remains of Plan 9 might be a better example of failing to seek out community in order to preserve the value, which is sometimes not clearly perceived by the interested few who show up at the party. Conversely, UNIX diverged from its original design philosophy

Re: [9fans] Adding a new user on 9-Front

On Dec 23, 2013, at 16:45, Blake McBride wrote: > money to pay core contributors (you?) http://mveety.com/just-send-the-money All proceeds go to me, the majority of which then go to khm.

Re: [9fans] Adding a new user on 9-Front

On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Kurt H Maier wrote: > ... > > Speaking of assumptions, I'm not convinced 'increasing the number of users' > does anyone any good. It didn't help Windows any. > > khm > Although number of users may not translate into a quality system (Microsoft is a prime example

Re: [9fans] Adding a new user on 9-Front

Quoting Blake McBride : Documentation is always clear to people who already know the material but use the documentation as a reminder. It is difficult for a newbie to differentiate out-of-date material, branch specific material, and valid documentation. I am providing feedback from a newbie's

Re: [9fans] Adding a new user on 9-Front

Thanks for the input. I am making an increased effort to search before asking. I intuitively sense that Plan 9 has something significant to offer based on the little I know. The actual mechanics have been a challenge for me. Constructive feedback is deeply appreciated. On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at

Re: [9fans] Adding a new user on 9-Front

right right. my mistake. :) -- cinap

Re: [9fans] Adding a new user on 9-Front

I somewhat agree that some of the answers you are getting have somewhat been (sometimes, not all, and not constantly) been insulting. But a year or so ago I was also a Plan9 newbie, and I just read the manuals when I didn't know how to do something. I followed some long-ago-read advice of first sma

Re: [9fans] Adding a new user on 9-Front

On Mon Dec 23 15:04:54 EST 2013, bl...@mcbride.name wrote: > On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Kurt H Maier wrote: > > Or perhaps we use the documentation as a way to weed out people who cannot > > reason. > > Documentation is always clear to people who already know the material but > use the doc

Re: [9fans] Adding a new user on 9-Front

Documentation is always clear to people who already know the material but use the documentation as a reminder. It is difficult for a newbie to differentiate out-of-date material, branch specific material, and valid documentation. I am providing feedback from a newbie's perspective. You can eithe

Re: [9fans] Adding a new user on 9-Front

On Mon Dec 23 14:30:58 EST 2013, cinap_len...@felloff.net wrote: > or man -p an equiv would be "man -P", but "man -p" does work, though it's a completely different approach and looks different due to font handling. - erik

Re: [9fans] Adding a new user on 9-Front

or man -p -- cinap

Re: [9fans] Adding a new user on 9-Front

> If most commands are in > lowercase, it might make sense to use uppercase names as things that need > to be specified. If you view man pages as typeset with troff, you will see them in their full glory with syntactic categories suggested by different fonts. Instead of typing 'man cmd' try 'man

Re: [9fans] Adding a new user on 9-Front

Quoting Blake McBride : Or perhaps: echo newuser USER-NAME >>/srv/cwfs.cmd replace USER-NAME with the new user's name. If most commands are in lowercase, it might make sense to use uppercase names as things that need to be specified. Or perhaps we use the documentation as a way to weed out

Re: [9fans] Adding a new user on 9-Front

Or perhaps: echo newuser USER-NAME >>/srv/cwfs.cmd replace USER-NAME with the new user's name. If most commands are in lowercase, it might make sense to use uppercase names as things that need to be specified. On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Blake McBride wrote: > It works now. The docs

Re: [9fans] Adding a new user on 9-Front

It works now. The docs were unclear to me. For example, this works: echo newuser george >>/srv/cwfs.cmd And this does not work (unsupprisingly): echo george george >>/srv/cwfs.cmd Unless you really look at it, it is unclear when to make a substitution (or fill in a variable), and when to type

Re: [9fans] Adding a new user on 9-Front

> The above echo command did nothing to the /adm/users file for me on > vanilla 9front. Has anyone verified that he's even running cwfs? sl

Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

> On Mon Dec 23 10:18:49 EST 2013, st...@quintile.net wrote: > > > Try the Delete key. > > > > Check keyboard(6) and rio(1). > > > > also note the key does auto filename completeion. > > > > Beware: these are all features of rio, if you have no rio, e.g. > > just a text console, none of this wo

Re: [9fans] Adding a new user on 9-Front

that command file is really a bidirectional pipe. you didnt read the pipe so you do not see the command response. to get in a interactive dialog with the fileserver, you can run: con -Cl /srv/cwfs.cmd to leave this dialog, enter +\ and on cons >>> prompt, type q the fileserver console commands

Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

On Mon Dec 23 10:18:49 EST 2013, st...@quintile.net wrote: > > Try the Delete key. > > Check keyboard(6) and rio(1). > > also note the key does auto filename completeion. > > Beware: these are all features of rio, if you have no rio, e.g. > just a text console, none of this works, not even del

Re: [9fans] Adding a new user on 9-Front

Did you append or truncate. That command should work. 2013/12/23 Blake McBride > > > > On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 11:19 PM, Sergey Zhilkin wrote: > >> Hello ! >> From - https://code.google.com/p/plan9front/wiki/admin >> Adding Users >> >> Add a new user on the file server: >> >> echo newuser usern

Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

> Try the Delete key. Check keyboard(6) and rio(1). also note the key does auto filename completeion. Beware: these are all features of rio, if you have no rio, e.g. just a text console, none of this works, not even del (non-labs distributions not withstanding). -Steve

Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

On 12/23/2013 05:11 PM, Blake McBride wrote: > Amazing how something so simple could stump someone. Thanks! > > > On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Alexander Kapshuk > mailto:alexander.kaps...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > On 12/23/2013 04:59 PM, Blake McBride wrote: > > BTW, how do I abort a c

Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

Amazing how something so simple could stump someone. Thanks! On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Alexander Kapshuk < alexander.kaps...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 12/23/2013 04:59 PM, Blake McBride wrote: > > BTW, how do I abort a command such as the cat /dev/kpeint? I tried > > ^c, ^d. ^\. Nothing

Re: [9fans] Adding a new user on 9-Front

On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 11:19 PM, Sergey Zhilkin wrote: > Hello ! > From - https://code.google.com/p/plan9front/wiki/admin > Adding Users > > Add a new user on the file server: > > echo newuser username >>/srv/cwfs.cmd > > The newuser filesystem command is described in the > fs(8)

Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

The DEL key should do. Am 23.12.2013 15:59, schrieb Blake McBride: > On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 10:52 PM, > wrote: > > the fdisk command i gave you could read the partition table fine. > (it didnt register them, just print) > > the code thats handling t

Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

On 12/23/2013 04:59 PM, Blake McBride wrote: > BTW, how do I abort a command such as the cat /dev/kpeint? I tried > ^c, ^d. ^\. Nothing worked. I ended up having to delete the entire > window. Try the Delete key.

Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 10:52 PM, wrote: > the fdisk command i gave you could read the partition table fine. > (it didnt register them, just print) > > the code thats handling the automounting (/shr) should'v discovered > the partitions by running the same command but apparently that didnt > work

Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

Great pointers. Thanks. On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 3:34 AM, Steffen Daode wrote: > Blake McBride wrote: > |I don't know what "console" is. I don't see anything at my Plan-9 Shell > |(RC) or on the screen in general. > > Note that Francisco J. Ballesteros has written an excellent book > on ope

Re: [9fans] Adding a new user on 9-Front

Thanks. I ended up editing /adm/users directly. That seemed to work. On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 11:19 PM, Sergey Zhilkin wrote: > Hello ! > From - https://code.google.com/p/plan9front/wiki/admin > Adding Users > > Add a new user on the file server: > > echo newuser username >>/srv/cwfs.cmd > > I

Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

> FYI, it is Plan 9 (i.e. there's a space between); also the shell is rc, not > RC. would imagine the latter is phone "autocorrect." - erik

Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

On Sun Dec 22 22:38:41 EST 2013, mirtchov...@gmail.com wrote: > > While you're at it; is it "9-Front" (as Andrey said above) and "9-Atom"? > > So, space with "Plan 9" and dash with the other two? > > both 9᠎Front and 9᠎Atom use U+180E, Mongolian Vowel Separator, to > stand between the digit and th

Re: [9fans] Adding a new user on 9-Front

On Mon Dec 23 08:47:19 EST 2013, 9f...@hamnavoe.com wrote: > > ah, but being hostowner gives you no special status on the file > > server. > > Which file server are you referring to? In the case of Plan 9 and fossil, > hostowner can talk to /srv/fscons which is effectively root power. i consider

Re: [9fans] Adding a new user on 9-Front

> ah, but being hostowner gives you no special status on the file > server. Which file server are you referring to? In the case of Plan 9 and fossil, hostowner can talk to /srv/fscons which is effectively root power.

Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

> As it says in the first paragraph, it is: "display device for system > administration messages, particularly those from the BIOS or boot loader > ...". in plan 9, typically the directly-attached kvm, serial or cec is considered the console. exception: when you're running rio, you don't see the

Re: [9fans] Adding a new user on 9-Front

> It's not super required to add a new user on standalone systems. > Obviously file/auth servers have more of a need. You're system isn't > less secure using Glenda. You're going to be host owner no matter > what user you use. > ah, but being hostowner gives you no special status on the file se

Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

andrey mirtchovski wrote: |both 9␦Front and 9␦Atom use U+180E, Mongolian Vowel Separator, to |stand between the digit and the letters. it is a zero-length space |signifying the major departure from the original canon. No, no longer -- it has become a control character in Unicode 6.3.0. --stef

Re: [9fans] Adding a new user on 9-Front

> I gather that command is for fossil, and fossil isn't used anymore. Fossil is still the standard disk file system for Plan 9. Trying to use 9front by following Plan 9 documentation, or vice versa, is likely to lead to much frustration.

Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

Blake McBride wrote: |I don't know what "console" is. I don't see anything at my Plan-9 Shell |(RC) or on the screen in general. Note that Francisco J. Ballesteros has written an excellent book on operating systems [1] that i also should read in total: «Introduction to Operating Systems Abst