Re: [9fans] NetSurf (browser) and Duktape (javascript)

2016-02-19 Thread sl 
> If I'm not mistaken, Russ Cox says somewhere that he was happy working
> under Plan9 but that he ported the Plan9 utilities to other systems when
> he realized there was no hope that someday Mozilla will run on Plan9...
> So he still uses Plan9 utilities, but not under Plan9...

https://fqa.9front.org/fqa0.html#0.2.3

sl

Re: [9fans] plan9port for El Capitan(10.11.3)

2016-02-19 Thread cinap_lenrek 
with captain blaubär this wouldnt have happend.

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Re: [9fans] plan9port for El Capitan(10.11.3)

2016-02-19 Thread kokamoto 
> drawterm.bz2 2015-04-07 207.6kb

297.6kb sorry.

Kenji

Re: [9fans] plan9port for El Capitan(10.11.3)

2016-02-19 Thread Kenny Lasse Hoff Levinsen 
As for drawterm-cocoa: Sure you're using the newest version? Sounds like the 
old one, which was very broken indeed. There are known refresh-issues even in 
the current one, like immediately after starting rio, of when returning to the 
console.

Best regards,
Kenny Levinsen

> On 19. feb. 2016, at 14.27, kokam...@hera.eonet.ne.jp wrote:
> 
> I'm using p9p on MacOS 10.11.3, and having a strange behaviour.
> I have to resize the 9term (or any other) window to show its contents.
> 
> In the case of drawterm(Jas's cocoa version), I have no prompt 
> before I type the keyboard.
> In this case resizing the window doesn't help.
> 
> Are these behaiviours expected ones?
> 
> Kenji
> 
>

Re: [9fans] NetSurf (browser) and Duktape (javascript)

2016-02-19 Thread Kenny Lasse Hoff Levinsen 
I am aware, I work with web, but no JS will work before the DOM implementation 
is complete, and most is utterly useless without styling. It's a better place 
to start. One can also work without JS for a lot of pages that aren't twitter 
bootstrap based, or fetching content dynamically. The first is an issue, but 
the latter not that much... Yet.

Best regards,
Kenny Levinsen

> On 19. feb. 2016, at 14.21, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 02:00:47PM +0100, Kenny Lasse Hoff Levinsen wrote:
>> Styling/proper rendering might be more interesting than JS.
> 
> Unfortunately, today, there are a number of sites that require
> javascript. I don't speak about overloaded media sites. But for example
> bank or even governemental sites.
> 
> It is unfortunate to have, for some common tasks, the need of
> "something else" (and due to the size and complexity of Mozilla
> and Chrome, "something else" can be a pretty restrictive choice).
> 
> If I'm not mistaken, Russ Cox says somewhere that he was happy working
> under Plan9 but that he ported the Plan9 utilities to other systems when
> he realized there was no hope that someday Mozilla will run on Plan9...
> So he still uses Plan9 utilities, but not under Plan9...
> -- 
>Thierry Laronde 
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> http://www.arts-po.fr/
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>

Re: [9fans] NetSurf (browser) and Duktape (javascript)

2016-02-19 Thread erik quanstrom 
> What would be really cool is if  the LibNSFB (netsurf framebuffer

not safe for b... business?

- erik

Re: [9fans] NetSurf (browser) and Duktape (javascript)

2016-02-19 Thread erik quanstrom 
> NetSurf will incorporate Duktape javascript engine. Does Mothra have
> javascript?

no.

- erik

Re: [9fans] rtl8169 gbe slow

2016-02-19 Thread erik quanstrom 
> Is /dev/irqstat a lapsus? Here are /dev/irqalloc and
> /net/ether0/ifstats:
[...]
>  42  10 ether0

well, boo.  the labs version doesn't give enough information.  i was expecting
something like
; grep ether0 /dev/irqalloc
   65.0  11 17224065 190397006374 msi-x
ether0
which gives vector.processor, bus irq, number of interrupts, total fastticks 
taken, type, and driver.
with this info, one can calculate ns/interrupt and interrupts/sec.

> TxOk: 4483
> RxOk: 7520
[..]
> xmit descr queue len: highwater 0/31 curr 0 hitmax 0

this doesn't look like very much traffic.  how did you test?  are you using
the latest tcp?  what is the ping latency?  older labs kernels did a poor job
with moderate latency, and any packet loss.  newer versions should be ok,
but i haven't tested myself.

> rtl8169: unknown mac 8168 4c00

my version of the driver handles this hardware

> i8042: fe returned to the ea command

you don't have a ps2 mouse, but the system is configured to expect one.
0xea -> set streaming.

- erik

Re: [9fans] bug in exportfs

2016-02-19 Thread Charles Forsyth 
On 15 February 2016 at 01:05, arisawa  wrote:

> filtering of exportfs is handy if it works well.
>
...

The whole short discussion was useful, thanks. It gave me a few ideas,
prompted by exportfs,
including about filtering.

[9fans] plan9port for El Capitan(10.11.3)

2016-02-19 Thread kokamoto 
I'm using p9p on MacOS 10.11.3, and having a strange behaviour.
I have to resize the 9term (or any other) window to show its contents.

In the case of drawterm(Jas's cocoa version), I have no prompt 
before I type the keyboard.
In this case resizing the window doesn't help.

Are these behaiviours expected ones?

Kenji

Re: [9fans] NetSurf (browser) and Duktape (javascript)

2016-02-19 Thread tlaronde 
On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 02:00:47PM +0100, Kenny Lasse Hoff Levinsen wrote:
> Styling/proper rendering might be more interesting than JS.
> 

Unfortunately, today, there are a number of sites that require
javascript. I don't speak about overloaded media sites. But for example
bank or even governemental sites.

It is unfortunate to have, for some common tasks, the need of
"something else" (and due to the size and complexity of Mozilla
and Chrome, "something else" can be a pretty restrictive choice).

If I'm not mistaken, Russ Cox says somewhere that he was happy working
under Plan9 but that he ported the Plan9 utilities to other systems when
he realized there was no hope that someday Mozilla will run on Plan9...
So he still uses Plan9 utilities, but not under Plan9...
-- 
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 http://www.kergis.com/
 http://www.arts-po.fr/
Key fingerprint = 0FF7 E906 FBAF FE95 FD89  250D 52B1 AE95 6006 F40C

Re: [9fans] NetSurf (browser) and Duktape (javascript)

2016-02-19 Thread Kenny Lasse Hoff Levinsen 
Styling/proper rendering might be more interesting than JS.

Best regards,
Kenny Levinsen

> On 19. feb. 2016, at 13.22, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 01:17:12AM +0100, Aram H?v?rneanu wrote:
>> What problem would this solve, it's not like netsurf can display any
>> useful web page that mothra can't display.
> 
> NetSurf will incorporate Duktape javascript engine. Does Mothra have
> javascript?
> 
> -- 
>Thierry Laronde 
> http://www.kergis.com/
> http://www.arts-po.fr/
> Key fingerprint = 0FF7 E906 FBAF FE95 FD89  250D 52B1 AE95 6006 F40C
>

Re: [9fans] rtl8169 gbe slow

2016-02-19 Thread tlaronde 
On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 05:22:42AM -0800, erik quanstrom wrote:
> the 8169 driver is pretty fast.  I've measured it at more than 500mbps.
> it sounds like something else is misbehaving.  what does
> /dev/irqstat say.  I bet something is stuck.
> 

Is /dev/irqstat a lapsus? Here are /dev/irqalloc and
/net/ether0/ifstats:

  3   0 debugpt
  7   0 mathemu
  8   0 doublefault
  9   0 mathover
 14   0 fault386
 15   0 unexpected
 16   0 matherror
 32   0 clock
 33   1 kbd
 35   3 sdE (iahci)
 38   6 floppy
 39   7 lpt
 42  10 ether0
 44  12 kbdaux

ifstats:

TxOk: 4483
RxOk: 7520
TxEr: 0
RxEr: 0
MissPkt: 0
FAE: 0
Tx1Col: 0
TxMCol: 0
RxOkPh: 7482
RxOkBrd: 28
RxOkMu: 10
TxAbt: 0
TxUndrn: 0
txdu: 0
tcpf: 0
udpf: 0
ipf: 0
fovf: 0
ierrs: 0
rer: 0
rdu: 0
punlc: 0
fovw: 0
tcr: 0x2f200700
rcr: 0xe70e
multicast: 10
phy:1000 796d 001c c914 01e1 c5e1 000d 2801
4e2e 0300 3800     3000
01ee ac9c   8040 0006 4100 2100
 8c00 0040 0106 217c 8fbc 0123 
rcv descrs processed at once:   highwater 2/255 curr 1 hitmax 0
xmit descr queue len:   highwater 0/31 curr 0 hitmax 0

Note: _this_ card is a PCIe supplementary one. There is another rtl
embedded in the motherboard that Plan9 does not recognize:

rtl8169: unknown mac 8168 4c00
oui 0x732 phyno 1, macv = 0x2c00 phyv = 0x0004
#l0: rtl8169: 1Gbps port 0xC000 irq 10: e8de2701f455

I have tried by disabling the embedded ether controller, the result is
the same.

Another kernel message for what is worth (since I don't know what it
means, I don't know if it's relevant):

i8042: fe returned to the ea command

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Re: [9fans] NetSurf (browser) and Duktape (javascript)

2016-02-19 Thread tlaronde 
On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 01:17:12AM +0100, Aram H?v?rneanu wrote:
> What problem would this solve, it's not like netsurf can display any
> useful web page that mothra can't display.

NetSurf will incorporate Duktape javascript engine. Does Mothra have
javascript?

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