Re: [9fans] Foundation new releases question

This was unnecessarily complain-y and overly political. "It would be nice for p9f.org to also link 9front" is all I really meant here. I'm sorry for this message, and appreciate that p9f is both nascent and nobody's actual job. Kind regards, --dho On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 22:25 Devon

Re: [9fans] Foundation new releases question

I've been pretty silent on the list for years, and I hope that as a former collaborator on foundation efforts and former Plan 9 GSoC co-admin and mentor, and assurance that my silence hasn't been ignorance, that my opinion still has weight with folks in p9f. I have to admit a bit of surprise that

Re: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation

So happy to see this finally happened! Thanks for all the effort, and for sticking with it! --dho On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 06:08 wrote: > We are thrilled to announce that Nokia has transferred the copyright of > Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation. This transfer applies to all of the > Plan 9 from

Re: [9fans] Raw ethernet on 9vx

> This was based on some proof-of-concept work I did 10-11 years ago and > then was completed to a better standard in a GSoC project by yiyus. I > guess Ron also did some similar work? I don't recall if I mentored the > project or whether Ron did, or to what extent there was collaboration.

Re: [9fans] Raw ethernet on 9vx

Ah, neat. David's repo seems more up to date. Linux has undergone a few network subsystem and tool revelations in the intervening decade, so may be worth updating the tap executor for modern tools. Happy to help guide on this matter on- or off-list. --dho On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 21:55 wrote:

Re: [9fans] Raw ethernet on 9vx

Hi Remy, This was based on some proof-of-concept work I did 10-11 years ago and then was completed to a better standard in a GSoC project by yiyus. I guess Ron also did some similar work? I don't recall if I mentored the project or whether Ron did, or to what extent there was collaboration. The

Re: [9fans] Re: Plan 9 announcements on twitter

On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 19:57 Lucio De Re wrote: > On 12/6/20, cigar562hfsp952f...@icebubble.org > wrote: > > Lucio De Re writes: > > > >> But do we want a flock of 9front-wielding droids flooding the 9fans > >> mailing list? > > > > Good point. [ ... ] Maybe we should keep Plan 9 a secret.

Re: [9fans] MailRoute: Past Due Invoice for 9fans.net

TL;DR: hosted lists aren’t really a thing anymore and anyone doing it is unlikely to do a good job at it. I used to work for an email service / software provider and recently asked some contacts there about this (hosted lists) sort of thing. It's really not so much that it's not a cool thing

Re: [9fans] Don't Plan 9 C compiler initialize the rest of member of a struct?

Also worth noting that any padding bits are zeroed as well for aggregate and union types. Not just setting all pointer values to NULL and arithmetic types to positive or unsigned zero. Op di 2 apr. 2019 om 08:17 schreef Skip Tavakkolian : > > like this: > > #include > #include > > struct option

Re: [9fans] sources down

This “send it to you privately” ethos is a problem on this list. Why not make it public? —dho On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 2:55 PM David du Colombier <0in...@gmail.com> wrote: > > do you have a script that you used to generate the 9hist repository? > > I always planned to ingest it into my venti. >

Re: [9fans] what heavy negativity!

You're being a real jerk, Kurt. I don't really care what your rationale is; it's simply unnecessary. Flame away, --dho Op vr 5 okt. 2018 om 08:00 schreef Kurt H Maier : > > On Fri, Oct 05, 2018 at 10:39:36AM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > > > > sorry that i bothered you all. > > > > apology

Re: [9fans] subtracting pointers on amd64 6c

2016-01-05 2:28 GMT-08:00 Charles Forsyth : > since 6c is more commonly used now, and there's more interest or need, it's > probably best just to introduce > the difference type and change the result type. it's the same thing with > usize. i get that probably nobody

Re: [9fans] subtracting pointers on amd64 6c

2016-01-05 12:40 GMT-08:00 erik quanstrom <quans...@quanstro.net>: > On Tue Jan 5 11:49:06 PST 2016, charles.fors...@gmail.com wrote: > >> On 5 January 2016 at 19:01, Devon H. O'Dell <devon.od...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > so given any of the exa

Re: [9fans] subtracting pointers on amd64 6c

2016-01-05 14:32 GMT-08:00 : >> there are usable ANSI formats for the difference and sizeof types. > > so one would write %td instead of %ld for ptrdiff type? that seems > easy. yes, and there's support for u/i/o/X/x/etc modifiers > i'm not so sure how usize/ssize

Re: [9fans] subtracting pointers on amd64 6c

2016-01-05 14:57 GMT-08:00 Devon H. O'Dell <devon.od...@gmail.com>: > 2016-01-05 14:32 GMT-08:00 <cinap_len...@felloff.net>: >>> there are usable ANSI formats for the difference and sizeof types. >> >> so one would write %td instead of %ld for ptrdi

Re: [9fans] Has Linux jumped the shark?

2015-07-24 5:05 GMT-07:00 Prof Brucee prof.bru...@gmail.com: Look what I started. And All That Clever Code ... Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it.

Re: [9fans] Has Linux jumped the shark?

2015-07-24 11:52 GMT-07:00 Charles Forsyth charles.fors...@gmail.com: On 24 July 2015 at 18:08, Devon H. O'Dell devon.od...@gmail.com wrote: doesn't remember given that this would have been over 40 years ago. But POSIX remembers and indeed insists on minutiae from 40 years ago! If only we

Re: [9fans] ot: pascal rides again?

http://blog.golang.org/go-slices-usage-and-internals 2015-05-24 8:55 GMT-07:00 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: Uhm I might be mistaken, but I guess [8192]byte is an array, and []byte are slices - therefore they are different types. yes, exactly. i suppose this implies that different

Re: [9fans] compiling 9vx on yosemite

https://bitbucket.org/rsc/plan9port/issue/81/devdraw-does-not-build-on-os-x-lion-latest may be relevant 2015-05-21 9:57 GMT-07:00 Aram Hăvărneanu ara...@mgk.ro: I have not been able to compile vx32 since 10.7 I think. -- Aram Hăvărneanu

Re: [9fans] fossil+venti performance question

2015-05-09 10:35 GMT-07:00 Lyndon Nerenberg lyn...@orthanc.ca: On May 9, 2015, at 10:30 AM, Devon H. O'Dell devon.od...@gmail.com wrote: Or when your client is on a cell phone. Cell networks are the worst. Really? Quite often I slave my laptop to my phone's LTE connection, and I never

Re: [9fans] fossil+venti performance question

2015-05-09 10:25 GMT-07:00 Lyndon Nerenberg lyn...@orthanc.ca: On May 9, 2015, at 7:43 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: easy enough until one encounters devices that don't send icmp responses because it's not implemented, or somehow considered secure that way. Oddly

Re: [9fans] using git

2015-03-19 14:46 GMT-07:00 Skip Tavakkolian skip.tavakkol...@gmail.com: servant of 9fans → loathed → cursed → saint It can (as is probably true in my case) also just stop at either loathed or cursed.

Re: [9fans] cache lines, and 60000 cycles of doom

2014-06-20 7:50 GMT-04:00 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: On Fri Jun 20 01:04:20 EDT 2014, devon.od...@gmail.com wrote: Weird. I assume cycles is using rdtsc or rdtscp. Perhaps some of it is due to a combination of contention and rdtsc(p) being serializing instructions? I forget that

Re: [9fans] cache lines, and 60000 cycles of doom

Weird. I assume cycles is using rdtsc or rdtscp. Perhaps some of it is due to a combination of contention and rdtsc(p) being serializing instructions? On Jun 19, 2014 12:04 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: i'm seeing some mighty interesting timing on my intel ivy bridge. i found

Re: [9fans] waitfree

2014-05-19 22:12 GMT-04:00 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: i get a 126% difference executing lock xadd 1024*1024 times with no branches using cores 4-7 of a xeon e3-1230. i'm sure it would be quite a bit more impressive if it were a bit easier to turn the timer interrupt off. Dunno

Re: [9fans] waitfree

2014-05-20 11:41 GMT-04:00 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: Dunno what to say. I'm not trying this on Plan 9, and I can't reproduce your results on an i7 or an e5-2690. I'm certainly not claiming that all pipelines, processors, and caches are equal, but I've simply never seen this

Re: [9fans] waitfree

2014-05-20 15:30 GMT-04:00 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: I can't think of any reason it should be implemented in that way as long as the cache protocol has a total order (which it must given that the μops that generate the cache coherency protocol traffic have a total order), a state

Re: [9fans] waitfree

The LOCK prefix is effectively a tiny, tiny mutex, but for all intents and purposes, this is wait-free. The LOCK prefix forces N processors to synchronize on bus and cache operations and this is how there is a guarantee of an atomic read or an atomic write. For instructions like cmpxchg and xadd

Re: [9fans] waitfree

So you seem to be worried that N processors in a tight loop of LOCK XADD could have a single processor. This isn't a problem because locked instructions have total order. Section 8.2.3.8: The memory-ordering model ensures that all processors agree on a single execution order of all locked

Re: [9fans] waitfree

2014-05-19 18:05 GMT-04:00 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: On Mon May 19 17:02:57 EDT 2014, devon.od...@gmail.com wrote: So you seem to be worried that N processors in a tight loop of LOCK XADD could have a single processor. This isn't a problem because locked instructions have total

Re: [9fans] music storage

2013/12/9 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: Just beware, in my experience of this (for research purposes, yes really!) many, if not most CD images in WAV or PCM format are in fact decodes of MP3s, and many of these where low bitrate MP3s which are nasty. personally I have moved away from

Re: [9fans] i'm afraid we've had it wrong

I really, really wish you had misspelled his name. 2013/9/29 Brantley Coile brant...@coraid.com Doesn't matter what they say about you as long as they spell your name right. -- Harry Houdini. Sent from my iPad On Sep 29, 2013, at 8:02 PM, Teodoro Santoni asbras...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [9fans] Closed nix development is an insult

2013/9/6 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: I created it I do what I want with it. I believe the rules are different when the work is research, sponsored by public money. People are getting research grants to work on nix. who is getting grants to work on nix? as far as i know, there

Re: [9fans] How useful is a scroll wheel?

Hi Rob, 2013/7/2 Rob Pike robp...@gmail.com: Let me put in a word about the Apple wireless trackpad. I doubt it's got support in Plan 9, although it works from plan9port on the Mac. I am devoted to it now: I use it for scrolling. Right hand for pointing and clicking, left hand for scrolling.

Re: [9fans] How useful is a scroll wheel?

2013/7/8 Kurt H Maier kh...@intma.in: On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 06:09:14AM -0400, Devon H. O'Dell wrote: Although I spend a large part of my time on a Mac laptop, I'm a little puzzled at how or why one would use two hands with the trackpad doohickey. I just have the trackpad built-in -- I don't

Re: [9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?

We've had a lot of success with Intel SSDs, only problem is that they seem to be in short supply right now. We're also looking at Samsung SSDs, and they seem to be perhaps even better than the Intel SSDs. OCZs break often in my experience. 2013/5/3 cinap_len...@gmx.de: ocz seems to have a bad

Re: [9fans] [GSOC 2013] Implement plan9 commands in Go, Goblin

2013/5/1 andrey mirtchovski mirtchov...@gmail.com: my apologies for the tasteless comment, but IMHO making goblin GPL'ed will cause uriel to be spinning at a higher rate than desired. Agree. But I think he means GPL compatible, not GPL. Goblin is MIT-licensed. Also I think there are valid

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] graphics projects

2013/4/26 Peter A. Cejchan tyap...@gmail.com: Also, keep in mind that there is already a well known and popular tiling environment in Plan 9. If you are able to make a window manager with an acme feeling I'm sure many users would be interested. The challenge here is to have the good taste

Re: [9fans] [GSoC] sorry for the last email

2013/4/23 Kurt H Maier kh...@intma.in: On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 04:36:23PM -0400, Matthew Veety wrote: That's fucking stupid. Can he still work on a project with out getting paid for it? Yes, but not through the context of GSoC. It is unfortunate. --dho I'm pretty certain gsoc mentors

[9fans] List Interactions and GSoC

the vitriol down a notch? Kind regards, Devon H. O'Dell

Re: [9fans] John Floren, Im trying to make the world better

2013/3/18 vvs...@gmail.com: http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/verysick Glad you're looking into this. Let me know what you find out. Being sick and feeling depressed because of it isn't considered as clinical. There should be better evidence than that. And it misses a point: there is no

Re: [9fans] Can you pass the Advanced Namespace Test?

2013/3/16 John Stalker stal...@maths.tcd.ie: I'm not going to comment on most of this, but I will say something about this bit: So I try to release ANTS to the Plan 9 community, and I just can't tell what anyone thinks. Some people say it seems cool, but even though I made all this

Re: [9fans] Uriel

He was certainly a lively and unique character in person and on the various lists / channels he frequented. RIP. --dho 2012/10/14 Calvin Morrison mutanttur...@gmail.com: On 14 October 2012 15:55, Sergey Zhilkin szhil...@gmail.com wrote: Oh F*ck... R.I.P Bad news. воскресенье, 14

Re: [9fans] dns poisoning

Nice catch! 2012/8/29 cinap_len...@gmx.de: you are right! baddelegation() is checking for that, but it was not effective because it bailed out before even entering that for loop because of: if(t == nil) t = lookupinfo(dom); if(t == nil)

Re: [9fans] AMD64 system

True story. If I wasn't on a phone i'd elaborate more. On Apr 25, 2012 11:39 PM, Russ Cox r...@swtch.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Strake strake...@gmail.com wrote: What the hell? This is a waste and a fault. long at least ought to be at least a machine word. Use vlong. Why

Re: [9fans] nice terminal...

Glenda Python and the Search for the Holy Broadcom Specs On Apr 22, 2012 1:42 PM, Jeff Sickel j...@corpus-callosum.com wrote: Sign me up as a reviewer for your next theatrical production. A little radio, streaming audio, or even a youtube screening will suffice. On Apr 22, 2012, at 11:22 AM,

Re: [9fans] GSoC 2012

Sending from phone, please pardon errors. There are projects that use gsoc for docs and the like. I would see nothing wrong with someone contributing code to the installer -- especially someone with less familiarity with p9 than most 9fans -- they will likely taake longer than 1-2 weeks.

Re: [9fans] GSoC 2012

Op 24 februari 2012 11:19 heeft Calvin Morrison mutanttur...@gmail.com het volgende geschreven: On 24 February 2012 11:13, Anthony Sorace a...@9srv.net wrote: Folks:        The fine folks over at Google's Open Source Programs Office have announced the 2012 edition of Summer of Code. I

Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones

How difficult is it to get specs and port this to other android devices? I'd love to run this on my motorola droid if I could get all the radios working. --dho (via said droid) On Sep 16, 2011 10:25 PM, paul.a.lalo...@gmail.com paul.a.lalo...@gmail.com wrote: For all these plan9ish things on

Re: [9fans] Acme with accessibility

You might take a look at Dasher: http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/ ...and perhaps their sister project opengazer. Both have plenty of resources (code, papers) on design and implementation, IIRC. And they're pretty cool. --dho 2011/6/25 Mauricio CA mauricio.antu...@gmail.com: Hi, all,

Re: [9fans] 9vx patches [was: 9vx bootimage build instructions?]

2011/5/26 EBo e...@sandien.com: On Thu, 26 May 2011 09:40:31 +0200, yy wrote: 2011/5/26 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: 9vx uses plan9.ini?  last i checked, that assumption was false. That depends where you checked. Ron's version (or mine, they are the same now) has some support for

Re: [9fans] 9vx bootimage build instructions?

I'm pretty sure yiyus's tree (which should be merged to ron's) has a patch I made a few years ago to set max memory (which is the initial bit it mmap's in) --dho 2011/5/26 EBo e...@sandien.com: On Wed, 25 May 2011 22:58:50 -0500, EBo wrote: What is the easiest way to set the memory?  I'm

Re: [9fans] Go Plan 9

Does -fplan9-extensions not do that? Its in the latest gcc for gccgo... On Apr 3, 2011 11:26 AM, Lucio De Re lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: On Sun, Apr 03, 2011 at 06:34:28AM -0400, erik quanstrom wrote: but there definately are some difficult bits. this hacked inclusion of stdio.h is a problem

Re: [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely

2011/2/18 dexen deVries dexen.devr...@gmail.com: On Friday, February 18, 2011 02:29:54 pm erik quanstrom wrote: so this is a complete waste of time if forks getpids. and THREAD_GETMEM must allocate memory.  so the first call isn't exactly cheep.  aren't they optimizing for bad programming?

Re: [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely

2011/2/18 erik quanstrom quans...@labs.coraid.com: I know we're fond of bashing people who need to eek performance out of systems, and a lot of time it's all in good fun. There's little justification for getpid, but getpid isn't the only implementor of this functionality. For other interfaces,

Re: [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely

2011/2/18 dexen deVries dexen.devr...@gmail.com: On Friday, February 18, 2011 04:15:10 pm you wrote: Benchmark utilities to measure the overhead of syscalls. It's cheating to do for getpid, but for other things like gettimeofday, it's *extremely* nice. Linux's gettimeofday(2) beats the socks

Re: [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely

2011/2/18 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: Arguing that performance is unimportant is counterintuitive. It certainly is. Arguing that it is unimportant if it causes unnecessary complexity has merit. Defining when things become unnecessarily complex is important to the argument.

Re: [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely

2011/2/18 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: The high level overview is that it is stored in a shared page, mapped into each new process's memory space at start-up. The kernel is never entered; there are no context switches. The kernel has a timer that updates this page atomically. i

Re: [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely

2011/2/18 andrey mirtchovski mirtchov...@gmail.com: I think it's time that we do some real-world style benchmarks on multiple systems for Plan 9 versus other systems. I'd be interested in Ron did work measuring syscall costs and latencies in plan9. I would love to duplicate that across

Re: [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely

2011/2/18 Rob Pike robp...@gmail.com: The more you optimize, the better the odds you slow your program down.  Optimization adds instructions and often data, in one of the paradoxes of engineering.  In time, then, what you gain by optimizing increases cache pressure and slows the whole thing

Re: [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely

2011/2/18 ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com: On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 9:32 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: wire speed is generally considered good enough.  ☺ Touche. depends on field of use. In my biz everyone hits wire speed, and the question from there is: how much of the CPU

Re: [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely

2011/2/18 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: DKIM), etc., it's just not really feasible on commodity hardware. (Of course, these days, operating systems and RAID controllers with battery-backed caches make it impossible to guarantee that your message ever ends up in persistent storage, but

Re: [9fans] 9vx on OpenBSD

He mentioned it being i386 On Feb 15, 2011 8:19 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: hey is this 64 or 32 bit system? uname -a? If you told me that already, sorry, I missed it. ron

Re: [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely

2011/2/2 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: There was some mention that, during the history of Plan 9, developers had difficulty maintaining two different languages on the system.  I wonder how much of that difficulty would still apply today.  Although the kernel could concievably be

Re: [9fans] plan9 go output faults on 9vx with rfork

2011/1/23 Charles Forsyth fors...@terzarima.net: in the plan 9 world, a 64-bit kernel runs 64-bit applications, and 32-bit applications run on a 32-bit kernel. a 64-bit 9vx would run programs produced by 6[acl] (well, in principle: it would need to be derived from the 64-bit kernel) It would,

Re: [9fans] maintaining p9p

2011/1/22 Rudolf Sykora rudolf.syk...@gmail.com: Hello, seems I really don't understand much presently. The p9p install(1) says: Once the system is built for the first time, it can be maintained and rebuilt using mk(1). To rebuild individual commands or libraries, run mk install and

Re: [9fans] plan9 go output faults on 9vx but ok on cpu

2011/1/11 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: On Tue Jan 11 02:55:42 EST 2011, skip.tavakkol...@gmail.com wrote: hell-o.go is like hello.go but uses println. 8.hell-o works properly on a plan9 cpu. but it faults when running on 9vx. i built vx32 -- including 9vx -- on a linux/x86-64 from

Re: [9fans] ape sockets and plan9

2010/12/28 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 3:41 AM, Bakul Shah bakul+pl...@bitblocks.com wrote: On Sat, 25 Dec 2010 17:04:01 GMT Steve Simon st...@quintile.net  wrote: I think this is an artifact of 9vx (not 100% sure though), Indeed. Programs under 9vx can

Re: [9fans] 9VX failure

pcap is for the virtual ethernet driver to use the native ip stack. there's another one that uses TAP that yiyus finalized from someone else's efforts (I'm not giving due credit here, sorry). If you don't have pcap just don't build etherve.c. --dho 2010/9/11 Lucio De Re lu...@proxima.alt.za: On

Re: [9fans] plan 9 virtual hosting?

I at one point had a VPS solution using 9vx. Jesus Galan expanded on that in his summer of code project using server written in Go. If there is sufficient interest, I'd be happy to start that up again. --dho 2010/9/7 John Osborne osbor...@gmail.com: I've been looking around for virtual hosting

Re: [9fans] source header question

2010/8/20 EBo e...@sandien.com: i guess you answered that yourself. does p9p run on Plan 9? There a plenty of programs which are made to run under both p9p and plan9. So, no the question is still open, but I will rephrase it. Should any program which can run under p9p and plan9 ever be

Re: [9fans] source header question

I meant my understanding was that Sun's compiler is a C++ compiler. As Lyndon points out, C is a subset. I may be wrong, but it can't possibly hurt to leave it in. Any c++ compiler should be able to compile it. On Aug 20, 2010 6:00 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote: Should any program

Re: [9fans] Auth-ed mount of sources from 9?

Take a look at 9fs. It's just a wrapper script, but per default passes a flag to not auth (so that anybody can mount sources without needing to read manpages, I guess). --dho 2010/8/2 Venkatesh Srinivas m...@endeavour.zapto.org: Hi, How do you mount sources auth-ed from 9? I must confess

Re: [9fans] offered without comment or judgement

2010/6/30 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: I certainly have several nonsensical words / names for my cats. None of them contain numbers or punctuation or anything associated with a strong passphrase. The longest of these is probably about 12 characters. And a system that can try a billion

Re: [9fans] offered without comment or judgement

2010/6/29 Wes Kussmaul w...@authentrus.com: Stanley Lieber wrote: Anywhere legitimate identification is used, legitimate identification can be purchased. There are imperfect but very good ways to protect against that vulnerability. They vary with the needs (and budgets) of relying parties.

Re: [9fans] Go/Inferno toolchain (Was: comment and newline in

2010/6/29 Rob Pike robp...@gmail.com: On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Eric Van Hensbergen eri...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 4:26 AM,  lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: but I can dig them up, clean them up, and share them, My particular concern is to encourage convergence towards a

Re: [9fans] offered without comment or judgement

2010/6/29 Steve Simon st...@quintile.net: But you can do at least as good as these forms of ID. PKI requires knowledge of some sort of passkey. (I just worry about identification for people who are not smart enough to pick a good key. Which, unfortunately, is also most people. My

Re: [9fans] megamouse?

See also http://cyborggaming.com/ for complicated mice :) 2010/6/29 David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com: http://warmouse.com/pr062810.html Looks complicated.

Re: [9fans] Inducing artificial latency

2010/6/15 John Floren slawmas...@gmail.com: I'm going to be doing some work with 9P and high-latency links this summer and fall. I need to be able to test things over a high-latency network, but since I may be modifying the kernel, running stuff on e.g. mordor is not the best option. I have

Re: [9fans] Inducing artificial latency

2010/6/15 John Floren slawmas...@gmail.com: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Devon H. O'Dell devon.od...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/6/15 John Floren slawmas...@gmail.com: I'm going to be doing some work with 9P and high-latency links this summer and fall. I need to be able to test things over

Re: [9fans] system call trace version of 9vx available.

2010/5/19 ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com: On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Bakul Shah bakul+pl...@bitblocks.com wrote: It gives you the option of not restarting the system call until later. There could be more complex usage scenarios. I don't understand this. You read the start of the

Re: [9fans] 3-button mouse

2010/5/6 Mathieu Lonjaret mathieu.lonja...@gmail.com: Hello, Just one comment about the vertical Evoluent mouse (I bought one a few months ago since Russ recommended them). I also recommended it in another recent thread on mice. It can be pretty hard to get used to it. I had to force myself

Re: [9fans] tun/tap support for 9vx

2010/5/7 Tully Gray tullyg...@arc.net.au: Hi, I have modified Erik Quanstrom's raw socket ethernet driver for 9vx so that it uses the Linux kernel's tap device. It seems to work just fine. I create the tap device first using tunctl which comes with the Usermode Linux toolkit but I don't

Re: [9fans] three sets of windows

2010/4/28 Patrick Kelly kameo76...@gmail.com: My netbook's trackpad is unacceptable for Plan 9 use, and since it doesn't have a PS/2 port I can't plug in one of my old Logitechs. I've been using http://www.thehumansolution.com/evoluent.html recently, and I do love it. How the hell is a

Re: [9fans] three sets of windows

2010/4/28 John Floren slawmas...@gmail.com: On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 6:54 PM, Tim Newsham news...@lava.net wrote: I'm curious about the 3-button mouse... (haven't seen one for a long while, but seems like it might be worth getting one.) you might have seen one and not even known it.  Many mice

Re: [9fans] 9vx patch to read environment var PLAN9

2010/4/15 EBo e...@sandien.com: Define reasonable. For me, that’s just 1 single spot. But it seems the Linux people are very insistent on Freedom meaning do what you want, even if it's against the build suggestions. I say stick to one hardcoded path, and make everyone else stop doing it

Re: [9fans] /sys/lib/newuser patch

2010/4/12 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: 2010/4/12 hiro 23h...@googlemail.com: I have not the slightest idea about the complexity involved; And I think I misunderstand how much of plan9 is actually running in a sandbox. But what if we wanted to have a working security system for

Re: [9fans] 9vx patch to read environment var PLAN9

2010/4/11 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: recommend using a different environment variable other than PLAN9, since that is taken by p9p to mean something else. Agreed. PLAN9ROOT seems good. --dho - erik

Re: [9fans] missing machs unearthed

2010/4/5 ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com: On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 2:20 AM, Richard Miller 9f...@hamnavoe.com wrote: i've had a core i7 machine for some time with 4c/8t. unfortunately, the mp table has only 4 processor entries. My impression is that mp tables are getting worse and worse on new

Re: [9fans] ken-cc, 64 bits machine, and 32 bits integers

vlong 2010/3/30 EBo e...@sandien.com: with kenc, long === 32 bits even on 64 bit machines; there is no difference in storage size between long and int. out of curiosity, does kenc implement long long's?

Re: [9fans] recreational programming of an evening

2010/3/21 Bakul Shah bakul+pl...@bitblocks.com: [snip] What's really missing is a whole book on hands on OS hacking along the lines of the Art of Electronics or SICP (Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs).  And with a kit of h/w i/o devices so that you can build some widgets and

Re: [9fans] GO/Plan 9 toolchain

2010/1/10 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: I believe that Bell Labs are actively involved in the port of GO to Plan 9, I'm not sure how much my efforts are likely to contribute to that particular project. could anyone confirm this? Sape mentioned either on go-nuts on on 9fans at some

Re: [9fans] 9P libraries for Go

2009/11/25 Latchesar Ionkov lu...@ionkov.net: I added a Makefile in the repository that builds the packages outside of the go tree. Any plans for filing a CL to add those to Go's src/pkg repo? I'm sure it would be welcomed. --dho Thanks,    Lucho On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 7:04 PM, Roman

Re: [9fans] Go

2009/11/12 Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org: On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Nick LaForge nicklafo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 7:20 AM, Roman V Shaposhnik r...@sun.com wrote: Personally I think you'd be better off exploring a connection that a language called Lua has to

Re: [9fans] Go

2009/11/12 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: Speaking of VMs (and Limbo) -- I'm wondering if Go is eventually going to have it anyway. Any reason not to? It can be perceived as a competitor to C if it has a runtime, but not if it has a VM. So I don't think it would grow one. why do

Re: [9fans] dtrace for plan 9

2009/11/9 erik quanstrom quans...@coraid.com: I keep hearing this brought up, but (while I am not an expert) AFAICT, the runtime for each D hook should be strictly bounded by the number of instructions lobbed in, since D does not (without root override, perhaps?) support backwards jumps.  

Re: [9fans] dtrace for plan 9

2009/11/9 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: DTrace by itself is pretty lame. It needs providers to be interesting. By itself, it's a very limited interpreter that supports BEGIN and END, and a couple other tiny things (ERROR, maybe?). Devtrace would be analogous to the syscall provider for

[9fans] ZFS Dedup

ZFS now does deduplication: http://blogs.sun.com/bonwick/entry/zfs_dedup --dho

Re: [9fans] dtrace for plan 9

2009/10/27 ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com: I realize it is early but a neat GSOC project would be to take the mods I made to 8l and friends and use these as a way to build dtrace for plan 9. Getting CTF working in Plan 9 would be difficult since it's not ELF. It was annoying enough to get

Re: [9fans] Anyone familiar with glomation?

2009/10/6 ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com: http://www.glomationinc.com/ 49 bucks! It's an arm 9 -- anybody know what variety? I pasted them here about 6 or so months ago. It's 49 bucks at quantity. For a single system, it goes up to $85. The processor is an Atmel. ron

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