Re: [9fans] Touchpad

2018-09-20 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 03:43:48PM +, DHAN HURLEY wrote: > Hi, > I am sorry to break into your discussion.How do i UNSUBSCRIBE from this list > Many thanks, > Dhan Hurley List-Unsubscribe: ,

Re: [9fans] 9front VMX

2018-09-10 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 06:57:29PM +0100, Steve Simon wrote: > is there any graphics support? would it be usable to run a browser? dillo > talking to a framebuffer maybe? > > ever hopefull of getting modern browser support in plan9... > > -Steve This is documented in the linked fqa section.

Re: [9fans] 9P or better file services for multiple platforms

2018-09-02 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Sun, Sep 02, 2018 at 08:09:55PM +0200, Lucio De Re wrote: > On 9/2/18, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > > > > Regarding authentication and access control, I think the only *standard* > > option for a mixed OS environment (Plan 9, Linux/*BSD, Windows) is > > Kerberos. > > > Is that still actively used

Re: [9fans] updating awk ...

2018-08-29 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 12:40:21AM -0400, Benjamin Purcell wrote: > Spew here. I only made minimal changes to 9front awk to convert it to On the topic of awk, a while ago Paul A. Patience did some work to the awk in Boyd's contrib, so people interested in a native awk have options these days.

Re: [9fans] Tcl on Plan 9

2018-08-18 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 10:53:51PM +0300, Олег Бахарев wrote: > Is there a Tcl for Plan 9? And where can I get it? fgb had it in contrib: http://9p.io/sources/contrib/fgb/replica/tcl/ khm

Re: [9fans] What are you using Plan 9 for?

2018-06-20 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 10:35:42PM +0100, Ethan A. Gardener wrote: > > a sort of operating system where the primary interface to all tasks is > a Forth interpreter. I think we've talked about this in another venue some years back, but I often thing of the OpenFirmware implementation used by the

Re: [9fans] how to undo in Rio shell window and Acme editor?

2018-05-09 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Wed, May 09, 2018 at 02:32:53PM +0800, 刘宇宝 wrote: > > I miss much the *universal* shortcut Ctrl-z on Window and Command-z on > macOS, does Rio and Acme have the equivalent? > Both the Ctrl key and the z key are fully supported on 9front Systems. To remove undesired characters from the

Re: [9fans] test(1) support for string length (-l) in p9p?

2018-04-10 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 09:28:42AM +0200, dexen deVries wrote: > the man page of test(1) mentions "-l string" as string length operator > for -eq, -gt, etc. > but there seems to be nothing in the plan9port's src/cmd/test.c, nor > in 9p.io/sources/cmd/test.c > > is there any implementation of this

Re: [9fans] nupas

2018-03-04 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Sun, Mar 04, 2018 at 10:26:46PM +, Steve Simon wrote: > Great, thanks. > > I just need to work out how to migrate my mailboxes > and incorperate my changes to upas (spam prevention). > > -Steve > Erik wrote splitmbox; that can handle the conversion to nupas mdir format. Make sure

Re: [9fans] Fwd: ubiquitous environment?

2018-03-03 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Sat, Mar 03, 2018 at 07:13:57PM +, Steve Simon wrote: > > personally i think this idea will become more and more important as we get > fiber to the home, local storage will become a thing of the past. I remember hearing this sentiment with '9600 baud modems' standing in for 'fiber to

Re: [9fans] There is no fork

2018-02-13 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 06:21:42PM +, Rui Carmo wrote: > > Yes. And to deliver an image for the Pi, built on Intel systems. Always good to specify the deliverables. > I struggle to understand how version control is not more actively used. It's not particularly necessary when you have

Re: [9fans] There is no fork

2018-02-13 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 05:01:35PM +, Rui Carmo wrote: > > A full build environment (the way I’m used to having it) comprises the > end-to-end automation for creating a full build, A full build of what? It's one command to rebuild the whole OS. Is that the goal? > triggered by an

Re: [9fans] There is no fork

2018-02-13 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 03:10:34PM +, Rui Carmo wrote: > > The main issue for me is putting together a build environment on top of KVM > or Linux, which isn’t covered in the FQA. > What is a "build environment"? The FQA contains an entire chapter (3.3.1) on installing to qemu on linux.

Re: [9fans] R.I.P cs.bell-labs.com

2018-01-05 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Fri, Jan 05, 2018 at 07:32:12PM -0600, Steven Stallion wrote: > Ouch. I'd hate to think the work I did on that is somehow associated > with 9front. If you don't want people to use it, don't put it on the internet. khm

Re: [9fans] R.I.P cs.bell-labs.com

2018-01-05 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Fri, Jan 05, 2018 at 09:08:58PM +1100, Rob Pike wrote: > Everyone is naming sites to check out, but which one has the right > contents, is being maintained, and will be stable? That's never existed to begin with. Nothing's changed to suddenly make it likely. khm

Re: [9fans] questions whose answers are only known by people who abandoned 9fans

2017-10-17 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 11:56:12AM +1100, Rob Pike wrote: > It went away because it wasn't necessary. Thanks for the insight. khm

Re: [9fans] questions whose answers are only known by people who abandoned 9fans

2017-10-17 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 05:46:22PM -0700, Kurt H Maier wrote: > > implementation of sam, the '@' operator (which behaved like '*' except The '@' operator (c=ANYNL) behaved like '.' (c=ANY) not '*' (c=STAR). Apologies for the egregious misinformation, khm

[9fans] questions whose answers are only known by people who abandoned 9fans

2017-10-17 Thread Kurt H Maier
Speaking of letter capitalization, Between the v10/jerq implementation of sam and the plan 9 implementation of sam, the '@' operator (which behaved like '*' except it also matched newlines) was removed. Please make shit up to explain this and/or tell us if you actually know why. Thanks, khm

Re: [9fans] The Case for Bind

2017-09-14 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 07:55:21PM +, Marshall Conover wrote: > khm - Unfortunately, that would conflict with the browsing model I want to > propose once I've proven my worth - in which the user emails a daemon with > the site they want, which the daemon then wgets, forwards to them, and >

Re: [9fans] The Case for Bind

2017-09-14 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 02:58:02PM +, Marshall Conover wrote: > > As someone who's neither on their > team nor an employee of google, I feel that I'm going to need to make a > damn good argument Suggest to them that the namespace status could be exposed to javascript and used to enhance the

Re: [9fans] equality sign in Rc

2017-05-16 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 03:32:09PM -0400, s...@9front.org wrote: > Honestly, the equality sign is never a problem for me. > What is the purpose again of making this change? > > sl Why won't anyone answer this question? Is bikeshedding a minor inconvenience worth this kind of complexity? khm

Re: [9fans] unix 8th/10th edition sources

2017-04-01 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Sun, Apr 02, 2017 at 12:21:58AM +, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > Thanks for the correction. I saw that in David's email, but I was confused > by the "author:" header when looking at blit.c with the hg web interface: > >

Re: [9fans] IPV6

2017-04-01 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Sat, Apr 01, 2017 at 02:46:53AM -0700, Ori Bernstein wrote: > On Sat, Apr 01, 2017 at 08:36:55PM +1100, Bruce Ellis wrote: > > Does anyone know what IPV6 addresses like fec0:0:0:%1 mean and how to > > make a real (plan9) IPV6 address from them. > > > > Regards. > > > > brucee > > The

Re: [9fans] 9front sources (9p importable)?

2017-04-01 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Sat, Apr 01, 2017 at 08:53:46AM +, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > is there a "sources" repo for 9front? yep. '9fs 9front' should mount it, although we're currently considering breaking this out into various smaller bites -- it currently mounts contrib, sources, the buglist, and the mailing

Re: [9fans] diff side-by-side, an rc challange

2017-03-09 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Thu, Mar 09, 2017 at 03:56:34PM +, Steve Simon wrote: > Hi, > > I am having to dig through some data files comparing similar results, > I really need a side-by-side compare. Does comm(1) not work for this case? khm

Re: [9fans] Update APE

2017-02-21 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 08:38:58AM +, Charles Forsyth wrote: > On 21 February 2017 at 04:12, Kurt H Maier <k...@sciops.net> wrote: > > > with the possible > > exception of Forsyth's 9k repository [1], which doesn't appear to have > > got much updating recently

Re: [9fans] Update APE

2017-02-20 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 02:59:27AM +, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > > It begs the question of how do we organize a community maintained > repository? There isn't "a" community, so it's pretty pointless. The list you posted is the complete list of stuff that matters with the possible exception

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 5th Edition

2016-11-21 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 09:19:13PM -0500, Wes Kussmaul wrote: > > > On 11/19/2016 05:27 PM, David Arnold wrote: > > On 17 Nov 2016, at 12:18, Kurt H Maier wrote: > >> On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 07:55:38PM -0500, Charlie Lin wrote: > > > >>> Als

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 5th Edition

2016-11-19 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 10:26:36PM -0600, Ryan Gonzalez wrote: > ...which got shut down earlier this year: > > https://opensource.googleblog.com/2015/03/farewell-to-google-code.html?m=1 > This must have come to a shock to their users! I wonder what they did

Re: [9fans] Hack font for plan9

2016-11-16 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 02:30:08PM +1300, Andrew Simmons wrote: > What size grapefruit are we talking here? Using grapefruit bought from my > local supermarket > (http://www.paknsave.co.nz/upper-north-island/auckland/royal-oak/) I could > fit at most 5 vertically, 7 horizontally into the screen

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 5th Edition

2016-11-16 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 07:21:14PM -0500, Charlie Lin wrote: > Add one more: EFI support > Also, can Plan 9 be booted on Open Firmware? (Used on at least Sun SPARC > workstations) > > On Nov 16, 2016 5:27 PM, "Charlie Lin" wrote: > > > Any plans for Plan 9 5th edition? >

Re: [9fans] Job interview questions

2016-11-09 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 07:03:24PM +1300, Andrew Simmons wrote: > I’ve just been asked to respond to the following. Apart from number 8, where > the answer is clearly “because they are clinically insane”, I am at a loss. > Any hints from the group? > Happy to help. > 1) What is the

Re: [9fans] Question re source trees

2016-10-31 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 10:23:18AM +, Richard Miller wrote: > > Sorry, I'm away from home at present. I'll email you a copy of the > bluetooth source later this week. > > The pi3 wifi driver will go into my contrib this week too. I'm sorry > for the delay. > No apologies! I just wanted

Re: [9fans] Question re source trees

2016-10-28 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 11:54:03AM +0100, Richard Miller wrote: > > > > I can also supply bluetooth code for the pi3 if anyone is interested. > > > > > > > I am interested. Will it be part of your next pi release? > > Probably not for a while. I would have to write some man pages first. Is your

Re: [9fans] Question re source trees

2016-09-29 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 09:08:27AM +0100, Richard Miller wrote: > > I can also supply bluetooth code for the pi3 if anyone is interested. > I am interested. Will it be part of your next pi release? khm

Re: [9fans] 9front 5492 1919

2016-09-19 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 04:56:39PM -0700, Jules Merit wrote: > Go away Die NSA release fails to go beyond... > "759M memory: 256M kernel data. 503M user, 1128M swap" See section 9.5.2 of the 9front FQA: http://fqa.9front.org/fqa9.html#9.5.2 Further troubleshooting should probably happen on the

Re: [9fans] Distros

2016-09-11 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 07:39:31PM +0200, Andrés Domínguez wrote: > 2016-09-11 18:40 GMT+02:00 Benjamin Huntsman > : > > with amd64 support? > > the rpi image > I predict suffering. Benjamin: I wouldn't get too hung up on amd64 specifically. Labs, 9atom,

Re: [9fans] Plan9 and VMs

2016-09-02 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Fri, Sep 02, 2016 at 03:00:26PM -0700, Bakul Shah wrote: > > Don't keep updating it. Problem solved! Our problem was that each individual user who reported a problem on vbox was running an apparently unique version -- I don't think we ever had two trouble reports that matched each other, or

Re: [9fans] Musings on Interfaces

2016-09-02 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Fri, Sep 02, 2016 at 09:19:48AM -0500, Steven Stallion wrote: > > Strange... Option+click works great for me when I don't have a > 3-button USB mouse plugged in (they make these too you know). Chording > using the keyboard is quite pleasant as well. > We call this 'typing'

Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive

2016-08-31 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 12:55:09PM -0500, Steven Stallion wrote: > Perhaps it's better to be known for the occasional masturbatory > session than for being an incorrigible troll. You know we forked the operating system, right? I know it's hard to keep track of things since google reader went

Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive

2016-08-31 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:52:31PM -0700, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > > plan 9 as more than a masturbatory aid. > > put up or shut up: Sorry, I can't win uptime games, as the kernel I use is maintained. To my great regret, instead of six hundred 50MFLOPS computers I don't use, I only have three or

Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive

2016-08-30 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 12:51:39AM +, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > some here still prefer hammer/chisel/stone to new-fangled > quill/ink/parchment Before I die, I'll figure out why it offends some of you so much that a few of us use plan 9 as more than a masturbatory aid. Meanwhile, I don't

Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive

2016-08-30 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 04:58:18PM -0500, Steven Stallion wrote: > On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 4:41 PM, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > > i'd like it if people would stick to one medium: i don't want to be > > forced to use a web browser to participate in discussions on this > > mailing list. > >

Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive

2016-08-30 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 05:01:36PM +, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > > I've been thinking about setting up a meetup for 9fans in Seattle area. > There seems to be renewed interest (or perhaps it's my wishful thinking). I regret to inform you I now live within driving distance of Seattle. Please

Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive

2016-08-23 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 12:05:10AM -0700, David Walther wrote: > Then the whiskey wore off. [citation needed]

Re: [9fans] Chords, ^, _, ^B and scroll with mouse wheel in p9p sam

2016-05-27 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 11:16:07PM +0100, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: > The one guy who loves this feature uses that IBM > mouse with a trackpoint instead of a scroll wheel. There are two of us. khm

Re: [9fans] problem with acme on 9front

2016-05-21 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 11:28:09AM -0700, Rob Pike wrote: > If that was meant as a dis, you obviously haven't been to New York lately. > Merely an observation that editing text is a minor subset of acme's functionality. When I dis things, you will not be confused about my intent. khm

Re: [9fans] problem with acme on 9front

2016-05-21 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 10:36:44AM -0700, erik quanstrom wrote: > > This is tantamount to saying acme is superior because you are better at > > acme. [...] > > c'mon man. you follow this with several paragraphs of opinion which appear > to say that acme is not better because you don't like it.

Re: [9fans] problem with acme on 9front

2016-05-19 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 08:42:54PM +0100, Charles Forsyth wrote: > > Any experienced acme user will quickly start banging the desk in > frustration if thrown back into sam. > Incredibly clumsy by comparison; not fluid. sam -d is useful for certain > types of scripting. This is tantamount to

Re: [9fans] The Plan 9/"right" way to do Facebook

2016-03-30 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 11:40:03PM +, cigar562hfsp952f...@icebubble.org wrote: > Greetings, 9fans! > Your post advocates a (x) technical ( ) legislative ( ) market-based ( ) vigilante approach to social networking. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the

Re: [9fans] rc exec error behaviour

2016-02-02 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Tue, Feb 02, 2016 at 06:37:52PM -0600, Sean Hinchee wrote: > Go 1.5.1 built and is running on 9Front/amd64 I thought, but doesn't on > 9Front/386? That's correct, but the actual point is that it's still full of weird bugs and is not 100% functional, even after it builds. Doesn't stop some

Re: [9fans] bug or feature ? --- ip/ping -6

2015-12-30 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 03:05:33PM +, Steve Simon wrote: > If I where redesigning ping I wouldn't repeat any info that is common on each > line - I.e. ip addresses or the column titles: rtt, ave etc. > > consider plan9's ps(1) which has no column titles. they are described in the > man page

Re: [9fans] off topic - free signed SSL/TLS certs

2015-11-05 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Thu, Nov 05, 2015 at 01:27:49PM +0200, Costin Chirvasuta wrote: > StartSSL: https://konklone.com/post/switch-to-https-now-for-free > Free for non-comercial purposes. I believe you need to renew every year. StartSSL Free is free for commercial use as well. khm

Re: [9fans] RUDP and/or others

2015-10-18 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 05:35:40PM -0700, erik quanstrom wrote: > > for clarity, i was neither recommending or not recommending rudp, as i know > nothing about the problem to be solved except for the tidbits "fpga" and > "vnc", > neither of which are something i've spent much time with. > >

Re: [9fans] RUDP and/or others

2015-10-18 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 04:59:44PM -0700, erik quanstrom wrote: > On Sun Oct 18 16:16:59 PDT 2015, 9...@9netics.com wrote: > > > Anyone know of a leaner reliable datagram protocol? I know I saw one a > > > year ago, but I just can't remember what it was! > > > > are you looking for Internet Link

Re: [9fans] Web Gardens

2015-10-15 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 07:10:01PM -0700, erik quanstrom wrote: > > i'd recommend a google search > > https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant=1=2=UTF-8#q=web%20garden > I deeply apologize for failing to summarize to your satisfaction. I have bookmarked the url you provided and

Re: [9fans] Web Gardens

2015-10-12 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 05:57:16PM +1300, Andrew Simmons wrote: > As a diversion from the discussion of the existential essence of Javascript, > could I ask the group for a view on the meaning of the term "Web Garden"? > I was just asked about this in a job interview. This is a concept that

Re: [9fans] libframe Go port

2015-10-10 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 10:29:06AM -0700, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > no need. just use David Hoskin's HTML5 devdraw: > > https://bitbucket.org/dhoskin/9webdraw that *is* a javascript library. khm

Re: [9fans] libframe Go port

2015-10-10 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 11:05:04AM -0700, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > it is HTML5 (which includes JavaScript) by virtue of the fact that i needs > WebSockets support. HTML5 does not include javascript. khm

Re: [9fans] libframe Go port

2015-10-10 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 11:38:15AM -0700, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > yet 9webdraw requires HTML5 features; so it *IS NOT* just javascript (i > think this was your original "contribution" to the conversation) condolences on your tireless devotion to denying javascript is javascript. khm

Re: [9fans] off topic - a good Git reference

2015-10-02 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Fri, Oct 02, 2015 at 11:56:47PM +0200, a.regenf...@gmx.de wrote: > >Mercurial works. > If you have got an installed python. that's pretty much universally the case for mercurial, yes. khm

Re: [9fans] off topic - a good Git reference

2015-09-29 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 02:18:20PM -0300, Tiago Natel wrote: > is there someone else interested in write a git tool for plan 9 ? > > []'s This has been written. You just need to fill out a Secret Plan 9 Super Secret Society application and find three Bilderbergs to vouch for you. khm

Re: [9fans] pretty cool

2015-09-28 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 07:31:00PM -0600, Kim Shrier wrote: > > First they ignore you, > then they laugh at you, > then they fight you, > then you win.* Ghandi got it wrong. There's no sequence -- it's all four at once. Forever. khm

Re: [9fans] joke's on us

2015-09-26 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 07:59:44AM -0700, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > Plan 9 is now popular enough to make fun of: > > https://www.zulip.org/clients.html super depressed there's no powerful open source group chat with rich desktop notifications added to the experience. I'm going to go complain

Re: [9fans] acme search backwards

2015-09-03 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Thu, Sep 03, 2015 at 07:14:58AM -0700, erik quanstrom wrote: > somehow I thought that was going to be the response, but that's not really > true unless acme has been rewritten on the lower level kbd model. patches > that model also introduces user space kbd control, so good luck using it

Re: [9fans] github blob exchange

2015-08-10 Thread Kurt H Maier
Quoting Ryan Gonzalez rym...@gmail.com: I saw GitHub and Plan 9 together and immediately heard angels singing. :) A funeral dirge? khm

Re: [9fans] Has Linux jumped the shark?

2015-07-24 Thread Kurt H Maier
Quoting Prof Brucee prof.bru...@gmail.com: I just quoted cat-v - shoot me. ONE OF US

Re: [9fans] Gawk in 9front-ports

2015-07-07 Thread Kurt H Maier
Quoting erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: i'm confused. wasn't there also an effort to un-apeify the one true awk? Yes, but as usual, we were shouted down by mac users. khm

Re: [9fans] thank you

2015-06-26 Thread Kurt H Maier
Quoting a.regenf...@gmx.de: (uh oh, am i going to get bashed for this?) Nah, instead you'll get bashed for sending an HTML email. khm

Re: [9fans] drawterm source?

2015-06-18 Thread Kurt H Maier
Quoting erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: so why do we have so many un-coordinated versions of drawterm? because DVCS programs have solved all the problems preventing people from forking software for a single patch, then abandoning it forever khm

Re: [9fans] drawterm source?

2015-06-18 Thread Kurt H Maier
Quoting lu...@proxima.alt.za: talent is to break the rules (or at least to swim against the stream). What rules? What stream? Are there even enough plan 9 users on earth to generate a stream with a current strong enough to swim against? khm

Re: [9fans] Wildly off-topic

2015-06-16 Thread Kurt H Maier
Quoting Skip Tavakkolian 9...@9netics.com: at one point there was a web page with images of many (maybe all) KR C covers from various prints and translations. i think it was a page that dmr had created (or perhaps bwk, i can't remember exactly). i can't seem to find it now. This list gets

Re: [9fans] Wildly off-topic

2015-06-15 Thread Kurt H Maier
Quoting Andrew Simmons kod...@gmail.com: So my question is, did there ever exist an edition of KR in that Quoting Andrew Simmons kod...@gmail.com: Thanks, but it seems as if that web page is for the 2nd edition. ok, still yes. The linked page is for all editions. khm

Re: [9fans] inequality testing in shell

2015-06-14 Thread Kurt H Maier
Quoting Neven Sajko nsa...@gmail.com: Why doesn't the plan9 test program have features for checking inequalities (i.e. greater than etc.)? What do you guys do when you want to test for inequality? I use test(1) which does, in fact, support these features, as described in the man page. khm

Re: [9fans] Ports tree for Plan 9

2015-05-30 Thread Kurt H Maier
Quoting lu...@proxima.alt.za: It is the Plan 9 Way (TM) to avoid nested inclusion of header files, although I guess the APE may be exempted. while I agree it's not very plan-9-like, the posix standard is horrible and broken and nobody should be surprised that the easy way to implement it

Re: [9fans] Ports tree for Plan 9

2015-05-30 Thread Kurt H Maier
Quoting arn...@skeeve.com: BWK has said that malloc affects the performance of his awk; I think it's in his README file. Yes, it was explained to me that plan 9 malloc does useful things instead of just shoving things into the first available hole like APE malloc. I'm reasonably certain

Re: [9fans] Ports tree for Plan 9

2015-05-30 Thread Kurt H Maier
Quoting erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: instead of guessing, you could see if the pool library's checks are really a bottleneck. it is straightforward to add header and tail magic and the callerpc stuff to ape malloc and run the comparsion again. otherwise, it seems far more likely

Re: [9fans] Ports tree for Plan 9

2015-05-30 Thread Kurt H Maier
Quoting Kurt H Maier k...@sciops.net: Paul wrote it from scratch. No he didn't; he started with Boyd's awk. Been a while since I looked at the commit history. Sorry. khm

Re: [9fans] Ports tree for Plan 9

2015-05-30 Thread Kurt H Maier
Quoting lu...@proxima.alt.za: does anyone want to help test pap's native awk? Build it and they'll come :-) URL? Is it portable? How carefully was it ported? It may be worth twisting Aaron's arm, he may well have a test suite for GAWK that can be used here? Lucio. Paul wrote it from

Re: [9fans] Ports tree for Plan 9

2015-05-30 Thread Kurt H Maier
Quoting erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: i don't understand this. It is a personal preference not rooted in any technological excuses. pretty difficult to do if there is a desire to use git or hg. does hgfs use APE? I haven't investigated too closely. khm

Re: [9fans] Ports tree for Plan 9

2015-05-29 Thread Kurt H Maier
Quoting erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: On Wed May 27 12:51:19 PDT 2015, cinap_len...@felloff.net wrote: A potential bug in APE sys/wait.h : the header does not make sure that pid_t has been defined. Compiling sbase on Plan9/APE ended up in situations where there were lots of

Re: [9fans] 3d Glenda

2015-05-14 Thread Kurt H Maier
Quoting Andrés Domínguez andres...@gmail.com: Does anyone have a 3d model of Glenda? http://glenda.cat-v.org/gallery/stuffed-glenda.jpg

Re: [9fans] Raspberry Pi 2 Model B

2015-04-20 Thread Kurt H Maier
Quoting Richard Miller 9f...@hamnavoe.com: http://felloff.net/usr/cinap_lenrek/aijuboard/ http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/014/416/X2R4UMUE536Z3WIALA7SKNVKP4RXX22Y.jpeg GOOD NEWS https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/aijuboard khm

Re: [9fans] using git

2015-03-19 Thread Kurt H Maier
Quoting Devon H. O'Dell devon.od...@gmail.com: 2015-03-19 14:46 GMT-07:00 Skip Tavakkolian skip.tavakkol...@gmail.com: servant of 9fans → loathed → cursed → saint It can (as is probably true in my case) also just stop at either loathed or cursed. You can skip steps, too! Non serviam. khm

Re: [9fans] ken cc for linux

2015-03-13 Thread Kurt H Maier
Quoting Ryan Gonzalez rym...@gmail.com: I wouldn't say it suddenly vanished, though. A quick search shows some were predicting this would happen. Lots of major projects have moved to GitHub or Bitbucket. It was obvious it was dying when every google project started unassing the site last

Re: [9fans] Gsoc: Plan9 not the only one

2015-03-06 Thread Kurt H Maier
Quoting erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: two uncoordinated applications from what may be seen as the same group may not have helped. While I understand it's fun to speculate that somehow 9front is totally the worst thing that ever happened to anything, and clearly we in #cat-v are some

Re: [9fans] Raspberry Pi 2 Model B

2015-02-07 Thread Kurt H Maier
Quoting hiro 23h...@gmail.com: Do the RPI2s break very fast or why is the warranty such an issue? Apparently you can crash one with a light bulb: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28t=99042 khm

Re: [9fans] Raspberry Pi 2 Model B

2015-02-05 Thread Kurt H Maier
Quoting erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: does anyone have a picture of this board? If you're asking for technical purposes, there's a render at http://9front.org/img/aijuboard.png but I'm not sure that's the final cut. If you're asking for physical proof of its existence, one of the

Re: [9fans] Raspberry Pi 2 Model B

2015-02-05 Thread Kurt H Maier
Quoting erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: i was not thinking along those lines. :-( i just wanted to see a picture of the board. the render is nice, but the toy budget is not so large. I did spend a bit of time trowling through IRC logs; I could have sworn aiju had posted a photo of

Re: [9fans] Raspberry Pi 2 Model B

2015-02-05 Thread Kurt H Maier
Quoting Steven Stallion sstall...@gmail.com: What's 9front? Medium- to low-quality mushroom cloud computing project designed to vandalize treasured artwork. Every interaction I've had with the dev team has been awful. khm

Re: [9fans] GUI for navgating the file tree

2015-02-04 Thread Kurt H Maier
Is this an acme fork? khm

Re: [9fans] OLPC machines

2015-01-06 Thread Kurt H Maier
Quoting Anthony Sorace a...@9srv.net: There is at least somewhat more current work than that. I have an XO-1 and an XO-1.5 if anyone wants me to test an image. I also have an XO-4 but that's some kind of arm game with SDIO wifi that may or may not be workable. khm

Re: [9fans] 9 Atom - installation troubles

2014-12-06 Thread Kurt H Maier
Quoting erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: On Sat Dec 6 05:38:15 PST 2014, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: smtp=host!987 Too clever! I'm not sure it would work, though, because in /sys/src/upas/smtp/mxdial.c the invocation is explicitly: addr = netmkaddr(addr, 0, smtp); this

Re: [9fans] Porting plan9

2014-12-01 Thread Kurt H Maier
Quoting Steven Stallion sstall...@gmail.com: FWIW, u-boot is not a net-negative at all. For SoC's it simplifies boot significantly - there is zero reason to eschew the functionality it brings. Instead, I'll recommend eschewing hardware that requires circus tricks to load a kernel. khm

Re: [9fans] Porting plan9

2014-12-01 Thread Kurt H Maier
Quoting Steven Stallion sstall...@gmail.com: Clearly you've never worked on hardware. No, thank Christ, my conscience is clean. Instead I work on software, and uboot is a fine example of well it builds on my laptop development paradigms. Plenty glad I don't have to screw with such nonsense

Re: [9fans] Porting plan9

2014-12-01 Thread Kurt H Maier
Quoting erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: while i don't agree that u-boot is nice, i do agree with steve's point, which i understood to be that hardware is messy, and it's hard to write software that isn't a tad messy to deal with this. steve has a lot of experience with hardware, and

Re: [9fans] running plan9 : an ideal setup?

2014-11-18 Thread Kurt H Maier
Quoting dante subscripti...@posteo.eu: - 9Front: comes with the experimental hjfs by default, which got corrupt sooner or later on my setup 9front defaults to cwfs64x, not hjfs. khm

Re: [9fans] github.com/9fans + plan9port on git

2014-11-17 Thread Kurt H Maier
Quoting Jeff Sickel j...@corpus-callosum.com: written in Go, and not gimmicky with cartoon advertising everywhere. So, written in Go, but unlike Go? khm

Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.

2014-10-30 Thread Kurt H Maier
Quoting Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com: 535 – 5.7.8 Username and Password bot accepted. Learn more at (*) 535 5.7.8 http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?answer=14257 Did you read the linked web page? khm

Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.

2014-10-30 Thread Kurt H Maier
Quoting Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com: Yes, I did and I made changes in the configuration of that mail box accordingly but it still does give the same error message. That website doesn't say anything about changing configuration. Did you perform the unlock captcha? khm

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