Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

[Skip Tavakkolian]

Not dead; more like Schrödinger's OS.

On Fri, Nov 22, 2019, 3:16 PM  wrote:

> most of these answers don't really answer the question everyone knows
> op is asking.  why do we always play these games?
> 
> the answer is: no, vanilla plan 9 is not still alive.
> 
> background:
> 
> plan 9's creators all left bell labs many years ago, and none of them
> use plan 9 anymore[0].  bell labs itself has changed hands a couple of
> times since development of plan 9 came to its ignoble end.  yes, some
> third parties occasionally tinker.  richard miller puts out code that
> can be run on raspberry pi hardware.  some other former heavy users
> occasionally push piecemeal bits of personal projects into the public
> eye.  nobody takes any of it seriously because none of them really use
> plan 9 to do anything people use computers to do[1].  which is not to
> say their efforts aren't appreciated.  thanks, guys.
> 
> for some reason, when interested newbs show up on this mailing list
> asking this same question, which happens from time to time, they're
> always made to believe there exists a thriving community of devoted
> plan 9 from bell labs users eager to point them towards resources
> useful for running plan 9 on a computer manufactured after sbc
> rebranded itself as at
> 
> 9front was created in 2011 because by then it had already been
> apparent for several years that this was a baldfaced lie.
> 
> failing a massive leak of all the code 9fans will swear to you they
> are running on their modern computers, your choices include:
> 
> - 9front (new drivers, modern cryptography, useful new programs)
> - 9legacy (an attempt to combine patches from all extant personally
> maintained copies of the plan 9 source tree)
> 
> don't thank me until you've tried to get straight answers to follow-up
> questions.
> 
> sl
> 
> [0] http://fqa.9front.org/fqa0.html#0.2.3
> 
> [1] i'm typing this on a thinkpad x250, over intel wifi/wpa2, running
> 1920x1080 on the native lcd.  it's running plan 9, but is sure ain't
> vanilla[2].
> 
> [2] oh yeah, all the code is available here:
> http://code.9front.org/hg/plan9front

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Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

[greemngreek]

Thanks for the detailed response!
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Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

[sl]

most of these answers don't really answer the question everyone knows
op is asking.  why do we always play these games?

the answer is: no, vanilla plan 9 is not still alive.

background:

plan 9's creators all left bell labs many years ago, and none of them
use plan 9 anymore[0].  bell labs itself has changed hands a couple of
times since development of plan 9 came to its ignoble end.  yes, some
third parties occasionally tinker.  richard miller puts out code that
can be run on raspberry pi hardware.  some other former heavy users
occasionally push piecemeal bits of personal projects into the public
eye.  nobody takes any of it seriously because none of them really use
plan 9 to do anything people use computers to do[1].  which is not to
say their efforts aren't appreciated.  thanks, guys.

for some reason, when interested newbs show up on this mailing list
asking this same question, which happens from time to time, they're
always made to believe there exists a thriving community of devoted
plan 9 from bell labs users eager to point them towards resources
useful for running plan 9 on a computer manufactured after sbc
rebranded itself as at

9front was created in 2011 because by then it had already been
apparent for several years that this was a baldfaced lie.

failing a massive leak of all the code 9fans will swear to you they
are running on their modern computers, your choices include:

- 9front (new drivers, modern cryptography, useful new programs)
- 9legacy (an attempt to combine patches from all extant personally
maintained copies of the plan 9 source tree)

don't thank me until you've tried to get straight answers to follow-up
questions.

sl

[0] http://fqa.9front.org/fqa0.html#0.2.3

[1] i'm typing this on a thinkpad x250, over intel wifi/wpa2, running
1920x1080 on the native lcd.  it's running plan 9, but is sure ain't
vanilla[2].

[2] oh yeah, all the code is available here:
http://code.9front.org/hg/plan9front

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Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

[Steven Stallion]

Probably pining for the fjords.

On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 2:54 AM Skip Tavakkolian
 wrote:
>
> It's not dead; it's resting.
>
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 10:29 PM  wrote:
>>
>> The site hasn't been updated since 2014-2015. If it's dead, is there any 
>> chance of it coming back into development?
>
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Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

[Jens Staal]

Den fre 22 nov. 2019 kl 09:55 skrev Skip Tavakkolian
:
>
> It's not dead; it's resting.
>

The whole "thing" about Plan9 was bringing back the dead so it is
thematically on point.

> On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 10:29 PM  wrote:
>>
>> The site hasn't been updated since 2014-2015. If it's dead, is there any 
>> chance of it coming back into development?
>
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Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

[Don A. Bailey]

This :)

> On Nov 22, 2019, at 1:54 AM, Skip Tavakkolian  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> It's not dead; it's resting.
> 
>> On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 10:29 PM  wrote:
>> The site hasn't been updated since 2014-2015. If it's dead, is there any 
>> chance of it coming back into development?
> 
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Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

[Skip Tavakkolian]

It's not dead; it's resting.

On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 10:29 PM  wrote:

> The site hasn't been updated since 2014-2015. If it's dead, is there any
> chance of it coming back into development?
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>

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Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

[Richard Miller]

> The site hasn't been updated since 2014-2015.

The mirror 9pi.io has more recent patches in /sources/patch.
There is also a good selection of patches in 9legacy.org/patch.html

Current raspberry pi kernel source is on 9p.io in /sources/contrib/miller/9/bcm

So yes, there is current development but not centralised.


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Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

[greemngreek]

@Fazul It's active? How does it compare to 9front?
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