Re: [9fans] sources down

2018-12-31 Thread Lucio De Re
aning up, and documenting it). > From my experience with scripts of the same length the work to write > it is probably less than the work to clean it up and document it. And > the task has to be done only once anyway, so not worth it (Unless we > get the annotations). > > -- Lucio De R

Re: [9fans] sources down

2018-12-31 Thread Lucio De Re
e/... so the 9hist could go in >> > as //mmdd/sys/src/9/... >> >> Yes, but beware it's a throw-away script. I'll send it to you privately. >> >> -- >> David du Colombier >> >> > -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St Kestell (Eastern Free State) 9860 South Africa Ph.: +27 58 653 1433 Cell: +27 83 251 5824 FAX: +27 58 653 1435

Re: [9fans] sources down

2018-12-29 Thread Lucio De Re
On 12/29/18, Ethan Gardener wrote: > On Sat, Dec 29, 2018, at 3:58 AM, Lucio De Re wrote: >> Personally, I think HTTPS is overrated, or has just made itself >> overrated. > > I've heard from multiple sources that this kind of single-ended > authorization isn't worth much,

Re: [9fans] sources down

2018-12-28 Thread Lucio De Re
On 12/29/18, David du Colombier <0in...@gmail.com> wrote: > Actually, what I need would be an HTTP server supporting > SNI so I could serve the appropriate certificate according to > the requested hostname. > As far as I can tell (coffee still working it's way to my brain) Go's HTTPS server does

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 C compiler for RISC-V by Richard Miller

2018-10-29 Thread Lucio De Re
On 10/29/18, Charles Forsyth wrote: > It's z because the Atmel AVR is the last thing you'd want to use. (As > usual, once you've got C going, it's ok, except for the design bugs.) Sadly, some of the Atmel kit I'd like to play with is no longer supported, the CPUs are nowhere to be sourced from

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 C compiler for RISC-V by Richard Miller

2018-10-29 Thread Lucio De Re
Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote: >> I think I have sources for the z[acl] suite somewhere. You make it >> sound like maybe I should give them back to Charles >> > > What architecture is that for? I picked 'z' for riscv hoping there wasn't > a collision, but I can chan

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 C compiler for RISC-V by Richard Miller

2018-10-29 Thread Lucio De Re
t; % ls -l /n/sources/contrib/miller/riscv.tar >> >> https://9p.io/sources/contrib/miller/riscv.tar >> >> -- >> David du Colombier > > > -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St Kestell (Eastern Free State) 9860 South Africa Ph.: +27 58 653 1433 Cell: +27 83 251 5824 FAX: +27 58 653 1435

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 potential target ports (Was: PDP11 (Was: Re: what heavy negativity!))

2018-10-12 Thread Lucio De Re
On 10/12/18, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > > i think generally there's a lot of low-power linux stuff to chose > from, but once you plan to port plan9 to it, the fragmented nature of > the arm platforms becomes a problem. no free lunch :( > That is a fact, Hiro. I paid scant attention to that

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 potential target ports (Was: PDP11 (Was: Re: what heavy negativity!))

2018-10-11 Thread Lucio De Re
On 10/11/18, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > > [ ... ] which is why i would never actually > recommend the pi. And there are even more alternatives now. > Simply because I've never seen their name mentioned here - I did miss a year or two, I'm sure I mentioned them before that - let me do same

Re: [9fans] PDP11 (Was: Re: what heavy negativity!)

2018-10-08 Thread Lucio De Re
On 10/9/18, Bakul Shah wrote: > > One thing I have mused about is recasting plan9 as a > microkernel and pushing out a lot of its kernel code into user > mode code. It is already half way there -- it is basically a > mux for 9p calls, low level device drivers, VM support & some > process related

Re: [9fans] what heavy negativity!

2018-10-07 Thread Lucio De Re
Let's take a step back here, and stop treating jerks like Kurt (or me, for that matter) the way they treat the ideas they perceive to be hare-brained. It's weird that with all the time in the world to "think before posting", knee-jerk reactions still find their way to a mailing list like this one

[9fans] PDP11 (Was: Re: what heavy negativity!)

2018-10-07 Thread Lucio De Re
On 10/8/18, Digby R.S. Tarvin wrote: > > So the question is... is plan9 still lean and mean enough to fit onto a > machine with a 64K address space? Doing a port would certainly provide > plenty of opportunity to tinker with the lights and switches on front > panel, and if it the port was

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-02 Thread Lucio De Re
How soon would you start needing some form of support back-up? It's a little random around these places, which is why promises are hard to keep. Lucio.

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-02 Thread Lucio De Re
No big promises, though. Lucio. -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St Kestell (Eastern Free State) 9860 South Africa Ph.: +27 58 653 1433 Cell: +27 83 251 5824 FAX: +27 58 653 1435

Re: [9fans] Touchpad

2018-09-20 Thread Lucio De Re
On 9/20/18, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > the point is there are more worthy things to do than to work around > shitty hardware or reproduce functionality that is already provided by > the bios in plan 9. > I couldn't agree more. But does it help to repeat that refrain, here? That could also be

Re: [9fans] Touchpad

2018-09-20 Thread Lucio De Re
On 9/20/18, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > doing it in plan 9 would be a waste of time. No argument, but a lot of time is being wasted all the time and 9fans, perhaps with some notable exceptions, need to feel good as much as the next person. > i don't know what's modern to you, but if you

Re: [9fans] Touchpad

2018-09-19 Thread Lucio De Re
On 9/19/18, G B wrote: > I have 9front installed on a Lenovo N580 laptop and am using a USB mouse. > However, the touchpad is killing me. How can I disable the touchpad so only > the mouse moves? > Rather exciting, I'll keep an eye out for that option, Plan 9 (well, 9front, I do not think of

Re: [9fans] Is Plan 9 C "Less Dangerous?"

2018-09-05 Thread Lucio De Re
On 9/6/18, Bakul Shah wrote: > > But if all you want to do is just run plan9 why even bother? > But that is disingenuous, isn't it? What one wants is Plan 9 as a model for what may be a family of hardware APIs. It makes sense to promote massive parallelism, but the API to it should be

Re: [9fans] Is Plan 9 C "Less Dangerous?"

2018-09-04 Thread Lucio De Re
On 9/3/18, Ethan Gardener wrote: > On Mon, Sep 3, 2018, at 1:40 PM, Chris McGee wrote: >> While the idea that many eyes makes bugs shallower seems to have failed >> in the world of complex behemoth software it may work here. > > I think it worked for a while, but eventually complexity grew beyond

Re: [9fans] Is Plan 9 C "Less Dangerous?"

2018-09-02 Thread Lucio De Re
On 9/2/18, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > "prevailing wisdom" sounds like an oxymoron. > Yes, real wisdom is for some (evolutionary? counter-evolutionary?) reason unlikely to prevail. Go figure. Lucio.

Re: [9fans] 9P or better file services for multiple platforms

2018-09-02 Thread Lucio De Re
On 9/2/18, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > > i suppose you could check the individual blogs, possibly in an > automated way by writing some one-liner rc and hget script and publish > the outcome, plus keep it updated. then perhaps you can figure out if > this is the kind of information currently

Re: [9fans] 9P or better file services for multiple platforms

2018-09-02 Thread Lucio De Re
On 9/3/18, Kurt H Maier wrote: > [ ... ] > > Most commonly, someone will mandate two-factor authentication, and > kerberos tickets (usually via GSSAPI) are the back-end, regardless of > which security tokens (RSA SecurID, smart cards, yubikeys, etc) are > chosen. > Thanks, Kurt, I knew 9fans was

Re: [9fans] 9P or better file services for multiple platforms

2018-09-02 Thread Lucio De Re
You're here. Sometimes an audience is all the artist needs as the stimulus. How does it go? "They also serve...". Lucio.

Re: [9fans] Is Plan 9 C "Less Dangerous?"

2018-09-02 Thread Lucio De Re
On 9/2/18, Chris McGee wrote: > I'm reading this article about how they are going through the giant heaping > pile of Linux kernel code and trying to come up with safer practices to > avoid the "dangers" of C. The prevailing wisdom appears to be that things > should eventually be rewritten in

Re: [9fans] 9P or better file services for multiple platforms

2018-09-02 Thread Lucio De Re
On 9/2/18, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > > Regarding authentication and access control, I think the only *standard* > option for a mixed OS environment (Plan 9, Linux/*BSD, Windows) is > Kerberos. > Is that still actively used (I mean, outside of Microsoft's attempted hi-jacking)? In my Linux-prone

Re: [9fans] 9P or better file services for multiple platforms

2018-09-02 Thread Lucio De Re
On 9/2/18, Ethan Gardener wrote: > I had a thought pertaining to the original topic. > [ ... ] > > FreeBSD has ZFS too, which of course offers snapshots, but it has so many > options that I found it a bit too much. It seems well documented and the > interface seems reasonable for the feature

Re: [9fans] 9P or better file services for multiple platforms

2018-09-02 Thread Lucio De Re
On 9/2/18, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > Have you considered using AoE (Coraid)? It would require dedicated fossil, > NFS CIFS servers, but they'd all be sharing the storage -- Coraid supports > ext4 and NTFS. Most servers have multiple NICs, which makes a dedicated LAN > for AoE traffic easy. > I

Re: [9fans] 9P or better file services for multiple platforms

2018-09-02 Thread Lucio De Re
On 9/2/18, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > The way I inform myself of valuable contributions to plan 9 these days > is by watching 9front commit logs and the #cat-v irc channel. > > If there are any valuable commits in David's repository that we should > apply, please inform us. > I was waiting

Re: [9fans] 9P or better file services for multiple platforms

2018-09-02 Thread Lucio De Re
On 9/2/18, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > > already cinap is supporting dp9ik in drawterm, so... > That's subversive in the most practical sense. Is academia aware of it and its import? That is what curatorship (a friend from past days was and may still be the curator of the South African

Re: [9fans] 9P or better file services for multiple platforms

2018-09-02 Thread Lucio De Re
On 9/2/18, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > > there used to also be a planet/rss aggregation, but nobody alive knows > how to get the used software behind this to run on plan9 again I used to be a debugging whiz, in happier, more youthful times, maybe I can give that a try (it seems a challenge,

Re: [9fans] 9P or better file services for multiple platforms

2018-09-02 Thread Lucio De Re
> how to get the used software behind this to run on plan9 again. and > most people's blogs in that list shifted from plan9-related to > go-related activities, so i'm not sure it's even worth updating any > more. > > -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St Kestell (Eastern Free State) 986

Re: [9fans] 9P or better file services for multiple platforms

2018-09-02 Thread Lucio De Re
On 9/2/18, Lucio De Re wrote: > On 9/1/18, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: >> no, 9p2000.L or Linux syscalls are not supported by plan9. >> >> > So Ethan is right, this is a "lark", if an interesting one. 9P is > getting quite a few "take

Re: [9fans] 9P or better file services for multiple platforms

2018-09-02 Thread Lucio De Re
On 9/1/18, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > no, 9p2000.L or Linux syscalls are not supported by plan9. > > So Ethan is right, this is a "lark", if an interesting one. 9P is getting quite a few "takers". I seem to recall a paper on adding Plan 9 authentication to the Linux kernel, for purposes

Re: [9fans] 9P or better file services for multiple platforms

2018-09-02 Thread Lucio De Re
On 9/1/18, Joseph Stewart wrote: > This thread got me searching and I found MJL's guide for running a plan9 > network on a *nix system using u9fs. > > Hope this helps: > > https://www.ueber.net/who/mjl/plan9/plan9-obsd.html > > I'm gonna tinker with this myself. > That authsrv9 looks very

Re: [9fans] 9P or better file services for multiple platforms

2018-09-02 Thread Lucio De Re
On 9/2/18, Brian L. Stuart wrote: > On Sat, 9/1/18, Lucio De Re wrote: >> [ ... ] >> My hope is to provide a central file server that fulfills reliable >> file services to both Plan 9 and Linux as seamlessly as possible. I am > > I'm not going to make any guara

Re: [9fans] 9P or better file services for multiple platforms

2018-09-01 Thread Lucio De Re
On 9/1/18, Lucio De Re wrote: > > Trying it out, it fails to find "attach" and there is no clue where > that should come from. It did strike me as complex, but if it serves > an NFS filesystem, that is probably adequate. > > I'll wait to pass judgement for afte

Re: [9fans] 9P or better file services for multiple platforms

2018-09-01 Thread Lucio De Re
On 9/1/18, Emery Hemingway wrote: > I don't think you can find better than u9fs for unix. > I tend to use that as a norm, but the backing Plan 9 server is kind of in the wrong "key". OK for Plan 9, but too slow for Linux. Still, that sounds like a warning that better that u9fs is not out there.

Re: [9fans] 9P or better file services for multiple platforms

2018-09-01 Thread Lucio De Re
On 9/1/18, Rui Carmo wrote: > I myself have similar needs and recently bookmarked this: > https://github.com/chaos/diod (but had no time to test it yet). > Thank you, Rui, that looks pretty exciting, I'll be happy to look into it. It does rather look like Plan 9 itself may have to be of the

[9fans] 9P or better file services for multiple platforms

2018-08-31 Thread Lucio De Re
I'm trying to arrive at the most elegant solution to the following problem that does not sacrifice a great deal of efficiency. And, maybe I need to state this, the final result must be as robust or more robust than what I have in place currently, which has yet to let me down, partially due to the

Re: [9fans] I prefer cropping images in Plan 9

2018-07-22 Thread Lucio De Re
On 7/21/18, Ryan Gonzalez wrote: > > To be fair, if you're using a command line, you might as well be using > ImageMagick (not criticizing your points or anything, just playing devil's > advocate). > Without ever looking under he bonnet, I got the impression that IM is the single utility that is

Re: [9fans] What are you using Plan 9 for?

2018-06-20 Thread Lucio De Re
On 6/20/18, Ethan A. Gardener wrote: > [ ... ] Most of it is going into game scripting at the moment, but on the back > burner is a Forth-based project; a sort of operating system where the > primary interface to all tasks is a Forth interpreter. [ ... ] Bakul may not agree, but that sounds like

Re: [9fans] What are you using Plan 9 for?

2018-06-15 Thread Lucio De Re
On 6/15/18, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > 9vx only works on 32bit linux userland. and cinap reminds us that 9vx > is not synced to latest improvements in 9front kernel. > he's already maintaining drawterm and keeping it synced with 9front. > even if he had infinite time, 32bit might turn out to

Re: [9fans] What are you using Plan 9 for?

2018-06-15 Thread Lucio De Re
On 6/15/18, Mart Zirnask wrote: > > +1, and there's also good old 9vx: > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Vx32 > Great news. I've upgraded my Linux Mint to 64-buit ad I've been reluctant to experiment with 9vx, which I really like a lot. Can you confirm thatit runs OK under 64-bit Linux? Do I

Re: [9fans] What are you using Plan 9 for?

2018-06-13 Thread Lucio De Re
y, we use kinds of operating system and kinds of software on > them. > > Regards, > Yubao Liu > >> On Jun 14, 2018, at 10:53 AM, N. S. Montanaro wrote: >> >> I think a lot of people discover Plan 9 and want it to be something it >> isn’t, rather than stumbl

Re: [9fans] simple rc problem in p9p (on OpenBSD)

2018-04-26 Thread Lucio De Re
n for is taken as just one argument instead of > 3. What can I do with it? > > I haven't modified ifs (it should be \n space and tab). > (How can I check, say see the character codes?) > > Thanks for comments > Ruda > > -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St Kestell (Eastern Fr

Re: [9fans] the fossil (tm) stolen

2018-04-16 Thread Lucio De Re
Four. Long-standing nobody, too. Lucio.

Re: [9fans] SCMs

2018-02-14 Thread Lucio De Re
On 2/14/18, Dave MacFarlane wrote: > > https://www.github.com/driusan/dgit/ > > It's written in Go, which means it'll only work on platforms that Go > supports (I think there's a list somewhere on the Go wiki, but it's some > subset of 386/arm/amd64 depending on which fork

Re: [9fans] There is no fork

2018-02-14 Thread Lucio De Re
On 2/14/18, Steve Simon wrote: > > re git frowned upon. > > i think git is frowned upon because porting it would be a massive effort due > to its many dependencies, whist python has been ported and mercurial just > works. > It's a shame, cause GIT itself is mostly C, no doubt

Re: [9fans] ReMarkable!

2018-02-13 Thread Lucio De Re
On 2/13/18, Mart Zirnask <martzirn...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 13/02/2018, Lucio De Re <lucio.d...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Stenography (short-hand)? >> > Yes -- "everything is a line"! > https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/06/yeah-i-still-use-s

Re: [9fans] ReMarkable!

2018-02-13 Thread Lucio De Re
On 2/13/18, Daniel Camolês wrote: > [ ... ] > > Maybe it's not impossible that someone would come up with a way to input > text using a pen over a screen that's even more efficient and convenient > than a keyboard. So far, such technology just doesn't exist. > Stenography

Re: [9fans] There is no fork

2018-02-13 Thread Lucio De Re
I have a lot of admiration for cinap, he's "deep". But he is also the best qualified person to estimate whether improvements in 9front are portable back to legacy and I'm sure that is, sadly, not high on his agenda. Conservatively, I'd like legacy to be the entry system to Plan 9 and categorise

Re: [9fans] There is no fork

2018-02-13 Thread Lucio De Re
9front is not something I'm familiar with, but Plan 9 legacy is trivial to install (I still use VMware ESXi as the host) and you can rebuild the entire system with a handful of commands once you've got that far. Naturally, you may prefer a different approach, but do you need that to be your first

Re: [9fans] There is no fork

2018-02-13 Thread Lucio De Re
On 2/13/18, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > Lucio, what commit are you missing in 9front that you would like to see > merged? > Wrong person, Hiro :-) I am a strict 9legacy user, down to only a few patches past a very old Plan 9 release, just enough modernity to run Go plus a few of my own tiny

Re: [9fans] There is no fork

2018-02-13 Thread Lucio De Re
On 2/13/18, Rui Carmo wrote: > I get the current website and some of the in-jokes, but a step-by-step guide > for installing, building and contributing would be great ... It's so easy to fall into the trap of elitism, while bemoaning the shortage of development hands needed

Re: [9fans] There is no fork

2018-02-12 Thread Lucio De Re
On 2/13/18, s...@9front.org wrote: >> >> That said, I deem it unfortunate that there isn't a drive to >> consolidate the various flavours of Plan 9 into a single offering, or >> at least identify and discuss the differences and provide for the >> choices from a single source (pun

Re: [9fans] There is no fork

2018-02-12 Thread Lucio De Re
On 2/12/18, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: > [ a neat rant I agree almost to the pixel with... ] I (mostly) manage a (very small) team of younger programmers who only really know Linux, and then the Debian or Ubuntu distros, almost exclusively. My sentiments and Ethan's seem

Re: [9fans] software archaeology

2018-02-12 Thread Lucio De Re
On 2/12/18, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: > On Mon, Feb 12, 2018, at 11:04 AM, Steve Simon wrote: >> >> >> > > > I almost want this for my wall. :) > > > Maybe the artwork can be released? I'd pay money for a poster... Lucio.

Re: [9fans] There is no fork

2018-02-09 Thread Lucio De Re
On 2/10/18, Benjamin Huntsman wrote: > Just curious as to the state of the union. Is 9front pretty much the de > facto "official" Plan 9 these days, or does anyone still use or maintain any > of the following: I'm with David (legacy), nearly all the way. That

Re: [9fans] Acme: the way the future actually was

2012-09-14 Thread Lucio De Re
Probably never heard of Acme. The demo looks impressive, though. I didn't follow it very well, it was way too fast and full of references to concepts that evidently haven't reached my corner of Dark Africa yet :-) Still, Oberon had all that a long time ago, if memory isn't betraying me. ++L

Re: [9fans] rc vs sh

2012-08-30 Thread Lucio De Re
I am not familiar with the use of Bash in Go; I suspect that they stick to stuff that will work across Baash versions though. The difficult bit for argumentative people to grasp is that the Go Team use features that are portable across bourne-like shells, they just refuse to commit to that

Re: [9fans] rc vs sh

2012-08-30 Thread Lucio De Re
But as I said, this is not to argument about Go developers' choices: they do as they see fit I think their philosophy is sound, not just an arbitrary choice. The alternative is a commitment that can only be fulfilled by applying resources best utilised on the focal issue. For example, the

Re: [9fans] rc vs sh

2012-08-30 Thread Lucio De Re
The basis does not request ftp. I apologise for working with too little information. I have long wanted to have TeX installed for the rare occasions when I want to explore the TeX Book, so I took a chance. I'm waiting to find the energy to solve the libc/libm/libl problem I encountered :-)

Re: [9fans] rc's shortcomings (new subject line)

2012-08-30 Thread Lucio De Re
anyway, a meld of Rc shell and mk? crazy idea. Inferno (Vitanuova) released a mash a ways back, but apparently the sources were lost. It was mind-bogglingly interesting! ++L

Re: [9fans] rc's shortcomings (new subject line)

2012-08-30 Thread Lucio De Re
Errr ... no. Twice: mash was not VN code but brucee's preemptive strike against a POSIX shell for Lucent's Inferno; VN's Inferno had a shell with a different style done by Roger Peppe. I do apologise. Mash was genial! The VN shell was remarkable in a very different way. ++L

Re: [9fans] rc vs sh

2012-08-29 Thread Lucio De Re
The minimal being a subset of POSIX.2 for the tools, Maybe I'm pushing too hard here, but even Posix isn't followed by all implementations of /bin/sh (no, I'm not sure, but there is no proof possible, as the future is also a factor). Thing is, Bash is well-defined, by a single implementation.

Re: [9fans] rc vs sh

2012-08-28 Thread Lucio De Re
FWIW, i'm using bash as the interactive shell too, in `konsole' terminal emulator, because of bash' interactive line edition and command history. 9term doesn't fit me. all scripting -- both standalone and in mkfiles -- goes in rc, thou. Russ uses bash because it is uniformly crappy

Re: [9fans] rc vs sh

2012-08-28 Thread Lucio De Re
Anyway, I do not understand how uniform crappiness can be advantageous... The issue raised on Go-Nuts is that Bash shouldn't be used for installing Go, /bin/sh should be used instead. The response is that Bash is the most uniformly implemented of the /bin/sh's out there and that none of the

Re: [9fans] rc vs sh

2012-08-28 Thread Lucio De Re
ypical Go shit there. If the scripts are so complicated that it's a pain in the ass to find a way to run them, fix the stupid scripts. They did, by building the go command. Do you think you can provide any guarantees that the subset of /bin/sh features common to all current instances of

Re: [9fans] rc vs sh

2012-08-28 Thread Lucio De Re
i don't know. but the problem isn't the consistency of rc. byron's rc doesn't count. that's like saying the bourne shell is not consistent because of bash. But I am saying that, and I believe that is what motivates the Go Team to continue using Bash. They know that Bash works. They also

Re: [9fans] rc vs sh

2012-08-28 Thread Lucio De Re
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 04:52:34PM +0200, Lucio De Re wrote: Or are you oriented towards kiloLOCs of test code to see which features are implemented and provide compatability a la autoconf? Excellent example of a false dilemma. I'm oriented towards exerting the effort to make something

Re: [9fans] rc vs sh

2012-08-28 Thread Lucio De Re
perhaps (let's hope) someone else has better ideas. The Inferno shell was (is) slick! ++L

Re: [9fans] rc vs sh

2012-08-28 Thread Lucio De Re
Solution: replace the #!/bin/sh with #!/usr/bin/env -c /bin/bash. Why not? Because there are plenty of systems out there without env or bash. Worth a try, though! There is very little shell code left in the Go release. Maybe I'll give it a try on my pristine NetBSD machine. But note that

Re: [9fans] rc vs sh

2012-08-28 Thread Lucio De Re
My only actual statement is that a better solution would be de-shitting the build process so that it doesn't require such a precise set of software to operate. Does that translate into being able to supply an example of such a de-shitting process the Go Team could and should have followed? An

Re: [9fans] dns

2012-08-22 Thread Lucio De Re
or is here any reason why serveraddrs() should *not* fill the whole array up to the last element and stop at Maxdest-2? I'm just guessing here, but Kenji pointed to the need to add a server address in the case of a straddling server. Would that perhaps be a factor here? ++L

Re: [9fans] dns

2012-08-21 Thread Lucio De Re
can anyone provide at least a stacktrace or process snapshot of the crashed dns processes? I've had double-free errors from dns on my server, but the same machine suffers from fossil/venti errors, so I can't use it as diagnostics. I do think that Plan 9 dns is a bit fragile, though not in the

Re: [9fans] Release CD-ROM won't boot

2012-08-18 Thread Lucio De Re
I'm 1300 km aways from the server, incidentally. the not-so-virtual virtual machine? No, the physical hardware, co-hosted in Cape Town. Changing the underlying virtualiser would be quite a mission from my current location. I am going to upload an atom ISO image, though, if you (Erik) point

Re: [9fans] Release CD-ROM won't boot

2012-08-18 Thread Lucio De Re
http://ftp.quanstro.net/other/9atom.iso.bz2. Thank you, I'll give it a try sometimes later, let you know what I discover... ++L

Re: [9fans] Release CD-ROM won't boot

2012-08-18 Thread Lucio De Re
please use http, as ftp seems to have an issue that can cause connection hangs, especially with os-x. No problem, although I'm likely to do this from a Plan 9 terminal or CPU server. Although I presume fcp(1) isn't an option? i believe i've found and fixed the problem with tcp, but it's

Re: [9fans] Multi-dimensional filesystem

2012-08-17 Thread Lucio De Re
The getting dot-dot right is precisely the problem that there are multiple paths, and only one is valid for a classical dir tree and you got to follow this one correct path back. Here, this multiplicity is simultaneously valid, and all the paths are the correct answer. The question here is

[9fans] Release CD-ROM won't boot

2012-08-17 Thread Lucio De Re
I haven't checked all possibilities, but perhaps someone here has a quick fix. I'm trying to boot a Plan 9 ISO image from a few weeks back (date indeterminate, right now) under VMware ESXi, but it seems to jam at the PBSR...I prompt (text cursor on the following line). I tried both the primary

Re: [9fans] Release CD-ROM won't boot

2012-08-17 Thread Lucio De Re
I suggest not using VMware for the installation, but Virtual Box https://www.virtualbox.org/ instead; I've had no issues with installation, and it can be configured quickly. You missed the bit about being 1400 km from the host :-) I'm not sure about SCSI disk errors that seem to be popping up;

Re: [9fans] troubleshooting pull from sources

2012-08-08 Thread Lucio De Re
When I run 'pull' it just produces no output and just sits there apparently for ever. I can run '9fs sources' and navigate around in /n/sources/. Is there a lock file or something I should delete? Any suggestions for debugging? I was going to raise the alarm before, but too many other

Re: [9fans] troubleshooting pull from sources

2012-08-08 Thread Lucio De Re
When I run 'pull' it just produces no output and just sits there apparently for ever. I can run '9fs sources' and navigate around in /n/sources/. Is there a lock file or something I should delete? Any suggestions for debugging? I was going to raise the alarm before, but too many other

Re: [9fans] Installation problem

2012-07-27 Thread Lucio De Re
/n/9fat/plan.ini: rc (bootsetup): can't open: '/n'9fat/plan9.ini' clone failed Your spelling mistake, or the distribution's? I'm talking about the quote in place of a slash. ++L

Re: [9fans] empty *

2012-06-14 Thread Lucio De Re
nope, that's not right.  * starting a pattern escapes the whole string. this is unique to grep. Argh, yes, it has a special meaning. I have somehow managed to miss this for all this time. it's easy to miss, but critical especially since we have other implementations that don't do

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone

2012-06-09 Thread Lucio De Re
How much more so then should we oppose standards which benefit nobody while requiring a lot of work to no purpose? You're getting lost. The MIME standard (RFC 1341, June 1992) is what you started criticising and you're overlooking (a) that a phenomenal amount of effort went into establishing

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone

2012-06-09 Thread Lucio De Re
standards aren't laws. there's no moral component at all. Politics (insufficient resources) can put moral components into anything. But most technical standard organisations do aim to avoid making the type of short sighted judgements that lead to resource depletion. Then the market comes

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone

2012-06-09 Thread Lucio De Re
Are you claiming it is good through tenure, which is obviously a fallacy, or are you actually calling this catastrophe of a standard great? You're not offering a comparison, so, yes, I'm calling it good. So, apparently, do innumerable users, again, maybe for want of a better product. Twenty

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone

2012-06-09 Thread Lucio De Re
MIME is a shitty workaround (badly) designed to cram non-text data into a text-based protocol. Instead of using proper transfer protocols to transfer files, some morons decided to shove binary data into text-based messaging. When the web crowd decided they, too, would like to shove unlikely

Re: [9fans] has anyone wished for

2012-06-04 Thread Lucio De Re
i know, the syntax doesn't make sense, but if you take extern register to have the standard plan 9 meaning, and static to mean visibility limited to this file, then there you have it. At a glance, I'd say you're looking for inline assembly? ++L

[9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone

2012-05-30 Thread Lucio De Re
(Trolling unintentional) The misspelling of Xerox in Acme has bugged me for a long time. I want to suggest that we change it to Clone. Votes? ++L

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone

2012-05-30 Thread Lucio De Re
Just when you thought every bikeshed had been painted... All bikesheds need to be repainted eventually. ++L

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone

2012-05-30 Thread Lucio De Re
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 11:28:47PM -0700, John Floren wrote: Just when you thought every bikeshed had been painted... But we don't agree on the colour... That's the thing about the bike shed: choosing a colour must not delay construction. But once it's built and it needs a new coat of

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone

2012-05-30 Thread Lucio De Re
This is a bit silly. Zerox here (in the context of acme/Plan 9) has a well-understood meaning. Obvious etymology aside, it's essentially a made-up word here. It's beneficial that it isn't a false cognate to some action, since the behavior is not obvious a priori (in the normal case of

Re: [9fans] the `Look' command in Acme

2012-05-17 Thread Lucio De Re
i've removed the `Look' command from Acme's tag, as i found no use for it. anything i'm missing? It's a convenient mechanism to search for patterns that may be misinterpreted. I use it a lot when the pattern I'm looking for happens to match a filename. ++L

Re: [9fans] u9fs rhosts auth

2012-04-29 Thread Lucio De Re
Are any of you using rhosts authentication with u9fs, or do you know of anyone that actively uses it? I do. Lucio.

[9fans] wikifs

2012-04-28 Thread Lucio De Re
I seem to be missing /sys/lib/wiki/create.html, if I understand the operation of wikifs properly: trying to create a new page reports its absence. There is no such item on sources, either. Yet, I also get a missing report for about.html and that is in fact present, which baffles me about as much

Re: [9fans] wikifs

2012-04-28 Thread Lucio De Re
I'll keep looking for the reason behind the false absence of about.html. I figured this one out, it seems a copy of the file ought to be in the directory onto which the wiki FS is mounted. Presumably the same applies to create.html, I just need to find it. ++L

Re: [9fans] System build: /sparc64 file does not exist; NOT on sparc64

2012-04-21 Thread Lucio De Re
I am not on sparc64 machine. I tried to disable all arch but (6 9) in mkfile, but then build fails thus: What are you on? Obviously there is an error in the build procedure, but it would be useful to know what is triggering it. On my workstation: term% cat /dev/archctl cpu

Re: [9fans] nix at lsub

2012-04-19 Thread Lucio De Re
We would be glad to work further on such a C++ port with anybody who can handle the Qt end of things so anybody interested in exploring such an endeavor should discuss with us. I have a friend who is totally sold on LLVM, but I note that it is itself written in C++, so bootstrapping would be

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