the electromagnetic noise impact is, and how shielded are MB components
from such perturbations...).
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need ; so what everybody has is
obviously what I do need, hence a mass market (the Panurge's sheeps).
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. I will have to investigate (and see what
is producing this).
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to this information through the edid sideband communication, which
is available on almost every video interconnect, including vga.
Thank you. I will try to investigate.
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I like the way the discussion goes. From an outspoken Linus Torvalds
saying nonsense, to a diving into details that progressively gives
points to some operating system with both a lot of things are files,
and namespaces---these are related, but not identical.
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and with european encodings.
And there is TeX for Plan9 via kerTeX:
http://www.kergis.com/en/kertex.html
This is probably not the answer if the question is how to do with troff
etc.; but this is an answer.
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is not only possible: it exists. (This is neither a plea for
a wide use of R.I.S.K. since it has been published by side-effect: I
didn't want to support it for external uses. But if I make a project
public, I publish the framework too...)
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not request ftp. The primitives (R.I.S.K. proper) do not use this.
But I think we mostly agree on the issues.
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in the future).
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to sketch such a parameters file
on a new system.)
And this does what no other framework does: be able to remove
intermediary products, such that you can compile a resulting n
megabytes package with just slightly more than n megabytes of
space...
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tree and
you got to follow this one correct path back. Here, this multiplicity
is simultaneously valid, and all the paths are the correct answer.
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of links, and
long enumerations. But the naming of the nodes is always a problem
(lengthy names, spaces, discrimining characters being put last and
not first bringing identical long prefixes etc.).
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Key
, since it is not the purpose to hide the
explication of the union...
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ignorant, and the user
go wherever he wants.
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of a detail, to solve a non directly related
problem later.
There is a paper by D.E. Knuth, IIRC, speaking about the usefulness of
toy programming. This is it.
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to be
presented? With the convention of .+ and .-, my answer is no: 9P has
no hardcoded knowledge of .. if I'm not mistaken.
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where the three happen to be the very same
machine. But this is a coincidence, not an obligation.
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, this is because of this.
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buffer, with only one legitimate direction, .+0
goes from the end to the beginning, but in the correct direction in
the circular buffer, and selects nothing (since next to end you have
dot).
Hoping not saying too much nonsense.
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There is also http://lsub.org/iwp9/cready/abheyshahplan9.pdf
Thank you! Indeed, this is related.
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.+ for the hierarchical
children, and .- for the reverse hierarchical parents (these being
only a _view_; storage is another story...). So this could be achieved
but by not attempting to provide an ubicuitous view, but only a local
view from the file considered.
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;-)
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for intellectual curiosity.
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or symbolic) on Plan9 could seem
to suppress some facilities. But since this does not give all, even not
a lot (this does not address multidimensional), it happens that it
could be easier to implement something like this in a Plan9 world...
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and more valid
everyday---interconnections, ubiquity or lack of locality of
resources; terminals vs. CPU vs. fileservers etc.
And simplicity...
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by some non empty pattern is a Plan9 way to get
grep -F ?
cpu% echo hola | grep ''
grep: empty pattern
From the POSIX description, an empty pattern is not allowed. '*' is not
an empty pattern.
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no intentions of being posix. grep '*' can be seen as a
literal
escape plus the pattern of ''. this is an empty pattern, thus an error.
In this case, shouldn't the error message be exactly the same?
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is a science, not an art, and will
work as long as the enemy does not do unplanned actions, that is
as long as there is no war.
Can't wait!
Lucky U.S. citizens that have still money to waste! (since printing is
so cheap these days...)
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as is since it has established history.
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placed in the already established evolution tree) and by
making a proper name a common one.
Well, we are far off...
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...
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On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 11:28:47PM -0700, John Floren wrote:
Just when you thought every bikeshed had been painted...
But we don't agree on the colour...
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to
switch to international english ruled by repeated hence agreed on,
hence established errors... And when you will have to say sensible
things, you will need to use a sensible language...[Demoniac laugh]
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, Plan9 is in part, by design, insulated from entropy.
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and the material
benefits I can expect, and I will loose my position as a Y system
wizard.
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the upcoming manual pages for more information.
I hope no-one will consider saying: Thanks! to be noise on the list!
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to be adapted, since they assume
that if 9fat is here, everything is already set. This is wrong after the
above procedure.]
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)
and the -B flag. i have no idea what *bsd tools would want to support this.
Thanks, I will read the manpage and update the document when necessary.
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,
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...
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On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 03:31:14PM +0200, cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote:
9load has to die.
Ideally, yes. I worked, a long time ago, with GRUB and finally realized
that adding feature after feature we were just building another
kernel...
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the wrong
direction.
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long E.U. will last...
My choice on Plan9 (4th or derived systems) is based on technical merits
that I feel will still be true in the near or middle future...
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in the academic world. Not to mention OS study by itself.
So the more Plan9 (or derived) is used---and the TeX framework is
instrumental for this---, the more attraction it will have; and,
by mere statistics, the more potential about students. And the more
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obsolete and you have to load the new(TM), improved(TM) context...
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one not here... I see many missing...
And as Anthony writes, this does not prevent any doing.
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that prevent a more versatile installation.
And fdisk(8) has still to be fixed (on the stack but too many things
going on with KerGIS or kerTeX for me).
From what I have seen, it is a light project.
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---or the rasterizing routines better?
Or perhaps this is simply because it is an old gs(1) without modern
improvements...
And to simply page the file and see it rendered is an advertising for
Plan9!
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if this is due to the Ghostscript version, to the
windowing system of the host or something else.
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to know if the difficulties are
related to the use of LaTeX---on whatever OS---or of some peculiarities
of kerTeX on Plan9.
What does not work?
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/kertex.html (english)
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and LaTeX/ AMS-TeX are on the stack for next.
Since there were people trying the package, I have hurried to release.
This is tested on NetBSD. In theory, this should be OK under Plan9, but
in practice...
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are not paid for peer review
4 times a shame, at least.
If only the result of such a system would be papers worth reading...
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in a very small size. So keeping
it will make a repair tool very handy.
[Note: the installation scripts have to be adapted, since they assume
that if 9fat is here, everything is already set. This is wrong after the
above procedure.]
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9load it seems). [I'm not
saying it should not or whatever; it is a constatation and it probably
makes sense for a Plan9 terminal.]
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displays the size of a file (in bytes).
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?
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not convinced it makes really sense as a general tool
in a Plan9 environment.
But let this thread dies. I have some job to do on fdisk.
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. could do the trick.
Since ls(1) gives the size of the file; since du(1) can not really or at
least not always in an arbitrary context tells the real occupation of
disk size, is not ls(1) enough?
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it promises
in the man page; the lack is just a one line caveat that du(1) can not
answer a fuzzy question.)
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the
iso registered, and not showing.
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) is not accurate with the -h flag:
term% du -sh /
347.8285G /
I have megabytes, not gigabytes.
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at the source) that for Megabytes, it prints a G suffix too...
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.
See the following illustration:
[...]
Thanks for the clarifications.
What puzzles me for now, is the du(1) hole...
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(the only customizations
are for the network, the mouse, the keyboard). I do not play with the
namespace.
Have you an idea where to look to find what are the offending
instructions? /boot(8)?
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way to find the
organization of the namespace on Plan9? (What is mount'ed and what is
bind'ed?
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and what
is bind'ed?
Sure... ns(1) :-)
Missed this one... Thanks!
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the sum of each entry it has printed.
If the entries are repeated (because of multiple binds), it appears in
the sum.
So du(1) does what it says; the sum.
I never thought that perhaps, under Unices, du(1) with hard links will
produce the same misleading result...
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[...]
You can easily build a looped space to test it:
mkdir /tmp/y
mkdir /tmp/y/z
bind /tmp /tmp/y/z
# have fun
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in the listing (but this is arbitrary);
whether the sum is incorrect (in the meaning not the sum of the sizes
displayed) ;)
The devil is in the details.
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and only here (since I have
other means to know with the console).
But this was obviously not clear for me till now!
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side (via pkg_latex
the kerTeX packaging system).
As usual, everything is here:
http://www.kergis.com/kertex.html
http://www.kergis.com/en/kertex.html
If something goes wrong, you have some clue who to contact about...
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And get_mk_install.rc with an obvious typo (for english doc):
READEM - README hence hget fails.
Fixed version online. (Should test all paths...)
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it!
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, it
jumps.
He cuts one more. Jump!---and the flea doesn't jump.
Scientific conclusion: when one cuts legs to a flea, it becomes deaf.
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at work here. the amount
of space wasted off the tail of the last block, and the amount of blocks
required to map the data into the inode completely. it seems that for
my mix of files, 8k is a winner.
Thanks for the data, Erik!
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After disabling snapshots, have you removed the old snapshots
with snapclean 0 in fossilcons?
No. I thought that if low == high epochs, there is no room left for
cleaning?
How do you measure disk usage? Do you use df in fossilcons?
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space requirements of the thing ;)
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the remaining temporary snapshots with:
% 9fs snap
% ls /n/snap
Thanks for the explanations!
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of small text
files, so 8kb is perhaps too much.
TIA
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will lead
to:
m=256 # 2MB for fossil (this will be slow)
wouldn't it be better to increase the minimal size of swap?
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to wedge your machine with it.
Since the installation is for the general case, probably swap can be
dropped.
[BTW, the scripts in sys/lib/dist/pc/inst/, for newcomers, are IMHO
opinion a good place to start to learn more about Plan9.]
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the Plan9 partition before
with another system present on disk (and do print the layout of the MBR)
in order to skip this step in installation.
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patch the existing with changed values (no
need to be efficient for 4 * 16 bytes), and leave clearly alone values
set by others.
And to verify the magic signature for, at least, the active partition
(it would have spot the problem).
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(but perhaps not the well
known one ;).
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in backups. While here,
powerful tools are there, by default, but user may be unaware of
consequences. Perhaps should it be proposed by default, for the let's
see what is Plan9, to get fossil only, and to switch to venti when
things are clear?
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enough. If he's hooked to Plan9---that happened to me ;)---sooner
or later a problem will occur.
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failure.
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is burnt.
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, that was not for
the archival features. And I spent my time on Plan9 looking for the
distributed system, the namespace and so on, not on venti.
The question is more about the defaults and/or the documentation.
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the archival features will not hurt either.
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