Re: [9fans] Additional compilers under 9vx.OSX
In article ionvtt$p6n$1...@panix1.panix.com, Greg Comeau com...@comeaucomputing.com wrote: In article inuqri$eqi$1...@panix1.panix.com, Greg Comeau com...@comeaucomputing.com wrote: In article insdeo$km5$1...@panix1.panix.com, Greg Comeau com...@comeaucomputing.com wrote: As mentioned in a post yesterday, we seem to have succeeded in getting 5c et al built. However, in resuming playing around at least one case /bin/ape/sh is producing: ./command-name[3]: other-command-name: cannot execute - Access Denied since doing the mk's. Obviously something in those builds stomped on something already existing. Any ideas what? I found something similar online and did what they suggested: cd /sys/src/ape and mk nuke and mk install, but same result as above, even after rebooting. ?? FYI FWIW, I was able to locate binaries in the install file that the original /386/bin/ape directory came from and so I reexpanded it to a new directory and overrode the rebuilt one with a bind, and all now appears well. So instead of re-installing 9vx and/or trying to build only the 5? commands (which I think would have worked since it shouldn't have effected sh), I'm going to let good enough be for now. Will test some more, but I can only assume some sort of versionitis came into play here. Think this is an all time record for talking to myself :) Well, famous last words. Turns out that beyond toy programs this just did not work: Compiler (8c) gave errors, 9vx crashes more than normal, and programs built did the wrong thing. So with 9vx, something is definitely out of sync when doing the build the original way. So what I had to do is reinstall 9vx from scratch, install a 9vx ape tarball I found I had around and applied to the very original install (that got messed up) which contained 386 ape executables, as well as pulled in some .a files, which I believe gives me back the original 9vx system. Don't understand why the rebuild did not yield something without problems, but something in the piecemealing might be an issue. Adding 5l/5c/5i/5a as well as some arm lib's from the build though seems ok so far, but nothing serious run yet, so I'll probably be revisiting this part. -- Greg Comeau / 4.3.10.1 with C++0xisms now in beta! Comeau C/C++ ONLINE == http://www.comeaucomputing.com/tryitout World Class Compilers: Breathtaking C++, Amazing C99, Fabulous C90. Comeau C/C++ with Dinkumware's Libraries... Have you tried it?
Re: [9fans] Additional compilers under 9vx.OSX
what's weird is I'm just not seeing any of these problems. Good fun. ron
Re: [9fans] Additional compilers under 9vx.OSX
In article 90f71fcedeb5b45a5bed515862b8a...@hamnavoe.com, Richard Miller 9f...@hamnavoe.com wrote: 1) If it is upgraded to latest version of Snow Leopard (I think 10.6.3?), will anything regarding 9vx.OSX break? As far as I can tell, 9vx works fine on MacOSX 10.6.7. Just a note that we've since upgraded to 10.6.7 and it seems fine with us too. -- Greg Comeau / 4.3.10.1 with C++0xisms now in beta! Comeau C/C++ ONLINE == http://www.comeaucomputing.com/tryitout World Class Compilers: Breathtaking C++, Amazing C99, Fabulous C90. Comeau C/C++ with Dinkumware's Libraries... Have you tried it?
Re: [9fans] Additional compilers under 9vx.OSX
In article inuqri$eqi$1...@panix1.panix.com, Greg Comeau com...@comeaucomputing.com wrote: In article insdeo$km5$1...@panix1.panix.com, Greg Comeau com...@comeaucomputing.com wrote: As mentioned in a post yesterday, we seem to have succeeded in getting 5c et al built. However, in resuming playing around at least one case /bin/ape/sh is producing: ./command-name[3]: other-command-name: cannot execute - Access Denied since doing the mk's. Obviously something in those builds stomped on something already existing. Any ideas what? I found something similar online and did what they suggested: cd /sys/src/ape and mk nuke and mk install, but same result as above, even after rebooting. ?? FYI FWIW, I was able to locate binaries in the install file that the original /386/bin/ape directory came from and so I reexpanded it to a new directory and overrode the rebuilt one with a bind, and all now appears well. So instead of re-installing 9vx and/or trying to build only the 5? commands (which I think would have worked since it shouldn't have effected sh), I'm going to let good enough be for now. Will test some more, but I can only assume some sort of versionitis came into play here. -- Greg Comeau / 4.3.10.1 with C++0xisms now in beta! Comeau C/C++ ONLINE == http://www.comeaucomputing.com/tryitout World Class Compilers: Breathtaking C++, Amazing C99, Fabulous C90. Comeau C/C++ with Dinkumware's Libraries... Have you tried it?
Re: [9fans] Additional compilers under 9vx.OSX
In article a260bb06-00d9-43bc-89ae-6f5b08cb3...@gmail.com, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 11, 2011, at 3:44 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: the way to do this is cd /sys/src; objtype=arm mk mk clean Just getting to play with this... had to do some copying of some of the files first among other setbacks... ok, plain mk asks what to make, and so I tried 'mk all' which is saying 5c does not exist, but that's one of the things I want it to build. bad instructions. sorry. that should have been cd /sys/src/cmd; mk 5^(a l c)^.install cd /sys/src; objtype=arm mk install mk clean - erik I posted some on the wiki about how I got the guruplug working for me... Thanks. I tried google'ing but don't see to be able to find where that is. Please advise, thanks. -- Greg Comeau / 4.3.10.1 with C++0xisms now in beta! Comeau C/C++ ONLINE == http://www.comeaucomputing.com/tryitout World Class Compilers: Breathtaking C++, Amazing C99, Fabulous C90. Comeau C/C++ with Dinkumware's Libraries... Have you tried it?
Re: [9fans] Additional compilers under 9vx.OSX
In article ec9ea766ee9a078a26ff902ed3e27...@proxima.alt.za,
Lucio De Re lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote:
the way to do this is
cd /sys/src; objtype=arm mk mk clean
Just getting to play with this... had to do some copying of some of
the files first among other setbacks... ok, plain mk asks what to make,
and so I tried 'mk all' which is saying 5c does not exist, but
that's one of the things I want it to build.
There's a post by Geoff Collyer a while back, when the SheevaPlug was
first introduced to Plan 9 that explains how to build the arm
toolchain before trying to build the entire system. Along these
lines:
cd /sys/src/cmd
for (d in 5?) @{cd $d mk install}
I'm not going to try that now...
I am :) Well, actually, given the /bin/ape/sh problem,
what I'm going to try to do is try to set up an alternative
9vx.OSX install from scratch, and apply the latter above instead
of the earlier system build (or whatever it is that the other was)
and see if that helps any, unless there is thoughts that is
an exercise in futility for one reason or another?
--
Greg Comeau / 4.3.10.1 with C++0xisms now in beta!
Comeau C/C++ ONLINE == http://www.comeaucomputing.com/tryitout
World Class Compilers: Breathtaking C++, Amazing C99, Fabulous C90.
Comeau C/C++ with Dinkumware's Libraries... Have you tried it?
Re: [9fans] Additional compilers under 9vx.OSX
cd /sys/src/cmd
for (d in 5?) @{cd $d mk install}
I'm not going to try that now...
I am :) Well, actually, given the /bin/ape/sh problem,
what I'm going to try to do is try to set up an alternative
9vx.OSX install from scratch, and apply the latter above instead
of the earlier system build (or whatever it is that the other was)
and see if that helps any, unless there is thoughts that is
an exercise in futility for one reason or another?
I haven't ever tried it under 9vx (or did I? it's possible I've
forgotten) so YMMV. I have done it at least twice, quite a way back.
But I guess it isn't going to break anything. Erik's suggestion to do
the same from /sys/src/cmd may be slightly more orthodox.
++L
Re: [9fans] Additional compilers under 9vx.OSX
Sent from my iPhone On Apr 12, 2011, at 8:51 AM, com...@panix.com (Greg Comeau) wrote: In article a260bb06-00d9-43bc-89ae-6f5b08cb3...@gmail.com, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 11, 2011, at 3:44 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: the way to do this is cd /sys/src; objtype=arm mk mk clean Just getting to play with this... had to do some copying of some of the files first among other setbacks... ok, plain mk asks what to make, and so I tried 'mk all' which is saying 5c does not exist, but that's one of the things I want it to build. bad instructions. sorry. that should have been cd /sys/src/cmd; mk 5^(a l c)^.install cd /sys/src; objtype=arm mk install mk clean - erik I posted some on the wiki about how I got the guruplug working for me... Thanks. I tried google'ing but don't see to be able to find where that is. Please advise, thanks. http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/Guruplug/index.html -- Greg Comeau / 4.3.10.1 with C++0xisms now in beta! Comeau C/C++ ONLINE == http://www.comeaucomputing.com/tryitout World Class Compilers: Breathtaking C++, Amazing C99, Fabulous C90. Comeau C/C++ with Dinkumware's Libraries... Have you tried it?
Re: [9fans] Additional compilers under 9vx.OSX
As mentioned in a post yesterday, we seem to have succeeded in getting 5c et al built. However, in resuming playing around at least one case /bin/ape/sh is producing: ./command-name[3]: other-command-name: cannot execute - Access Denied since doing the mk's. Obviously something in those builds stomped on something already existing. Any ideas what? -- Greg Comeau / 4.3.10.1 with C++0xisms now in beta! Comeau C/C++ ONLINE == http://www.comeaucomputing.com/tryitout World Class Compilers: Breathtaking C++, Amazing C99, Fabulous C90. Comeau C/C++ with Dinkumware's Libraries... Have you tried it?
Re: [9fans] Additional compilers under 9vx.OSX
In article 784be5fe9a0079d80a76434d252dd...@coraid.com, erik quanstrom quans...@labs.coraid.com wrote: 2) If I recall as it was installed a while ago it came with 8c/8l and respective includes/libs already available. However, things like 5c and its requirements do not seem to be available by default. What's the easiest way to get the binaries and end-user install tree for the additional compilers (packaged files of each compiler would be best)? the way to do this is cd /sys/src; objtype=arm mk mk clean Ok, think I might be in order finally. After some snooping and Bakul's message, I see I had to do a general mk all and mk install before doing the above. And now many hours later I seem to get execution of a trival 5 program via 5i. Nothing like rainy day computing, except it's not raining here today :) Also, it does not seem that vc and qc (and perhaps some others) follow the above procedure. Is that right? IOWs, for instance, after the mk all and mk install only 1c, 2c, 5c, 7c, and 8c are in /386/bin, but the others I don't see. -- Greg Comeau / 4.3.10.1 with C++0xisms now in beta! Comeau C/C++ ONLINE == http://www.comeaucomputing.com/tryitout World Class Compilers: Breathtaking C++, Amazing C99, Fabulous C90. Comeau C/C++ with Dinkumware's Libraries... Have you tried it?
Re: [9fans] Additional compilers under 9vx.OSX
In article 90f71fcedeb5b45a5bed515862b8a...@hamnavoe.com, Richard Miller 9f...@hamnavoe.com wrote: 1) If it is upgraded to latest version of Snow Leopard (I think 10.6.3?), will anything regarding 9vx.OSX break? As far as I can tell, 9vx works fine on MacOSX 10.6.7. Great, 9vx is so convenient. -- Greg Comeau / 4.3.10.1 with C++0xisms now in beta! Comeau C/C++ ONLINE == http://www.comeaucomputing.com/tryitout World Class Compilers: Breathtaking C++, Amazing C99, Fabulous C90. Comeau C/C++ with Dinkumware's Libraries... Have you tried it?
Re: [9fans] Additional compilers under 9vx.OSX
In article 784be5fe9a0079d80a76434d252dd...@coraid.com, erik quanstrom quans...@labs.coraid.com wrote: 2) If I recall as it was installed a while ago it came with 8c/8l and respective includes/libs already available. However, things like 5c and its requirements do not seem to be available by default. What's the easiest way to get the binaries and end-user install tree for the additional compilers (packaged files of each compiler would be best)? the way to do this is cd /sys/src; objtype=arm mk mk clean Just getting to play with this... had to do some copying of some of the files first among other setbacks... ok, plain mk asks what to make, and so I tried 'mk all' which is saying 5c does not exist, but that's one of the things I want it to build. -- Greg Comeau / 4.3.10.1 with C++0xisms now in beta! Comeau C/C++ ONLINE == http://www.comeaucomputing.com/tryitout World Class Compilers: Breathtaking C++, Amazing C99, Fabulous C90. Comeau C/C++ with Dinkumware's Libraries... Have you tried it?
Re: [9fans] Additional compilers under 9vx.OSX
In article BANLkTi=djiqswgyncojzoopvffkybai...@mail.gmail.com, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: I regularly build kernels and full bins for arm on 9vx. the biggest issue with osx is when you install 9vx on a case-insenstive file system: things like /bin/Kill and /bin/kill don't quite work out. Thanks for the heads up, I seem to have run into this trying to copy sys and eventually had to use a piping tar and cross my fingers nothing got stomped on that I'm trying to (eventually) build -- Greg Comeau / 4.3.10.1 with C++0xisms now in beta! Comeau C/C++ ONLINE == http://www.comeaucomputing.com/tryitout World Class Compilers: Breathtaking C++, Amazing C99, Fabulous C90. Comeau C/C++ with Dinkumware's Libraries... Have you tried it?
Re: [9fans] Additional compilers under 9vx.OSX
the way to do this is
cd /sys/src; objtype=arm mk mk clean
Just getting to play with this... had to do some copying of some of
the files first among other setbacks... ok, plain mk asks what to make,
and so I tried 'mk all' which is saying 5c does not exist, but
that's one of the things I want it to build.
There's a post by Geoff Collyer a while back, when the SheevaPlug was
first introduced to Plan 9 that explains how to build the arm
toolchain before trying to build the entire system. Along these
lines:
cd /sys/src/cmd
for (d in 5?) @{cd $d mk install}
I'm not going to try that now...
++L
Re: [9fans] Additional compilers under 9vx.OSX
the way to do this is cd /sys/src; objtype=arm mk mk clean Just getting to play with this... had to do some copying of some of the files first among other setbacks... ok, plain mk asks what to make, and so I tried 'mk all' which is saying 5c does not exist, but that's one of the things I want it to build. bad instructions. sorry. that should have been cd /sys/src/cmd; mk 5^(a l c)^.install cd /sys/src; objtype=arm mk install mk clean - erik
Re: [9fans] Additional compilers under 9vx.OSX
In article insdeo$km5$1...@panix1.panix.com, Greg Comeau com...@comeaucomputing.com wrote: As mentioned in a post yesterday, we seem to have succeeded in getting 5c et al built. However, in resuming playing around at least one case /bin/ape/sh is producing: ./command-name[3]: other-command-name: cannot execute - Access Denied since doing the mk's. Obviously something in those builds stomped on something already existing. Any ideas what? I found something similar online and did what they suggested: cd /sys/src/ape and mk nuke and mk install, but same result as above, even after rebooting. ?? -- Greg Comeau / 4.3.10.1 with C++0xisms now in beta! Comeau C/C++ ONLINE == http://www.comeaucomputing.com/tryitout World Class Compilers: Breathtaking C++, Amazing C99, Fabulous C90. Comeau C/C++ with Dinkumware's Libraries... Have you tried it?
Re: [9fans] Additional compilers under 9vx.OSX
Sent from my iPhone On Apr 11, 2011, at 3:44 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: the way to do this is cd /sys/src; objtype=arm mk mk clean Just getting to play with this... had to do some copying of some of the files first among other setbacks... ok, plain mk asks what to make, and so I tried 'mk all' which is saying 5c does not exist, but that's one of the things I want it to build. bad instructions. sorry. that should have been cd /sys/src/cmd; mk 5^(a l c)^.install cd /sys/src; objtype=arm mk install mk clean - erik I posted some on the wiki about how I got the guruplug working for me...
Re: [9fans] Additional compilers under 9vx.OSX
i'm not keen on disks within disks because you either have to waste lots of space or risk running out of it. On 7 April 2011 16:45, Paul Lalonde paul.a.lalo...@gmail.com wrote: Fortunately you can build a case-insensitive file system on a mac, within a file. Disk Utility lets you make a filesystem in a file, and you can click case-sensitive. Big win, and though you have to size the FS ahead, it's also nice to have my 9vx install all in one disk file for moving to other machines. Paul On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 8:38 AM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: I regularly build kernels and full bins for arm on 9vx. the biggest issue with osx is when you install 9vx on a case-insenstive file system: things like /bin/Kill and /bin/kill don't quite work out. ron -- I'm migrating my email. plalo...@telus.net will soon be disconnected. Please use paul.a.lalo...@gmail.com from now on.
Re: [9fans] Additional compilers under 9vx.OSX
On Fri Apr 8 05:10:49 EDT 2011, rogpe...@gmail.com wrote: i'm not keen on disks within disks because you either have to waste lots of space or risk running out of it. true, but ... is disk space your most constrained resource? is a free byte on disk wasted or not? i bought the smallest practical disks to use in a raid5, and still have this ratio of used to free wmax = 1787567 0+ 0% wsize = 183143631 1+ 0% so plan 9 has really miniscule requirements. and both venti and cwfs can add storage on an add-needed basis. so you don't need to waste more than a 1gb at a time. (probablly = 1/4 the amount of ram you have in your machine :-) i'd probablly just devote 32gb to the 9vx and be done with it. it's taken me 7 years to fill up the first 13. - erik
[9fans] Additional compilers under 9vx.OSX
We have an Intel based OS X 10.4.11 running 9vx.OSX 0.12 Two questions: 1) If it is upgraded to latest version of Snow Leopard (I think 10.6.3?), will anything regarding 9vx.OSX break? Also, forward looking, what about with beta for the next OS X which I understand will be released this summer? 2) If I recall as it was installed a while ago it came with 8c/8l and respective includes/libs already available. However, things like 5c and its requirements do not seem to be available by default. What's the easiest way to get the binaries and end-user install tree for the additional compilers (packaged files of each compiler would be best)? -- Greg Comeau / 4.3.10.1 with C++0xisms now in beta! Comeau C/C++ ONLINE == http://www.comeaucomputing.com/tryitout World Class Compilers: Breathtaking C++, Amazing C99, Fabulous C90. Comeau C/C++ with Dinkumware's Libraries... Have you tried it?
Re: [9fans] Additional compilers under 9vx.OSX
2) If I recall as it was installed a while ago it came with 8c/8l and respective includes/libs already available. However, things like 5c and its requirements do not seem to be available by default. What's the easiest way to get the binaries and end-user install tree for the additional compilers (packaged files of each compiler would be best)? the way to do this is cd /sys/src; objtype=arm mk mk clean - erik
Re: [9fans] Additional compilers under 9vx.OSX
1) If it is upgraded to latest version of Snow Leopard (I think 10.6.3?), will anything regarding 9vx.OSX break? As far as I can tell, 9vx works fine on MacOSX 10.6.7.
Re: [9fans] Additional compilers under 9vx.OSX
On Apr 7, 2011, at 1:34 PM, com...@panix.com (Greg Comeau) wrote: 2) If I recall as it was installed a while ago it came with 8c/8l and respective includes/libs already available. However, things like 5c and its requirements do not seem to be available by default. What's the easiest way to get the binaries and end-user install tree for the additional compilers (packaged files of each compiler would be best)? Copy (or bind) the latest /sys to 9vx's /sys and mk everything and install.
Re: [9fans] Additional compilers under 9vx.OSX
I regularly build kernels and full bins for arm on 9vx. the biggest issue with osx is when you install 9vx on a case-insenstive file system: things like /bin/Kill and /bin/kill don't quite work out. ron
Re: [9fans] Additional compilers under 9vx.OSX
Fortunately you can build a case-insensitive file system on a mac, within a file. Disk Utility lets you make a filesystem in a file, and you can click case-sensitive. Big win, and though you have to size the FS ahead, it's also nice to have my 9vx install all in one disk file for moving to other machines. Paul On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 8:38 AM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: I regularly build kernels and full bins for arm on 9vx. the biggest issue with osx is when you install 9vx on a case-insenstive file system: things like /bin/Kill and /bin/kill don't quite work out. ron -- I'm migrating my email. plalo...@telus.net will soon be disconnected. Please use paul.a.lalo...@gmail.com from now on.
Re: [9fans] Additional compilers under 9vx.OSX
1s/case-insensitive/case-sensitive/ On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Paul Lalonde paul.a.lalo...@gmail.comwrote: Fortunately you can build a case-insensitive file system on a mac, within a file. Disk Utility lets you make a filesystem in a file, and you can click case-sensitive. Big win, and though you have to size the FS ahead, it's also nice to have my 9vx install all in one disk file for moving to other machines. Paul On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 8:38 AM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: I regularly build kernels and full bins for arm on 9vx. the biggest issue with osx is when you install 9vx on a case-insenstive file system: things like /bin/Kill and /bin/kill don't quite work out. ron -- I'm migrating my email. plalo...@telus.net will soon be disconnected. Please use paul.a.lalo...@gmail.com from now on. -- I'm migrating my email. plalo...@telus.net will soon be disconnected. Please use paul.a.lalo...@gmail.com from now on.
Re: [9fans] Additional compilers under 9vx.OSX
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Paul Lalonde paul.a.lalo...@gmail.com wrote: Fortunately you can build a case-insensitive file system on a mac, within a file. Disk Utility lets you make a filesystem in a file, and you can click case-sensitive. Big win, and though you have to size the FS ahead, it's also nice to have my 9vx install all in one disk file for moving to other machines. Yep, this is a good answer. As long as it is case-sensitive :-) What size did you use? What file system -- just HFS with case-sensitive? Also, I have used my mac to host gumstix nodes, works great, save for one mystery, which is always the question of auth. We're going to work on that I hope at the next BAP9UG meeting on April 15, probably in livermore, who knows where. ron
Re: [9fans] Additional compilers under 9vx.OSX
On Apr 7, 2011, at 11:45, Paul Lalonde wrote: Fortunately you can build a case-insensitive file system on a mac, within a file. Just in case this wasn't obvious, you can do this with the real, on-disk filesystem, too. There's no upgrading an existing FS, so this is most practical when getting a new box, but it's the first thing I do to a new Mac (it's nice for reasons other than just 9vx). I know several other people who do the same. The only reported problems are MS Office and a few games ported (poorly) from Windows. (Er, and the OS X AoE driver, initially, but the maker has fixed that) PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [9fans] Additional compilers under 9vx.OSX
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Anthony Sorace a...@9srv.net wrote: On Apr 7, 2011, at 11:45, Paul Lalonde wrote: Fortunately you can build a case-insensitive file system on a mac, within a file. Just in case this wasn't obvious, you can do this with the real, on-disk filesystem, too. There's no upgrading an existing FS, so this is most practical when getting a new box, but it's the first thing I do to a new Mac (it's nice for reasons other than just 9vx). I know several other people who do the same. The only reported problems are MS Office and a few games ported (poorly) from Windows. (Er, and the OS X AoE driver, initially, but the maker has fixed that) I considered making the osx root case-sensitive but found too many don't do this stories on the web, in particular concerning MS office. I hate it but I have to have a working MS office to get along with corporate. ron
Re: [9fans] Additional compilers under 9vx.OSX
would a better solution be a modification to 9vx to allow it to generate virtual disks in a file. Then you could start fossil/kfs/cwfs/pacfs/other in plan9 and have the same functionality and the ability to have the filesystem work exactly like plan9 - permissions, dates, append only files etc. just and idea -Steve
Re: [9fans] Additional compilers under 9vx.OSX
would a better solution be a modification to 9vx to allow it to generate virtual disks in a file. Then you could start fossil/kfs/cwfs/pacfs/other in plan9 and have the same functionality and the ability to have the filesystem work exactly like plan9 - permissions, dates, append only files etc. just and idea -Steve I've not set this up myself, but yiyus posted a howto for setting up 9vx with a kfs partition in a file: http://9fans.net/archive/2010/10/14 -sl
