Re: [9fans] native install
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 13:57, Georg Lehner jorge-pl...@magma.com.ni wrote: Would right/left-handed dvorak be a good choice to keep one hand on the mouse and the other on the keyboard? it works alright for web browsing or if you're just typing english (and probably german as well), but you really have to stretch for non-alphabetic keys so it's less suitable for programming or anything but simple rc commands. i mapped many of the special keys to the numpad, but that might not work so well for a lefty
Re: [9fans] tiny rio hack: Delete
[...] it has happened to me too often to select [delete] by mistake and to delete a window afterwards before I realized my mistake. there is a patch on sources that allows you to change rio's linear menus into pie menus. this allows you to associate the desired action with a mouse gesture rather than requiring you to either remember the menu state or to always look carefully at what you're doing. since i began using pie menus with rio, my rate of absent-minded window loss has sharply dropped satisfaction guaranteed. and thank you to whoever wrote the patch
Re: [9fans] Plan9 awk vs. GNU awk
try using [_a-zA-Z][_a-zA-Z0-9] rather than the expanded form. i
didn't track it down to be sure, but plan 9 awk seem to have a limit
34 characters inside square brackets. a rather odd number
cpu% echo hello | awk '/^[abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFGH].+/ {
line = $0 ; print line }'
cpu% echo hello | awk '/^[abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFG].+/ { line
= $0 ; print line }'
hello
Re: [9fans] venti/copy question....
thanks for the tip. i got the same error (even the score, i think) when i tried copying some vbackup scores to a new server a few weeks ago. i hadn't thought of trying a different copy until you brought it up. using plan 9's copy instead of p9p's seems to be working well enough so far
Re: [9fans] the old floppy set
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 23:49, John Florenslawmas...@gmail.com wrote: With a little help from FreeDOS, I am now successfully running 2e i can't get past the first disk. it seems there is no suitable fat partition. no amount of partitioning and formatting under freedos or freebsd results in anything disk one will put files on. so what exactly constitutes a suitable fat partition?
Re: [9fans] the old floppy set
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 09:23, John Florenslawmas...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, first note that I didn't have any luck with QEMU, I had to install on an actual 486. i have the same error with both qemu and period hardware. i'm running qemu-8.2.0 and a pentium 266MHz laptop. on the laptop both my freedos partition and space for 2e are near the end of a 20G disk. same for qemu but with a 200M hda file. was your qemu problem similar to mine? I booted the FreeDOS disk and created a small partition (something like 50 MB) on the hard disk, leaving the rest unpartitioned. Then I installed FreeDOS to the small partition and started the Plan 9 installation. yep, did the same On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 09:26, erik quanstromquans...@quanstro.net wrote: i don't know what versions of fat 2e supported, but i would imagine restricting oneself to fat16 (and not fat16 lba) would be safest. i used fat16, i think lba. i figured plan 9 would be smart enough to deal with lba and large disks, but wikipedia tells me that 1995 was sort of a chs-lba transition period, so perhaps i was wrong. i won't be able to experiment with chs on the laptop as it has a large disk with freebsd filling it except for the very end
Re: [9fans] Why does Acme only show text?
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 04:58, c...@gli.cas.cz wrote: Maybe, it would also be great if the column-handle could react in the same way as the window-handle works: B3 to hide all other columns, B2 to show all and maximize the current column, B1 widen the current column. wily does this
Re: [9fans] what features would you like in a shell?
you think the idea of reloading a crashed program is not a good one? i don't like the idea. for example, what if it's a web browser? how do you determine when to relaunch? how do you decide that the program is not going to relaunch? how do you stop an errant shell from relaunching and consuming all your resources? you could just print out the commands to restart the program, and the user could select and send it only if they want to. that's the approach i usually take when i write an rc script to automate something, but i want to check what's going to happen before i let it run
Re: [9fans] spreding the word
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 11:01, Robert Raschke rtrli...@googlemail.com wrote: 'Tis a shame there's absolutley no attribution to be found. I wonder who wrote the book? Seems to be quite readable. pdfinfo sheds some light on the subject: Title: P9.pdf Author: Wellhoefer Creator:PScript5.dll Version 5.2 Producer: Acrobat Distiller 5.0 (Windows) CreationDate: Mon Aug 21 20:32:06 2006 ModDate:Mon Aug 21 20:32:06 2006 Tagged: no Pages: 237 Encrypted: no Page size: 595 x 842 pts (A4) File size: 1279189 bytes Optimized: yes PDF version:1.3 googling wellhoefer plan 9 found this on wikipedia: German book about Plan 9: Hans-Peter Bischof, Gunter Imeyer, Bernhard Wellhöfer (born as Kühl), Axel-Tobias Schreiner: Das Netzbetriebssystem Plan 9. 1999, ISBN 3-446-18881-9. The book is out of print, but available for free at the print-on-demand service provider Lulu.com.
Re: [9fans] sam/rc script problem
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 13:25, Rudolf Sykora rudolf.syk...@gmail.com wrote: When not using 'vt' I get CR printed at the end of each line, I can't read man pages, etc. ssh -r should strip carriage returns. to read man pages, i set my MANPAGER environment variable to cat or to p9p's nobs. i might be misunderstanding your problem though -- m
Re: [9fans] Help downloading Plan B using hget
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 13:50, Nolan Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I am a newcomer to plan 9. I current have Plan9 installed on my computer, and am trying to get Plan B. I use hget http://lsub.org/ls/export/planb4e.tgz; I just get a whole bunch of letters and numbers. Is this OK, or is there a problem becouse it keeps on doing this for a very long time. Also, once I have finished that, how do I save it to $home. -Nolan Hamilton try hget http://lsub.org/ls/export/planb4e.tgz /usr/asdfjkl/planb4e.tgz -- m
Re: [9fans] mmap and shared libraries
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 07:16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A thought ... Shared libraries do 2 possibly useful things: 1) save space 2) stop you having to re-link when a new library is released. i can see how relinks are painful with gnu-style build systems where you need to run ./configure and recurse thru endless Makefiles. but under the much cleaner plan 9 source tree, such things take seconds. plan 9 doesn't really have that many libraries either. my (probably naïve) impression is that much of what can be done with dynamically linked libraries can be done with pipes or layered filesystems also linking at loadtime or runtime slows things down. you might not notice interactively, but in shell scripts you certainly would. that is one of the reasons why the unix world uses shell scripts to a lesser extent. there are other advantages to static linking, but they slip my mind for now losing the advantages of static linking in order to duplicate functionality that can be gotten from pipes and filesystems doesn't seem like such a good tradeoff to me -- m
Re: [9fans] sources down?
On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 15:35, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sources is back up. We had a power outage and some of our machines didn't come back up automatically, though they usually do. and here i was thinking you had taken them offline to retool them for standard time ☺. thank you for maintaining sources. it is an invaluable resource -- m
Re: [9fans] Where to find plan9
the iso can be found here: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/download/plan9.iso.bz2 the home page http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/ doesn't seem to be working at the moment
[9fans] 3c509b troubles
hello, i have 3com etherlink iii 509b isa card that refuses to let me change its port or irq. also the only way i can get the card to talk on the network is to put my usb mouse on the same irq and wiggle it around really fast when i'm trying to receive or transmit. initially i could change neither the irq of the usb mouse nor of the ethernet card. i have turned off pnp in my bios and i can now move the irq of the usb mouse. however, without the wiggling mouse sharing its irq, the ethernet card with not work. from what i can tell by gleaning the 9fans archives, the 3c509b is quite a troublesome card. i found rumors of a dos utility that would convince the card to change its port and irq. i think this leaves me with two questions. first, where do i find this fabled configuration program? googling has proved fruitless. second, is fiddling with the port or irq even going to fix the problem? as far as i understand, if the card has its own irq staked out, it should just go on its way here is what is printed on startup: #l0; elnk3: 10Mbps port 0x300 irq 10: ethaddr #U/usb0: uhci: port 0xEF80 irq 12 #U/usb0 was initially at irq 10, but after disabling pnp in bios, i was able to move it to 12 -- m ps, i have a very limited understanding of what an isa card's port and irq even do. if i said anything that doesn't quite add up, that's probably why
Re: [9fans] 3c509b troubles
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 1:06 PM, erik quanstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: inform the kernel what the irq is. plan9.ini(8) has more information but i think you wish ether0=type=3C509 irq=12 in your plan9.ini. yes, i tried setting it in plan9.ini, but the card just ignores it
Re: [9fans] 3c509b troubles
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 2:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 12:40:29PM -0500, michael block wrote: from what i can tell by gleaning the 9fans archives, the 3c509b is quite a troublesome card. i found rumors of a dos utility that would convince the card to change its port and irq. i think this leaves me with two questions. first, where do i find this fabled configuration program? googling has proved fruitless. Frail memory triumphs over the almighty Google at last! 3C5X9CFG.EXE can be found in this self-extracting archive: ftp://ftp.3com.com/pub/nic/3c509/3c509x2.exe I think it needs 3C5X9ENG.HLP from the same archive as well. a windows machine with isa slots will be available to me on tuesday. i'll try this out and see what happens. of course a better solution would be to just fork over the cash for a better card...
Re: [9fans] 3c509b troubles
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a windows machine with isa slots will be available to me on tuesday. i'll try this out and see what happens. of course a better solution would be to just fork over the cash for a better card... Where can you even buy an ISA Ethernet (or any) card these days? I don't even see them on Ebay or Craiglist these days. there's no reason it needs to be isa, i have pci slots too. it's just the only card i have that qualifies as plan 9 supported hardware As far as ISA Ethernet cards go, in my experience the '509 was one of the most reliable ones ever made. In the early 1990s I deployed several hundred of these in various university workstation labs running Windows 3.11 and BSD/OS, and they just plain worked. i wouldn't say it's a bad card, just that from what i read in the 9fans archives it seems to be troublesome on plan 9 for some reason. i've used the same card on openbsd with no problem Referring to an earlier message in this thread, the string 'irq=nn' on the ether0= line in the .ini file just tells the kernel what IRQ to speak to the card on. It doesn't actually re-configure the card to use that IRQ. (The original message was a bit ambiguous about this.) ha! well that certainly explains a lot! like i said, i don't know what i'm doing. thanks, that really helped -- m
Re: [9fans] 3c509b troubles
heh. geez am i dopey. the problem was my misunderstanding of what the irq=xx parts in plan9.ini do. bios decides the irq, plan9.ini tells the kernel what the bios decided. that's my isa card mantra from now on thanks everyone, -- m
Re: [9fans] sad commentary
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Eris Discordia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fossil/Venti, however brilliant it may look like to the code junkie, does not offer anything for me but added complexity. i'm using p9p venti on linux, and it's been a total breeze to configure and administer. the utility of hist and yesterday in my opinion far outweigh the couple megabytes of memory that venti needs to be running all the time (i run it on my desktop machine, not a dedicated file server). i'm curious to know what backup system you're using that is simpler than venti. my interest in plan 9, inferno, octopus, c stems mainly from my using venti for backups and finding it to be far better that anything unix had to offer. so it you really do have a backup system simpler and more robust than venti, i'd love to try it out -- i apologize in advance if gmail has in anyway mutilated this messege. stay beautiful!
