Re: [9fans] troll paper

[Kim Shrier]

> On Apr 12, 2024, at 4:56 AM, David Arnold  wrote:
> 
>> The vetting process needs some work, lads.
> 
> More heresy than trolling, perhaps?
> 
> It was thought-provoking for me.  I wished I was there for the bar session 
> afterwards. 
> 
> d

It didn’t read like a troll paper to me.  I periodically go through
a similar exercise of thinking about how I would re-evaluate
various Plan 9 decisions given the environment we find
ourselves in, more than 35 years after the original work
was done.

I do have an answer to the question, “Do we really have to
have our own kernel?”.

Yes.

Making decisions about fundamental principles upon which
you build your system has profound impacts on every aspect
of the software, including the kernel itself.  Linux is not a good
substitute for Plan 9.

And, I take particular exception to recommending Kubernetes
as a tool for deploying services.  I am having to live through
Kubernetes hell in my day job.  And, if I hear about it being
“declarative” as a virtue, I point to the 81,000+ lines (and
growing) of YAML, that I defy any one human to comprehend.

I do think it is a good exercise to reevaluate the premises on
which one builds their systems in order to see if something
needs to change or a completely different approach is
warranted.

I just come to different conclusions than the author of this
paper.

Kim
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[9fans] Expired certificate

[Kim Shrier]

I noticed that the certificate for p9f.org expired on December 19.

Also, trying to send an email to webmas...@p9f.org fails with
the following error.


: host aspmx.l.google.com[142.250.113.27] said: 550-5.1.1
   The email account that you tried to reach does not exist. Please try
   550-5.1.1 double-checking the recipient's email address for typos or
   550-5.1.1 unnecessary spaces. For more information, go to 550 5.1.1
   https://support.google.com/mail/?p=NoSuchUser
   by7-20020a056830608700b006dc2a52b5fesi1870728otb.254 - gsmtp (in reply to
   RCPT TO command)
Reporting-MTA: dns; mail.westryn.net
X-Postfix-Queue-ID: 344849431E5
X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; k...@westryn.net
Arrival-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 17:08:09 -0700 (MST)

Final-Recipient: rfc822; webmas...@p9f.org
Original-Recipient: rfc822;webmas...@p9f.org
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Remote-MTA: dns; aspmx.l.google.com
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550-5.1.1 The email account that you tried to reach does
   not exist. Please try 550-5.1.1 double-checking the recipient's email
   address for typos or 550-5.1.1 unnecessary spaces. For more information, go
   to 550 5.1.1  https://support.google.com/mail/?p=NoSuchUser
   by7-20020a056830608700b006dc2a52b5fesi1870728otb.254 - gsmtp



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Re: [9fans] man.cat-v.org tls cert

[Kim Shrier]

> On Oct 30, 2022, at 11:52 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM) 
>  wrote:
> 
> Duckduckgo isn't happy with the above site's tls cert.  Did it
> expire?  Or is something more nefarious happening …
> 

The cert is for doc.cat-v.org  which does not match the 
name of the server.

Kim





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Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Foundation

[Kim Shrier]

Great news.

As soon as you work out the details, please announce on this list.
I would like to become a member and donate $ as well.

Kim

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Re: [9fans] Plan 9 announcements on twitter

[Kim Shrier]

> On Nov 12, 2020, at 2:36 PM, Skip Tavakkolian  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> FYI, for those of you who are on twitter, I've set up the twitter handle 
> @Plan9_OS to push news and announcements to the community.   Please consider 
> following it; and if you tweet about Plan 9 or related topics, please try to 
> include this handle in your announcements.
> 
> Thanks,
> -Skip

I hope this does not become the preferred method for news and announcements.

I don’t have a twitter account and have no plans to change that.

Kim



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Re: [9fans] booting plan9 under bhyve

[Kim Shrier]

> On May 5, 2018, at 1:49 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg  wrote:
> 
> Has anyone has managed to boot any of the plan9 variants under FreeBSD's 
> bhyve hypervisor?  Just curious to hear about any success/fail experiences.
> 
> --lyndon
> 
> 

I have 9front 6350 that I successfully booted under bhyve on freebsd current.  
I haven’t had time to experiment with it other than booting it and seeing that 
it appears to run.

Kim

Re: [9fans] SHA-1 collision and venti

[Kim Shrier]

I have had a personal project on my list of "things to do
when I have time", is to redo venti using sha256.  Does
any body see any problems with doing that?

Kim

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 image for xhyve/bhyve hypervisor/vm?

[Kim Shrier]

> On Jan 27, 2016, at 3:02 PM, Matthew Veety  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 27 Jan 2016, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
> 
>> I am going to give it a try this weekend, but I'm wondering if anyone has
>> built an image for xhyve (OSX) or bhyve (BSD)? It seems the virtio drivers
>> should work.
>> I think it would be a good alternative to 9vx. it might be the easy way to
>> try a distro.
>> 
> 
> I have a 9front cpu server running in bhyve currently. Seems to work alright. 
> I'm booting it with the CSM/EFI stuff thats in -CURRENT.

do you have details on how you did this.  I would be interested in getting a 
cpu server running under bhyve.

Kim

Re: [9fans] pretty cool

[Kim Shrier]

> On Sep 26, 2015, at 9:53 PM, Skip Tavakkolian  
> wrote:
> 
> in case you missed on twitter:
> 
> http://tryinferno.reverso.be/
> 

First they ignore you,
then they laugh at you,
then they fight you,
then you win.*

looks like Plan 9  is at stage 2.

*Mahatma Gandhi

Re: [9fans] Wildly off-topic

[Kim Shrier]

My copy of the first edition from 1978 has a white cover with blue lettering.

Kim

[9fans] is plan9.bell-labs.com down

[Kim Shrier]

I am unable to connect to the web server at plan9.bell-labs.com and
I have tried from machines in 4 different geographical locations.

Kim

Re: [9fans] iwp9.org (Re: BibTex collections of all 4 proceedings)

[Kim Shrier]

On May 14, 2010, at 9:58 PM, EBo wrote:




I lived in NM for 8 years, I loved it, still do, but ABQ fails the
transport hub criterion.

I had lots of complaints about that when we had conferences in  
santa fe.


Actually, Santa Fe is a pain to have as a destination for an  
international
conference unless there is a reason to be at the capital or Los  
Alamos...



 EBo --



If I thought people would actually come, I would see if I could organize
something in Ouray Colorado.  It is about 300 miles north of Albuquerque
in the San Juan Mountains.  You get there by first flying to Denver,
Phoenix, or Albuquerque, then catching a puddle-hopper to Montrose and
then renting a car or catching a shuttle to go the remaining 35 miles to
Ouray.  I think it fails the transport hub test but it would be  
equally

inconvenient for everyone and the hotel rates are cheap in October.

Kim

Re: [9fans] iwp9.org (Re: BibTex collections of all 4 proceedings)

[Kim Shrier]

On May 15, 2010, at 10:12 AM, EBo wrote:



If I thought people would actually come, I would see if I could  
organize

something in Ouray Colorado.


Do you live in that neck of the woods?



Yes.  There aren't many tech people around here and I think it would
be great to get a group of Plan 9 people here.  However, since that is
unlikely, I am figuring out if I can make it to Seattle this year. I
have a client in Eugene Oregon that I visit and Seattle isn't that much
further.

Kim

Re: [9fans] Very Off-Topic: Anybody here reads Sci-Fi? :)

[Kim Shrier]

On Dec 4, 2008, at 8:01 AM, roger peppe wrote:


i feel extremely hypocritical responding to this thread,
because it really *is* so very off topic, but i have to
put in a plug for Greg Egan. absolutely brilliant for extreme
(and well thought out) technological extrapolation. he's got a  
computer-sciency

background (he might even have heard of plan 9...)

i'm stopping there, though i could go on and on.



I have noticed a dearth of recommendations for the very early sci-fi
writers.  I enjoy reading Jules Verne.  In particular, Journey to to
the Center of the Earth, and Mysterious Island.  Then there is
H. G. Wells.  The Time Machine has already been mentioned but other
ones I liked are A Story of Days to Come, When the Sleeper Wakes,
and I find his numerous short stories interesting.  If you are looking
for something in a lighter vein, there is Edgar Rice Burroughs.  I
liked his At the Earth's Core series and his Venus and Mars series.

Kim

Re: [9fans] mmap

[Kim Shrier]

On Nov 4, 2008, at 9:02 AM, ron minnich wrote:

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 11:15 PM, Andrew Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:

I don't want to imply that Ron is quite such an old fart as me, but
somehow I don't get the impression that he was a kid in 1981, when
Time Bandits came out. Ron, if you could give some clue as to when
you saw the movie, I'm pretty sure that the group could mount a
co-ordinated effort to identify it.



It had to be 1963.

I am doubtless older than you, my common experience nowadays is being
older than everyone.

But so much more charming!



I think the movie is The Time Travelers.

I remember seeing it in the early 60's.

Maybe I'm getting too old... Hey you kids! Get off of my lawn.

Kim