Re: [9fans] software archaeology

2018-02-04 Thread Erik Quanstrom
I think that's all it did.  musta been 4e- erikOn Feb 4, 2018 20:24, Benjamin Huntsman wrote: Bizarre and random question, but anyone still have any of the original 3rd Edition floppy images around? Also, anyone remember, did the web-based floppy builder from

[9fans] software archaeology

2018-02-04 Thread Benjamin Huntsman
Bizarre and random question, but anyone still have any of the original 3rd Edition floppy images around? Also, anyone remember, did the web-based floppy builder from back in the day actually do anything other than tweak the plan9.ini? Thanks!

Re: [9fans] RasPi why?

2018-02-04 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
RPi's aren't "the" answer, Exactly. There is no "one" answer. Hardware, peripherals, operating systems ... The "linux is everything" crowd is what's leading to the decimation of technological advancement these days.

Re: [9fans] Is fossil/venti file system a good choice for SSD?

2018-02-04 Thread Bakul Shah
On Sun, 04 Feb 2018 11:02:57 +0100 hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: hiro writes: > For home use a ZFS intent log and caches on a good 2,5" SSD in a > battery-backed thinkpad seems like an easy, silent, fast and stable > (even against data loss from power outage) basis, even if you only > connect

Re: [9fans] RasPi why?

2018-02-04 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
RPi3 are reasonably capable for the price. For me, they make sense because: * RPis make it easy to try non-windows OS (including Plan 9). * Provide a usable, yet inexpensive ARM platform for Plan9. * (almost) all RPI hardware components are supported in Plan 9. * There is an enthusiastic

Re: [9fans] Is fossil/venti file system a good choice for SSD?

2018-02-04 Thread Digby R.S. Tarvin
I am not familiar with the kirkwoods that you mentioned. Just to be clear, the USB drive I was describing is rotating media in an external enclosure, not a memory stick. Generally self powered, as powering a portable hard drive from USB with a RPi is asking for trouble. I have stopped buying

Re: [9fans] RasPi why?

2018-02-04 Thread hiro
anybody who plans to buy a rpi for a laptop/desktop usage who is price limited please consider a thinkpad t43, x61, etc. from ebay. x201 is slightly faster but might also still be affordable depending on where you are, already has the crappier display ratio though ;)

Re: [9fans] Is fossil/venti file system a good choice for SSD?

2018-02-04 Thread Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
The problem is the index. It is heavily updated, and I had a Fossil installation that ate my SSD in about 6 months. The log was OK, so I could rebuild the index on another disk. On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 10:39 AM, lchg wrote: > As I know, fossil/venti file system is

Re: [9fans] RasPi why?

2018-02-04 Thread Bakul Shah
On Sun, 04 Feb 2018 09:45:51 + Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: Ethan Grammatikidis writes: > On Sat, Feb 3, 2018, at 11:46 PM, Bakul Shah wrote: > > > > Not to mention The RasPis are poor at > > reliability. Even a xenon flash or near a RasPi could power a > > RasPi2 down!

Re: [9fans] Is fossil/venti file system a good choice for SSD?

2018-02-04 Thread hiro
Hey, thanks for explaining. this usage is surprisingly valid. I have some much much older kirkwoods for the same scenario. The benefit is: gigabit ethernet, higher stability, case included, power supply included (and no power problems as on rpi), lower price. I boot them all from USB HDDs, but I

Re: [9fans] RasPi why?

2018-02-04 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
Why do people even buy RasPis? 1) Serial port console servers. A Pi2 + StarTech USB 8-port serial is an inexpensive way to talk to console serial ports on routers, switches, firewalls, etc. 2) DHCP/TFTP servers used to remote PXE install the big iron in our data centres. 3)

Re: [9fans] SMART: Silly Marketing Acronym, Rebuts Truth

2018-02-04 Thread tlaronde
On Sun, Feb 04, 2018 at 10:10:39AM -0800, Erik Quanstrom wrote: >in my experience smart can be helpful diagnosing grey failures. but it's >useless to generalize about hdd or ssd firmware wrt smart data. I suspect that the huge majority of technical resources is nowadays put on improving the

Re: [9fans] SMART: Silly Marketing Acronym, Rebuts Truth

2018-02-04 Thread Erik Quanstrom
in my experience smart can be helpful diagnosing grey failures.  but it's useless to generalize about hdd or ssd firmware wrt smart data.  

Re: [9fans] RasPi why?

2018-02-04 Thread Steve Simon
i bought one (well, my employer bought me one) as a desktop machine. i don’t know where i could buy a headless pc or a used laptop for £30. i also have drivers for the hardware and an install process that takes 10 mins (copy the image to an sd card). they are not perfect, but a good comprise

Re: [9fans] Is fossil/venti file system a good choice for SSD?

2018-02-04 Thread Digby R.S. Tarvin
static web pages, remote login (so that I can power/depower other hardware) and file remote file distribution (via scp) mostly. The main requirement is very low standby power consumption so that it can survive on batteries which are recharged using solar panels. Power consumption was the main

Re: [9fans] RasPi why?

2018-02-04 Thread Rui Carmo
There’s a fair amount of FUD here. The light sensitivity was fixed with a new component run (and, incidentally, is not specific to the Pi, you can take out other exposed electronics/computers with a flash), and the reliability pretty much became a non-issue since the Pi 2. People buy Pis

Re: [9fans] Is fossil/venti file system a good choice for SSD?

2018-02-04 Thread hiro
For home use a ZFS intent log and caches on a good 2,5" SSD in a battery-backed thinkpad seems like an easy, silent, fast and stable (even against data loss from power outage) basis, even if you only connect shitty USB3 HDD drives externally for the pools. Your data should be safe on the SSD as

Re: [9fans] Is fossil/venti file system a good choice for SSD?

2018-02-04 Thread hiro
> raspberry pi based servers what are you serving?

Re: [9fans] Is fossil/venti file system a good choice for SSD?

2018-02-04 Thread hiro
> uSD in raspberry pi there's the error

[9fans] RasPi why?

2018-02-04 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Sat, Feb 3, 2018, at 11:46 PM, Bakul Shah wrote: > > Not to mention The RasPis are poor at > reliability. Even a xenon flash or near a RasPi could power a > RasPi2 down! And since they do no onboard power regulation, > people had lots of problems early on -- add one more USB > device and the

Re: [9fans] SMART: Silly Marketing Acronym, Rebuts Truth

2018-02-04 Thread tlaronde
On Sat, Feb 03, 2018 at 03:59:26PM -0800, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > >The interesting thing (for me) was that > >the SMART data from the drive gave it an all clear right to the end. But > >unlike the SSDs, there was plenty of behavioural warning to remind me to > >have the backups up to date and a