Re: [9fans] with reference to the earlier plan 9 interns post

2009-02-16 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:30 PM, Pietro Gagliardi pietr...@mac.com wrote: I am a high school student and have a GPA; I know it's higher than 3.2. What are the requirements for Murray Hill? I'm also interested in the requirements for Murray Hill. On Feb 13, 2009, at 6:46 PM, jimmy brisson

Re: [9fans] my /dev/time for Linux

2009-03-02 Thread J.R. Mauro
Two things. First, I had to include linux/jiffies.h to get this to build on my machine with 2.6.28 and second, do you have any plans to get this accepted upstream? Thanks for putting the time into this! On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 11:57 PM, Chris Brannon cmbran...@cox.net wrote: I wrote a module

Re: [9fans] my /dev/time for Linux

2009-03-03 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Chris Brannon cmbran...@cox.net wrote: J.R. Mauro writes: Two things. First, I had to include linux/jiffies.h to get this to build on my machine with 2.6.28 and second, do you have any plans to get this accepted upstream? Thanks for the report

Re: [9fans] threads vs forks

2009-03-03 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Roman V. Shaposhnik r...@sun.com wrote: On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 07:19 -0800, David Leimbach wrote: My knowledge on this subject is about 8 or 9 years old, so check with your local Python guru The last I'd heard about Python's threading is that it was

Re: [9fans] command repetition in sam/acme

2009-03-03 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 5:13 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: This discussion strikes me as coming from a different galaxy. It seems to me that Acme and Sam clearly don't match the task at hand. We're trying to use a screwdriver when we need a jackhammer . I don't see the point in

Re: [9fans] threads vs forks

2009-03-03 Thread J.R. Mauro
that's where we have to go, I suppose. uriel - Show quoted text - On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:08 AM, J.R. Mauro jrm8...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Roman V. Shaposhnik r...@sun.com wrote: On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 07:19 -0800, David Leimbach wrote: My knowledge on this subject

Re: [9fans] 8c, 8l, and empty files

2009-03-03 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 6:37 PM, andrey mirtchovski mirtchov...@gmail.com wrote: Does it have any sense to create a 0 byte executable file? Success or failure? Can you execute it? Garbage-in, Garbage-out Or perhaps, since the user went to trouble of making sure the file didn't exist and then

Re: [9fans] threads vs forks

2009-03-03 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Devon H. O'Dell devon.od...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/3/3 J.R. Mauro jrm8...@gmail.com: Concurrency seems to be one of those things that's too hard for everyone, and I don't buy it. There's no reason it needs to be as hard as it is. That's a fact. If you have

Re: [9fans] command repetition in sam/acme

2009-03-03 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 7:31 PM, Rob Pike robp...@gmail.com wrote: Sam and Acme use a simple, pure form of regular expressions.  If they had the counting operations, this would be a trivial task, but to add them would open the door to the enormous, ill-conceived complexity of (no longer)

Re: [9fans] command repetition in sam/acme

2009-03-03 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Rob Pike robp...@gmail.com wrote: Do you see utility in counting/movement commands if they are not combined with regular expressions? If you want to make a substitution to the thousandth match of a regular expression on a line, try s1000/[^ ]+/yyy/

Re: [9fans] threads vs forks

2009-03-03 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 7:54 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: I should have qualified. I mean *massive* parallelization when applied to average use cases. I don't think it's totally unusable (I complain about synchronous I/O on my phone every day), but it's being pushed as a

Re: [9fans] command repetition in sam/acme

2009-03-03 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Rob Pike robp...@gmail.com wrote: .,.1000 and then snarf. It's a different model from the one you are familiar with.  That is not a value judgment either way, but before pushing too hard in comparisons or suggestions it helps to be familiar with both. I

Re: [9fans] threads vs forks

2009-03-03 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:44 PM, James Tomaschke ja...@orcasystems.com wrote: erik quanstrom wrote: I think the reason why you didn't see parallelism come out earlier in the PC market was because they needed to create new mechanisms for I/O.  AMD did this with Hypertransport, and I've seen

Re: [9fans] threads vs forks

2009-03-04 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:50 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: Both AMD and Intel are looking at I/O because it is and will be a limiting factor when scaling to higher core counts. i/o starts sucking wind with one core. that's why we differentiate i/o from everything else

Re: [9fans] threads vs forks

2009-03-04 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:14 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 8:52 AM, J.R. Mauro jrm8...@gmail.com wrote: Now I haven't tested an SSD for performance, but I know they are better. Well that I don't understand at all. Is this faith-based performance

Re: [9fans] MMIXWare Plan 9

2009-03-09 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Anthony Sorace ano...@gmail.com wrote: i'm not sure whether the MMIX stuff was a fresh effort or an extension MMIX is totally new, a more modern, RISC-y assembly language. Knuth worked with Hennessy on it, and it shows (not in a bad way, of course). AFAIK it's all

Re: [9fans] small node

2009-03-10 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 11:42 PM, j...@csplan9.rit.edu wrote: On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 08:19:28PM -0700, David Leimbach wrote: How about: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9634061300.html? Literally plug it in and run... In typical use, the SheevaPlug draws about as much power as a

Re: [9fans] small node

2009-03-10 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 12:23 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: On Wed Mar 11 00:19:43 EDT 2009, j...@csplan9.rit.edu wrote: if you're worried about ethernet connectivity, beagleboard is not for you. - erik Just noticed that...  unpleasant that they would leave out what I

Re: [9fans] small node

2009-03-10 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 1:23 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote:  From the picture, the thing has USB. Gotta be a way to DIY ethernet or wifi into it... i bet you could run linux wait a second. to paraphrase, it's a seven-layer networking burrito! - erik With extra TCP

Re: [9fans] python csp

2009-03-11 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Uriel urie...@gmail.com wrote: Stackless is fairly well maintained and uptodate, it is also fairly close to the Limbo model, and it is used in production in some really big projects. Unfortunately it seems unlikely that it will ever make it to python mainline

Re: [9fans] small node

2009-03-12 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 10:45 AM, maht mattmob...@proweb.co.uk wrote: From the picture, the thing has USB. Gotta be a way to DIY ethernet or wifi into it... http://ninetimes.cat-v.org/news/2008/12/24/1_New_driver_for_usb_ethernet_devices/ Hey, that's pretty cool

Re: [9fans] my /dev/time for Linux

2009-03-12 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 6:29 AM, maht mattmob...@proweb.co.uk wrote: nice one. Getting it upstream would be great. Another you know Y that's in Linux now, it's from Plan9, but if you want Plan9 you know where to find it (unless it's down today). Actually, I got Ashwin Ganti's Plan 9

Re: [9fans] new toy - gmap

2009-03-13 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Bruce Ellis bruce.el...@gmail.com wrote: That seems to be endemic. People putting things on top of other things. Which reminds me that people aren't wearing enough hats! There's a committee for putting things on top of other things, isn't there? brucee On

Re: [9fans] new toy - gmap

2009-03-13 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 7:11 PM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 3:59 PM, J.R. Mauro jrm8...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Bruce Ellis bruce.el...@gmail.com wrote: That seems to be endemic. People putting things on top of other things

Re: [9fans] new toy - gmap

2009-03-13 Thread J.R. Mauro
up in a book you need to purchase for $250 USD (plus tax shipping) in order to put things... On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 7:17 PM, J.R. Mauro jrm8...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 7:11 PM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 3:59 PM, J.R. Mauro jrm8

Re: [9fans] new toy - gmap

2009-03-13 Thread J.R. Mauro
Just to let you know, the current version as of a few minutes ago works for me. Thanks! On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Steve Simon st...@quintile.net wrote: Pick up the new code, it reads the key from /lib/gmapkey and gets the longditude and latitude the correct way round (as several people

Re: [9fans] log oversight

2009-03-15 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 11:18 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: note that those files are append-only. logs on unix are writeable by everyone: [rminn...@panzer ~]$ logger -p kern.err JUNK [rminn...@panzer ~]$ sudo tail -f /var/log/messages Mar 16 04:15:03 Panzer rminnich: JUNK

Re: [9fans] log oversight

2009-03-16 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 2:30 AM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 8:55 PM, J.R. Mauro jrm8...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 11:18 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: note that those files are append-only. logs on unix are writeable by everyone

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 on Routers?

2009-03-24 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Devon H. O'Dell devon.od...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/3/24 Rahul Murmuria rahul.is.a...@gmail.com: I was poking around for what it would take to get there. I found this[1]. I am basically looking to have a way to do routing using Plan 9. You can already do that on

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 on Routers?

2009-03-24 Thread J.R. Mauro
of the Glendix project (http://www.glendix.org) and have discussed the same ideas for Glendix recently. I was told that Inferno has ventured into such waters before. Are you sure there in no information on anyone trying Plan 9 on/as a Router? --Devon @ Mauro On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 3:51 PM, J.R

Re: [9fans] GSOC: Drawterm for the iPhone

2009-03-26 Thread J.R. Mauro
or not isn't for me to say, but I can see how it would be useful. --dho -- Federico G. Benavento -- J.R. Mauro () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against Microsoft attachments

Re: [9fans] GSOC: Drawterm for the iPhone

2009-03-26 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Eric Van Hensbergen eri...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 1:04 PM, J.R. Mauro jrm8...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 07:54:57PM -0500, Eric Van Hensbergen wrote: One nice thing about drawterm is it lets you export the iphone's interfaces

Re: [9fans] Plan9 from Outer Space strikes again

2009-03-29 Thread J.R. Mauro
I think the Glendix project should be renamed. On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 3:39 PM, yy yiyu@gmail.com wrote: I just found this: http://www.bluewaterprod.com/news/Plan_9_is_back_12-17-08.php and wanted to share it with you. -- - yiyus || JGL .

Re: [9fans] GSOC: Drawterm for the iPhone

2009-03-31 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 8:01 AM, Eric Van Hensbergen eri...@gmail.com wrote: The fact that rio and/or acme have a limited usage model with such a device and/or multitouch in general is a shame -- wouldn't it be nice to fix that. This is a very good point. As much as I like rio, I can't help but

Re: [9fans] GSOC: Drawterm for the iPhone

2009-03-31 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Eric Van Hensbergen eri...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:36 AM, J.R. Mauro jrm8...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 8:01 AM, Eric Van Hensbergen eri...@gmail.com wrote: The fact that rio and/or acme have a limited usage model

Re: [9fans] what features would you like in a shell?

2009-03-31 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 11:29 AM, noagbodjivictor noagbodjivic...@gmail.com wrote: hello, I'm a undergrade CS student doing a project for my introductory operating systems class. my team wants to write a simple shell from scratch. one idea we have found so far is the following. the shell

Re: [9fans] J9P/StyxLib

2009-04-01 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 11:19:08PM +0300, Alex Efros wrote: Hi! On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 10:02:04PM +0200, Bernd R. Fix wrote: 2.) You have an OS project with a different, incompatible license and want to include a GPL project or base some work on it. I am sure that this

Re: [9fans] J9P/StyxLib

2009-04-01 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 04:42:18PM -0400, J.R. Mauro wrote: On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 11:19:08PM +0300, Alex Efros wrote: Hi! On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 10:02:04PM +0200, Bernd R. Fix wrote: 2.) You have an OS project with a different, incompatible license and want to include a GPL

Re: [9fans] J9P/StyxLib

2009-04-01 Thread J.R. Mauro
contributions. Of course you can argue the merits of any of them. But if you don't like the license, it's very simple: don't use it. And as I remembered, there are alternative licenses with similar intent, like the Vim license. Lucho On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 2:42 PM, J.R. Mauro jrm8...@gmail.com

Re: [9fans] J9P/StyxLib

2009-04-01 Thread J.R. Mauro
on the face of the earth into a volcano Peace uriel On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 10:46 PM, J.R. Mauro jrm8...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 04:42:18PM -0400, J.R. Mauro wrote: On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 11:19:08PM +0300, Alex Efros wrote: Hi! On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 10:02

Re: [9fans] a bit OT, programming style question

2009-04-07 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Eris Discordia eris.discor...@gmail.com wrote: I see. But seriously, readline does handle bindings and line editing for bash. Except it's a function instead of a program and you think it's a bad idea. The man page *does* say it's too big and slow. So does the

Re: [9fans] a bit OT, programming style question

2009-04-07 Thread J.R. Mauro
acceptably. Try env | wc -l in bash. Now tell me why that value is so big. Anyway, thanks for the info. --On Tuesday, April 07, 2009 3:57 PM -0400 J.R. Mauro jrm8...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Eris Discordia eris.discor...@gmail.com wrote: I see. But seriously, readline

Re: [9fans] a bit OT, programming style question

2009-04-09 Thread J.R. Mauro
page indicates. --On Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:04 PM -0400 J.R. Mauro jrm8...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:48 PM, Eris Discordia eris.discor...@gmail.com wrote: The man page *does* say it's too big and slow. So does the bash manpage. And getting readline to do anything sane

Re: [9fans] extensions of interest

2009-04-09 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 1:25 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: On Thu Apr  9 13:19:11 EDT 2009, rminn...@gmail.com wrote: www.pdl.cmu.edu/posix statlite() the statlite man page is itself lightweight, being available on the web in pdf form. And MS doc! There's a common Unix-y

Re: [9fans] extensions of interest

2009-04-09 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 1:48 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: On Thu Apr  9 13:44:50 EDT 2009, mirtchov...@gmail.com wrote: i propose an extension to HTTP (call it HTTPeeLite) which allows me to specify in my request to that webpage the format in which i prefer to receive the man

Re: [9fans] extensions of interest

2009-04-09 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 3:05 PM, maht mattmob...@proweb.co.uk wrote: andrey mirtchovski wrote: i propose an extension to HTTP (call it HTTPeeLite) which allows me to specify in my request to that webpage the format in which i prefer to receive the man page. a 'setup' exchange can be sent

Re: [9fans] a bit OT, programming style question

2009-04-09 Thread J.R. Mauro
No, it's very likely bigger. wc -l is lines of course, and I'm guessing each line is more than 1 character. However, $ set | wc -l 64 I don't quite get that locally. It only starts to balloon once you begin customizing bash. I'm not sure how rc handles functions, but the nice thing about

Re: [9fans] extensions of interest

2009-04-09 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 3:22 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: Already part of HTTP Accept: application/msword; q=1, application/pdf; q=0.5,application/x-troff-ms; q=0.3 q is the level of preference, you'll get word docs first Wow. Could it get any worse? yes.  

Re: [9fans] a bit OT, programming style question

2009-04-09 Thread J.R. Mauro
I prefer the cadillac of shells (zsh) the vw bug (rc). I like this.

Re: [9fans] a bit OT, programming style question

2009-04-10 Thread J.R. Mauro
to be a script/program in its own right? No, bash's completion system is what's responsible for line numbers in the thousands. --On Thursday, April 09, 2009 3:34 PM -0400 J.R. Mauro jrm8...@gmail.com wrote: No, it's very likely bigger. wc -l is lines of course, and I'm guessing each line

Re: [9fans] a bit OT, programming style question

2009-04-10 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Eris Discordia eris.discor...@gmail.com wrote: this is the space-shuttle dichotomy.  it's a false one.  it's a continuum. its ends are dangerous. So somewhere in the middle is the golden mean? I have no objections to that. *BSD systems very well represent a

Re: [9fans] noweb and literal programming

2009-04-10 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Rudolf Sykora rudolf.syk...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I've been thinking about 'well documented programs' and come across the 'noweb' program. Do you have any experience with literal programming and, particularly, noweb? (I noticed at least rsc seems to have

Re: [9fans] security questions

2009-04-16 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Devon H. O'Dell devon.od...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/4/16 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: On Thu Apr 16 22:18:35 EDT 2009, devon.od...@gmail.com wrote: i just stated what i thought the historical situation was.  the point was only that changing direction

Re: [9fans] Plan9 - the next 20 years

2009-04-17 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 3:43 PM, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 08:16:40PM +0100, Steve Simon wrote: I cannot find the reference (sorry), but I read an interview with Ken (Thompson) a while ago. He was asked what he would change if he where working on plan9 now, and his

Re: [9fans] VMs, etc. (was: Re: security questions)

2009-04-17 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Eris Discordia eris.discor...@gmail.com wrote: even today on an average computer one has this articulation: a CPU (with a FPU perhaps) ; tightly or loosely connected storage (?ATA or SAN) ; graphical capacities (terminal) : GPU. It happens so that a reversal

Re: [9fans] Plan9 - the next 20 years

2009-04-17 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Eric Van Hensbergen eri...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 2:43 PM,  tlaro...@polynum.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 08:16:40PM +0100, Steve Simon wrote: I cannot find the reference (sorry), but I read an interview with Ken (Thompson) a while ago.

Re: [9fans] Plan9 - the next 20 years

2009-04-17 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 6:15 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: if you want to look at checkpointing, it's worth going back to look at Condor, because they made it really work. There are a few interesting issues that you need to get right. You can't make it 50% of the way there; that's

Re: [9fans] Plan9 - the next 20 years

2009-04-17 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 7:01 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 3:35 PM, J.R. Mauro jrm8...@gmail.com wrote: Amen. Linux is currently having a seriously hard time getting C/R working properly, just because of the issues you mention. The second you mix in non

Re: [9fans] Plan9 - the next 20 years

2009-04-17 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 10:39 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 7:06 PM, J.R. Mauro jrm8...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, the problem's bigger than I thought (not surprising since I didn't think much about it). I'm having a hard time figuring out how Condor handles

Re: [9fans] Plan9 - the next 20 years

2009-04-17 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 11:37 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: I can imagine a lot of problems stemming from open files could be resolved by first attempting to import the process's namespace at the time of checkpoint and, upon that failing, using cached copies of the file made

Re: [9fans] Plan9 - the next 20 years

2009-04-17 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 11:56 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: Vidi also seems to be an attempt to make Venti work in such a dynamic environment. IMHO, the assumption that computers are always connected to the network was a fundamental mistake in Plan 9 on the other hand,

Re: [9fans] Plan9 - the next 20 years

2009-04-17 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 12:16 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: But I'll say that if anyone tries to solve these problems today, they should not fall into the same trap,  [...] yes.  forward thinking was just the thing that made multics what it is today. it is equally a trap

Re: [9fans] Plan9 - the next 20 years

2009-04-18 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 12:16 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 11:37 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: I can imagine a lot of problems stemming from open files could be resolved by first attempting to import the process's namespace at the

Re: [9fans] Help for home user discovering Plan 9

2009-04-18 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 1:47 AM, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: Every time I have to use something like Linux or MS, I feel overwhelmed by the sheer complexity of it all. Possibly OT, my main beef with Linux and Windows is that they keep wanting to update themselves and the effort to manage

Re: [9fans] Plan9 - the next 20 years

2009-04-18 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 9:50 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: * you can get the same effect by increasing the scale of your system. * the reason conventional systems work is not, in my opinion, because the collision window is small, but because one typically doesn't do

Re: [9fans] Help for home user discovering Plan 9

2009-04-18 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 2:11 AM, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: The update/installation process in Ubuntu sucks. If you try something using BSD ports or Gentoo portage, you can fine tune things and have explicit control over the update process. I was specifically omitting BSD ports, as they are

Re: [9fans] Help for home user discovering Plan 9

2009-04-18 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 2:08 AM, Eris Discordia eris.discor...@gmail.com wrote: This thing about Windows updates, I think it's a non-issue. It's not like updates are mandatory and, as a matter of fact, there's rather fine-grained classification of them on Microsoft's knowledge base which can be

Re: [9fans] Help for home user discovering Plan 9

2009-04-18 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 12:20 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: Seriously, give Gentoo portage a try. There is a sane package management system for Linux. if you don't upgrade in lock step you will get into dependency hell. portage is now exactly what its developers railed

Re: [9fans] Plan9 - the next 20 years

2009-04-18 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 12:20 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 9:10 AM, J.R. Mauro jrm8...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that generally only one process will be accessing a normal file at once. I think an editor is not a good example, as you say. I'll say

Re: [9fans] Plan9 - the next 20 years

2009-04-18 Thread J.R. Mauro
I _do_ think yours should come first! Having to say: yes to an user... If you don't say 'yes' at some point, you won't have a system anyone will want to use. Remember all those quotes about why Unix doesn't prevent you from doing stupid things?

Re: [9fans] Help for home user discovering Plan 9

2009-04-18 Thread J.R. Mauro
, April 18, 2009 12:19 PM -0400 J.R. Mauro jrm8...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 2:08 AM, Eris Discordia eris.discor...@gmail.com wrote: This thing about Windows updates, I think it's a non-issue. It's not like updates are mandatory and, as a matter of fact, there's rather fine-grained

Re: [9fans] Help for home user discovering Plan 9

2009-04-18 Thread J.R. Mauro
/his Windows system won't boot after a clean successful installation. No one asked you to pollute the list the first time around, and I haven't run Windows on anything in years. I'm glad it works for you. Wish I could say the same. --On Saturday, April 18, 2009 3:43 PM -0400 J.R. Mauro jrm8

Re: [9fans] Plan9 - the next 20 years

2009-04-18 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 7:31 PM, Charles Forsyth fors...@terzarima.net wrote: this discussion of checkpoint/restart reminds me of a hint i was given years ago: if you wanted to break into a system, attack through the checkpoint/restart system. i won a jug of beer for my subsequent successful

Re: [9fans] Help for home user discovering Plan 9

2009-04-20 Thread J.R. Mauro
The update/installation process in Ubuntu sucks. If you try something using BSD ports or Gentoo portage, you can fine tune things and have explicit control over the update process. I don't think so, one can acquire a complete control over any common Linux distribution, can opt for tuning

Re: [9fans] Plan9 - the next 20 years

2009-04-20 Thread J.R. Mauro
What kind of latency? For speed of light in fibre optic 30ms is about 8000km (New York to San Francisco and back) Assuming you have a direct fiber connection with no routers in between. I would say that is somewhat rare.

Re: [9fans] roots

2009-04-24 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:16 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: where do they think linux, minux, unix came from? “        It rarely leads to good things when a small community gets        headed off in their own direction, he [lwn editor j. corbet] said. That's odd since he's

[9fans] Vidi

2009-05-17 Thread J.R. Mauro
Does anyone have any updates/links to source code for vidi? I just got a venti up and running to back my laptop up to and I'd really like to have vidi in between for when I'm offline.

Re: [9fans] sources down?

2009-05-23 Thread J.R. Mauro
There are plenty of mirrors, I'm pretty sure the sources is down AGAIN comments could be mitigated by people improving their 9fs scripts.

Re: [9fans] sources down?

2009-05-23 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 8:17 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 4:59 PM, J.R. Mauro jrm8...@gmail.com wrote: There are plenty of mirrors, I'm pretty sure the sources is down AGAIN comments could be mitigated by people improving their 9fs scripts. would

Re: [9fans] sources down?

2009-05-25 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Steve Simon st...@quintile.net wrote: damn, he found out our evil plan... And we would have got away with it if it hadn't been for you pesky kids. And their TALKING DOG.

Re: [9fans] plan 9 regexp

2009-06-03 Thread J.R. Mauro
Speaking of regexes in Plan 9, did the structural awk or stream sam Rob dreamed of in the SE paper ever get realized?

Re: [9fans] plan 9 regexp

2009-06-03 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 7:56 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: On Wed Jun  3 19:41:39 EDT 2009, n...@lsub.org wrote: I have a ssam script that does the work. But  it's not really streaming. El 04/06/2009, a las 1:36, jrm8...@gmail.com escribió: Speaking of regexes in Plan 9,

[9fans] p9p Juke issues

2009-06-03 Thread J.R. Mauro
Hi all, In an attempt to get the Juke program to play nice with other programs wanting to use sound, I modified the Juke script to run 'aoss ajuke $*' This had the result of letting other programs access the sound card, but now Juke can't play more than one song. It seems that ajuke is stuck on

[9fans] geoloc - a crappy script I wrote.

2009-06-05 Thread J.R. Mauro
Hi, Someone on contrib has a gmap (not the shell script one that was mentioned recently, the older(?) one done in C). I made the following stupid script to help start gmap at a user-specified address. Gmap only understands coordinates, which I can't memorize. But it's generally useful besides a

Re: [9fans] geoloc - a crappy script I wrote.

2009-06-05 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 10:12 PM, erik quanstromquans...@quanstro.net wrote: On Fri Jun  5 22:03:29 EDT 2009, jrm8...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Someone on contrib has a gmap (not the shell script one that was mentioned recently, the older(?) one done in C). I made the following stupid script to

[9fans] P9P gmail

2009-06-09 Thread J.R. Mauro
Hi, I've gotten mailfs to work in plan9port with gmail's imap service, and now I'd like to get smtp working so I can reply. Has anyone tried this? Is there a way to do it? How about configuring Acme Mail to use something other than marshal (say, mutt)? Thanks in advance, Jorden

Re: [9fans] critique of sockets API

2009-06-09 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Bhanu Nagendra Pisupatibpisu...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: First off, I really am a big fan of filesystem interfaces as used in Plan 9 - after all my PhD work was based on the model :) Did you do this on Plan 9 or bring some of the filesystem sanity of another OS?

Re: [9fans] p9p venti problem

2009-06-11 Thread J.R. Mauro
I can't help with this in particular, but QEMU does some really low-level hackery to the point where it wouldn't compile with GCC 4, so it's possible something like that is going on here. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Adrian Tritschlera...@ajft.org wrote: I've got a p9p venti running on two

Re: [9fans] rio with virtuals

2009-06-15 Thread J.R. Mauro
p9p rio has virtuals, too. I would tell you to look at the source for more inspiration, but I don't really want to be a comedian. How does one switch desktops? Can/did you implement scrolling on a gray bit to switch? Extending the fs? On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 6:54 PM, j...@csplan9.rit.edu wrote:

Re: [9fans] plumbing to get files from odd filesystems, and get pages from local manuals

2009-06-20 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 2:01 AM, Jason Catenajason.cat...@gmail.com wrote: Some plan9port plumbing I wrote which may help someone. Using the plan9port plumber to find files in ClearCase VOBs. http://www.evernote.com/pub/catena/public#7d2e9774-964f-423c-96e9-5e8721b1a78d Also plumb man(1)

Re: [9fans] Sam commands in acme

2009-06-27 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:57 AM, roger pepperogpe...@gmail.com wrote: you need (.|\n) instead of . sam originally used @ as a match everything character but it was removed, presumably because it was rarely used. That's a stupid reason to remove a good feature. By that token, maybe we should

Re: [9fans] Guide to using Acme effectively?

2009-07-01 Thread J.R. Mauro
first trick, but I do use hold mode... usually after I have typed a few lines and want to edit them. Hold mode is a godsend

Re: [9fans] Guide to using Acme effectively?

2009-07-01 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:00 PM, blstu...@bellsouth.net wrote: perhaps i should have taken piano, but i find the That's an interesting observation.  As it turns out I do play, and it's certainly possible that it colors my taste in UIs. The weirdest thing about piano for me (typist first) is

Re: [9fans] Scrolling for plan9port sam

2009-07-01 Thread J.R. Mauro
Here is a less drunk and better working version of the patch. Scrolling seems to be working perfectly. I hope gmail doesn't eat this patch. = Add scrollwheel support to sam diff -r 5f1b36ecd9db src/cmd/samterm/main.c --- a/src/cmd/samterm/main.cTue Jun 09 09:26:13 2009 -0700 +++

Re: [9fans] Guide to using Acme effectively?

2009-07-02 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:56 AM, Aaron W. Hsuarcf...@sacrideo.us wrote: Does anyone have any suggestions? Perhaps only tangential to what you are after, but there are little scripts like ind, unind, quote, and powerful things like fmt, awk, etc. that you can process your text with. Simply type

Re: [9fans] Guide to using Acme effectively?

2009-07-06 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Ethan Grammatikidiseeke...@fastmail.fm wrote: On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 20:57:19 +0200 cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote: yeah... connecting terminals to warp energy plasma conduits seems to be a bad idea. Yeah, it's also a deeply wierd thing to do unless the terminals

Re: [9fans] my ts7200 port

2009-07-06 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 7:37 PM, ron minnichrminn...@gmail.com wrote: I just ported the linux driver I'm interested in how hard this is, and how it might be made easier.

Re: [9fans] Fonts

2009-07-08 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 4:44 PM, erik quanstromquans...@coraid.com wrote: Speaking of that, is there a way to do the reverse, to get plan 9 Bigelow fonts that Linux can use? I'm sick of my browser not knowing that the character left of the 1 on my keyboard is an open-quote. maybe this is your

Re: [9fans] Fonts

2009-07-08 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 5:47 PM, erik quanstromquans...@quanstro.net wrote: The enlightened use ' and for all kinds of single and double quotes, because you can copy/paste them anywhere and everybody sees them properly. Also, few things in the world look worse than seeing a quote done

Re: [9fans] Fonts

2009-07-08 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 5:51 PM, erik quanstromquans...@quanstro.net wrote: Yes, but with all the work in Acme and Sam, I've become quite accustomed to having ` look nice. It just makes the browser look out of place. It's not just the tick either, I'd like the browser font to generally look the

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