Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
As of today, we have Inferno running on the Nexus S and the Nook Color. And naturally, the Nexus S has been discontinued. At least, I can't get my hands on one anywhere in Canada. Anyone have a souce for an unlocked Nexus S (preferably from a US online dealer, for reasons too absurd to go into).
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https://negrielectronics.com/google-nexus-s-i9020a-white-8503g-unlocked.html On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX) lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote: As of today, we have Inferno running on the Nexus S and the Nook Color. And naturally, the Nexus S has been discontinued. At least, I can't get my hands on one anywhere in Canada. Anyone have a souce for an unlocked Nexus S (preferably from a US online dealer, for reasons too absurd to go into).
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
You might want to check out eBay, usually a good way to pick up cheaper dev hardware. On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 4:55 PM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: https://negrielectronics.com/google-nexus-s-i9020a-white-8503g-unlocked.html On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX) lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote: As of today, we have Inferno running on the Nexus S and the Nook Color. And naturally, the Nexus S has been discontinued. At least, I can't get my hands on one anywhere in Canada. Anyone have a souce for an unlocked Nexus S (preferably from a US online dealer, for reasons too absurd to go into).
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
next target http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4228591/Dick-Tracy-watch-ARM-TechCon -- Don't meddle in the mouth -- MVS (0416935147, +1-513-3BRUCEE)
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 09:02:52 +1000 Bruce Ellis bruce.el...@gmail.com wrote: next target http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4228591/Dick-Tracy-watch-ARM-TechCon Got to be done! :}
[9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
i build the floren-inferno with cyanogen-mod source code(htc hero) and i got the error,why? agcc -c -O -I/media/sdb1/inferno/floren-inferno/Android/arm/include -I/media/sdb1/inferno/floren-inferno/include -DLINUX_ARM -DINFERNO -I/media/sdb1/inferno/floren-inferno/include/freetype -I. freetype.c /media/sdb1/android/bionic/libc/include/stdlib.h:169: error: expected ')' before '*' token /media/sdb1/android/bionic/libc/include/stdlib.h:170: error: expected ')' before '*' token /media/sdb1/android/bionic/libc/include/stdlib.h:173: error: expected declaration specifiers or '...' before 'wchar_t' /media/sdb1/android/bionic/libc/include/stdlib.h:174: error: expected ';', ',' or ')' before '*' token In file included from /media/sdb1/inferno/floren-inferno/Android/arm/include/lib9.h:17,
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
you need to dig a lot more than that! What distro? What OS? did you look in the file to see what was going on? If something this simple stops you this much, this may not be the right project for you to take on. ron
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:43 AM, 252608386 252608...@qq.com wrote: i build the floren-inferno with cyanogen-mod source code(htc hero) and i got the error,why? agcc -c -O -I/media/sdb1/inferno/floren-inferno/Android/arm/include -I/media/sdb1/inferno/floren-inferno/include -DLINUX_ARM -DINFERNO -I/media/sdb1/inferno/floren-inferno/include/freetype -I. freetype.c /media/sdb1/android/bionic/libc/include/stdlib.h:169: error: expected ')' before '*' token /media/sdb1/android/bionic/libc/include/stdlib.h:170: error: expected ')' before '*' token /media/sdb1/android/bionic/libc/include/stdlib.h:173: error: expected declaration specifiers or '...' before 'wchar_t' /media/sdb1/android/bionic/libc/include/stdlib.h:174: error: expected ';', ',' or ')' before '*' token In file included from /media/sdb1/inferno/floren-inferno/Android/arm/include/lib9.h:17, I think I recognize this error. I will post more complete building instructions when I get to work. John
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
On Sep 28, 11:13 pm, j...@jfloren.net (John Floren) wrote: On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:43 AM, 252608386 252608...@qq.com wrote: i build the floren-inferno with cyanogen-mod source code(htc hero) and i got the error,why? agcc -c -O -I/media/sdb1/inferno/floren-inferno/Android/arm/include -I/media/sdb1/inferno/floren-inferno/include -DLINUX_ARM -DINFERNO -I/media/sdb1/inferno/floren-inferno/include/freetype -I. freetype.c /media/sdb1/android/bionic/libc/include/stdlib.h:169: error: expected ')' before '*' token /media/sdb1/android/bionic/libc/include/stdlib.h:170: error: expected ')' before '*' token /media/sdb1/android/bionic/libc/include/stdlib.h:173: error: expected declaration specifiers or '...' before 'wchar_t' /media/sdb1/android/bionic/libc/include/stdlib.h:174: error: expected ';', ',' or ')' before '*' token In file included from /media/sdb1/inferno/floren-inferno/Android/arm/include/lib9.h:17, I think I recognize this error. I will post more complete building instructions when I get to work. John thanks and wait. I build this on BackTrack5,and build the cyanogen-mod for HTC hero successfully. also compile Inferno x86 tools. this error occurs when build the Inferno-Android. I also google the problem, somebody said That's clearly a truecrypt bug. sorry for my pool English.
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:43 AM, 252608386 252608...@qq.com wrote: i build the floren-inferno with cyanogen-mod source code(htc hero) and i got the error,why? agcc -c -O -I/media/sdb1/inferno/floren-inferno/Android/arm/include -I/media/sdb1/inferno/floren-inferno/include -DLINUX_ARM -DINFERNO -I/media/sdb1/inferno/floren-inferno/include/freetype -I. freetype.c /media/sdb1/android/bionic/libc/include/stdlib.h:169: error: expected ')' before '*' token /media/sdb1/android/bionic/libc/include/stdlib.h:170: error: expected ')' before '*' token /media/sdb1/android/bionic/libc/include/stdlib.h:173: error: expected declaration specifiers or '...' before 'wchar_t' /media/sdb1/android/bionic/libc/include/stdlib.h:174: error: expected ';', ',' or ')' before '*' token In file included from /media/sdb1/inferno/floren-inferno/Android/arm/include/lib9.h:17, Please check out https://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/wiki/CompilingInferno, specifically the bit about changing stdlib.h. It's not a pretty way to do things, but it works. Once you make the change, if you intend to do a repo sync later, you'll need to change to the bionic directory and do a git stash to get rid of your changes, or else repo sync will fail. You can then change it back later. John
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:53 PM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:43 AM, 252608386 252608...@qq.com wrote: i build the floren-inferno with cyanogen-mod source code(htc hero) and i got the error,why? agcc -c -O -I/media/sdb1/inferno/floren-inferno/Android/arm/include -I/media/sdb1/inferno/floren-inferno/include -DLINUX_ARM -DINFERNO -I/media/sdb1/inferno/floren-inferno/include/freetype -I. freetype.c /media/sdb1/android/bionic/libc/include/stdlib.h:169: error: expected ')' before '*' token /media/sdb1/android/bionic/libc/include/stdlib.h:170: error: expected ')' before '*' token /media/sdb1/android/bionic/libc/include/stdlib.h:173: error: expected declaration specifiers or '...' before 'wchar_t' /media/sdb1/android/bionic/libc/include/stdlib.h:174: error: expected ';', ',' or ')' before '*' token In file included from /media/sdb1/inferno/floren-inferno/Android/arm/include/lib9.h:17, Please check out https://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/wiki/CompilingInferno, specifically the bit about changing stdlib.h. It's not a pretty way to do things, but it works. Once you make the change, if you intend to do a repo sync later, you'll need to change to the bionic directory and do a git stash to get rid of your changes, or else repo sync will fail. You can then change it back later. John Anyone running Inferno on Android may also find this useful: https://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/wiki/HellaphoneManual John
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
Update: We now have a sort-of-working audio device in there. Sort of. You can bind '#A' /dev and write to /dev/audio, 44.1KHz 16 bit PCM audio will play fine. It'll also attempt to record 16KHZ 16 bit PCM, but it comes out choppy. All the code is basically a crude hack from the OpenSL ES example code. Anyone with experience in OpenSL is encouraged to submit patches; I'm feeling around in the dark here :-) John
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
Hi All, Would this phone be able to run inferno? Samsung Google Nexus S I9023 Unlocked GSM Android Phone With 4 Touchscreen, Dual-Cameras, WiFi More! http://1saleaday.com/wireless/?CID=173477AFID=178621 Its on sale today. Price $299. Does it make sense? Thanks dharani On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Bruce Ellis bruce.el...@gmail.com wrote: Hey! Hold on ... I wouldn't believe me either. On 23 September 2011 23:51, Mathieu Lonjaret mathieu.lonja...@gmail.com wrote: Because deep inside you know it's just an elaborate ruse from brucee. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Richard Miller 9f...@hamnavoe.com wrote: The Wank E5 was AU$50. Why is it that I can't quite summon up the courage to do a google search for wank phone? -- Don't meddle in the mouth -- MVS (0416935147, +1-513-3BRUCEE)
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On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 00:26:19 -0700 Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan vdhar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, Would this phone be able to run inferno? Samsung Google Nexus S I9023 Unlocked GSM Android Phone With 4 Touchscreen, Dual-Cameras, WiFi More! It's running on at least one other Nexus S already: http://9fans.net/archive/2011/09/356
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That's the phone we used to develop, so yes. On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:26 AM, Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan vdhar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, Would this phone be able to run inferno? Samsung Google Nexus S I9023 Unlocked GSM Android Phone With 4 Touchscreen, Dual-Cameras, WiFi More! http://1saleaday.com/wireless/?CID=173477AFID=178621 Its on sale today. Price $299. Does it make sense? Thanks dharani On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Bruce Ellis bruce.el...@gmail.com wrote: Hey! Hold on ... I wouldn't believe me either. On 23 September 2011 23:51, Mathieu Lonjaret mathieu.lonja...@gmail.com wrote: Because deep inside you know it's just an elaborate ruse from brucee. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Richard Miller 9f...@hamnavoe.com wrote: The Wank E5 was AU$50. Why is it that I can't quite summon up the courage to do a google search for wank phone? -- Don't meddle in the mouth -- MVS (0416935147, +1-513-3BRUCEE)
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 22:30:56 +1000 Bruce Ellis bruce.el...@gmail.com wrote: The Wank E5 was AU$50. The only disappointing thing was that they took the Wank tagging off the case, though it is still unashamed in the battery compartment. I'm not sure how much fun It will be at the airport with a dozen phones - but if I check them they'll get lost at Heathrow. Wot? Don't want it without the label! Nah, seriously, that's a whole lot better than the £200 I just saw for the HTC Wildfire which was recommended to me as a cheap Android phone. I would like one if you're all right bringing/posting it.
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The Wank E5 was AU$50. Why is it that I can't quite summon up the courage to do a google search for wank phone?
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On Fri Sep 23 09:41:43 EDT 2011, 9f...@hamnavoe.com wrote: The Wank E5 was AU$50. Why is it that I can't quite summon up the courage to do a google search for wank phone? that might be a mistake but searching for wank e5 turned up nothing more offensive than el reg. http://www.mobino1.com/product-1341.html - erik
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Because deep inside you know it's just an elaborate ruse from brucee. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Richard Miller 9f...@hamnavoe.com wrote: The Wank E5 was AU$50. Why is it that I can't quite summon up the courage to do a google search for wank phone?
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
The Wank E5 was AU$50. Why is it that I can't quite summon up the courage to do a google search for wank phone? Because it will cost you $4.99 a minute?
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Turn safe search on first. http://www.amokbuy.com/928-wank-e5-wifi-mobile-phone.html On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Brian L. Stuart blstu...@bellsouth.net wrote: The Wank E5 was AU$50. Why is it that I can't quite summon up the courage to do a google search for wank phone? Because it will cost you $4.99 a minute? -- - curiosity sKilled the cat
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On Sep 23, 2011, at 9:05 AM, Gorka Guardiola wrote: Turn safe search on first. Or just go to the register's search field first. They've got a nice little headline, Forget the Jesus Phone, here's the Rude Phone.
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Hey! Hold on ... I wouldn't believe me either. On 23 September 2011 23:51, Mathieu Lonjaret mathieu.lonja...@gmail.com wrote: Because deep inside you know it's just an elaborate ruse from brucee. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Richard Miller 9f...@hamnavoe.com wrote: The Wank E5 was AU$50. Why is it that I can't quite summon up the courage to do a google search for wank phone? -- Don't meddle in the mouth -- MVS (0416935147, +1-513-3BRUCEE)
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
The phones that I have worked on have *INSANE* audio routing. Qudos to he who conquers. A phone call is a damned good start though. brucee On 22 September 2011 08:14, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Ethan Grammatikidis eeke...@fastmail.fm wrote: On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 11:26:49 -0700 Joel Armstrong joelcarmstr...@gmail.com wrote: The phone won't beep or anything Does it not have audio? I wasn't very involved in the audio side of things, but as I recall there are separate controls for audio coming from/going to the cell chip vs. audio that the user deals with. We have the cell audio working so you can make a phone call and talk to someone. We haven't built a /dev/audio yet, though, so there are no notification sounds. John -- Don't meddle in the mouth -- MVS (0416935147, +1-513-3BRUCEE)
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On Wed, 21 Sep 2011 15:14:43 -0700 John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Ethan Grammatikidis eeke...@fastmail.fm wrote: On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 11:26:49 -0700 Joel Armstrong joelcarmstr...@gmail.com wrote: The phone won't beep or anything Does it not have audio? I wasn't very involved in the audio side of things, but as I recall there are separate controls for audio coming from/going to the cell chip vs. audio that the user deals with. We have the cell audio working so you can make a phone call and talk to someone. We haven't built a /dev/audio yet, though, so there are no notification sounds. Ah *nods* this is what I wanted to know, thanks. I hope it's not as insane as Bruce mentions. Also Ron: You were perfectly right. /me intentionally fails to elaborate on that.
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
On Tue, 20 Sep 2011 07:49:57 +1000 Bruce Ellis bruce.el...@gmail.com wrote: Are there some clues about what is needed in a compatible phone? Simply unlocked android or any other niggles? The phones available from China are usually based on a big seller (and come off the same hardware production line). One I have is based on the nokia E5 (and is called the Wank E5). If I hurry I can throw around a box of new phones at IWP9. I probably shouldn't ask, but how much would they be? Once you've found a suitable model of course. I won't be at Madrid, but I imagine postage within the EU would be reasonable. (I'm in Britain.) I'm thinking I'd much rather have a model other people are using too, rather than attempt to port to another model which might be quite different.
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
The Wank E5 was AU$50. The only disappointing thing was that they took the Wank tagging off the case, though it is still unashamed in the battery compartment. I'm not sure how much fun It will be at the airport with a dozen phones - but if I check them they'll get lost at Heathrow. brucee On 22 September 2011 20:11, Ethan Grammatikidis eeke...@fastmail.fm wrote: On Tue, 20 Sep 2011 07:49:57 +1000 Bruce Ellis bruce.el...@gmail.com wrote: Are there some clues about what is needed in a compatible phone? Simply unlocked android or any other niggles? The phones available from China are usually based on a big seller (and come off the same hardware production line). One I have is based on the nokia E5 (and is called the Wank E5). If I hurry I can throw around a box of new phones at IWP9. I probably shouldn't ask, but how much would they be? Once you've found a suitable model of course. I won't be at Madrid, but I imagine postage within the EU would be reasonable. (I'm in Britain.) I'm thinking I'd much rather have a model other people are using too, rather than attempt to port to another model which might be quite different. -- Don't meddle in the mouth -- MVS (0416935147, +1-513-3BRUCEE)
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On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 11:26:49 -0700 Joel Armstrong joelcarmstr...@gmail.com wrote: The phone won't beep or anything Does it not have audio?
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On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Ethan Grammatikidis eeke...@fastmail.fm wrote: On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 11:26:49 -0700 Joel Armstrong joelcarmstr...@gmail.com wrote: The phone won't beep or anything Does it not have audio? I'm not sure I understand the point of your question, but I'm not sure you understand the issues surrounding your question :-) I mean, of course it has audio. It's a phone. ron
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Ethan Grammatikidis eeke...@fastmail.fm wrote: On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 11:26:49 -0700 Joel Armstrong joelcarmstr...@gmail.com wrote: The phone won't beep or anything Does it not have audio? I wasn't very involved in the audio side of things, but as I recall there are separate controls for audio coming from/going to the cell chip vs. audio that the user deals with. We have the cell audio working so you can make a phone call and talk to someone. We haven't built a /dev/audio yet, though, so there are no notification sounds. John
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 3:05 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: What would truly be interesting, since we don't need to reboot to switch modes, would be a button to do just that ... It's really easy to switch modes from the shell. To go from zygote to Inferno: stop zygote stop media start media-inferno start inferno To go from inferno to zygote: stop inferno stop media-inferno killall emu-g start media start zygote Adding an appropriate menu item in Inferno would allow you to switch back to the Java UI easily. Might be a little tougher on the Java side to go to Inferno, without being connected to a PC. John
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 10:25 AM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 3:05 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: What would truly be interesting, since we don't need to reboot to switch modes, would be a button to do just that ... It's really easy to switch modes from the shell. To go from zygote to Inferno: stop zygote stop media start media-inferno start inferno To go from inferno to zygote: stop inferno stop media-inferno killall emu-g start media start zygote Adding an appropriate menu item in Inferno would allow you to switch back to the Java UI easily. Might be a little tougher on the Java side to go to Inferno, without being connected to a PC. yeah, android is so powerful, eh? You can't just exit it. ron
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but showing that menu on the inferno side would be very neat. ron
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Are there some clues about what is needed in a compatible phone? Simply unlocked android or any other niggles? The phones available from China are usually based on a big seller (and come off the same hardware production line). One I have is based on the nokia E5 (and is called the Wank E5). If I hurry I can throw around a box of new phones at IWP9. brucee On 20 September 2011 03:29, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: but showing that menu on the inferno side would be very neat. ron -- Don't meddle in the mouth -- MVS (0416935147, +1-513-3BRUCEE)
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One I have is based on the nokia E5 (and is called the Wank E5) surely a forutune? -Steve
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Reminds me of some Chinese PC's we evaluated many years ago. One model was called My Personal Woody... On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Bruce Ellis bruce.el...@gmail.com wrote: Are there some clues about what is needed in a compatible phone? Simply unlocked android or any other niggles? The phones available from China are usually based on a big seller (and come off the same hardware production line). One I have is based on the nokia E5 (and is called the Wank E5). If I hurry I can throw around a box of new phones at IWP9. brucee On 20 September 2011 03:29, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: but showing that menu on the inferno side would be very neat. ron -- Don't meddle in the mouth -- MVS (0416935147, +1-513-3BRUCEE)
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These high resolution displays in current mainstream smartphones are worth their bucks in my view!. But if the china phones are available with 800x480 and under 100 Euros I might reconsider...
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Unlocked android, basically, but I think it's best if you can run Cyanogenmod on it. That's what we've used for all of our testing, because it's available for a lot of phones and provides a reasonably similar environment across all of them. Since the E5 is not an Android phone, you probably won't have much luck with that one. See if there are any other Wank-ers that can run Android. John On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Bruce Ellis bruce.el...@gmail.com wrote: Are there some clues about what is needed in a compatible phone? Simply unlocked android or any other niggles? The phones available from China are usually based on a big seller (and come off the same hardware production line). One I have is based on the nokia E5 (and is called the Wank E5). If I hurry I can throw around a box of new phones at IWP9. brucee On 20 September 2011 03:29, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: but showing that menu on the inferno side would be very neat. ron -- Don't meddle in the mouth -- MVS (0416935147, +1-513-3BRUCEE)
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Any idea how much work it would be to adapt that for the nokia n900? No need for the android version on maemo - standard hosted inferno just works on the n900. I've been running it for quite a while (or was until my pocket was picked in Paris last week ☹). I'll have to go back to my n800 (=n900 without the phone part) which also runs standard inferno happily, after a small mod to win-x11a (in contrib/miller/inferno/n800). N900 is a nice device, but android phones can be a lot cheaper.
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Good to know, thanks! On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Richard Miller 9f...@hamnavoe.com wrote: Any idea how much work it would be to adapt that for the nokia n900? No need for the android version on maemo - standard hosted inferno just works on the n900. I've been running it for quite a while (or was until my pocket was picked in Paris last week ☹). I'll have to go back to my n800 (=n900 without the phone part) which also runs standard inferno happily, after a small mod to win-x11a (in contrib/miller/inferno/n800). N900 is a nice device, but android phones can be a lot cheaper.
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 15:23:01 -0700 John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: We would like to announce the availability of Inferno for Android phones. Because our slogan is If it ain't broke, break it, we decided to replace the Java stack on Android phones with Inferno. We've dubbed it the Hellaphone--it was originally Hellphone, to keep with the Inferno theme, but then we realized we're in Northern California and the change was obvious. Excelent! Now where can I steal an Android phone from... There's a tablet I might be able to get my hands on but it's got some funky CPU; not ARM, something else. My memory is saying Dragonball but I've got a feeling it's lying.
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OK, more data this morning. Since the cyanogen upgrade, no linux vm I have on OSX/VMWare can enumerate the phone over USB. This is a very common problem as revealed by any search. On the one linux box I have, the phone is enumerated as a USB storage. There may be some setting I need to reset ... but that box, having been turned off since april, seems to have decided it can't do wifi more ... so, that's not an option at present! I did try downloading the android sdk on a clean vmware-based linux platform. No fastboot in there. So far the only fastboot I have is the one I built from source during android bootcamp. You can NOT install inferno from anything but Linux. There are a few linux tool dependencies in th scripts that can not be satisfied (yet) on a mac. I am going to see what is possible. I continue to be amused that all these Java write once run everywhere environments always come with a huge stack of this CPU, this OS, this version programs without which they can not function. Hmm. All I need with inferno is emu. Maybe inferno can teach them some things :-) Finally, it's a linux phone: I keep thinking I ought to be able to do the install scripts on the phone, not on some other box and download them. If I can figure out where to plug in an SD card -- it claims to have one! -- I might just give that a go. ron
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On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 09:29 -0700, ron minnich wrote: If I can figure out where to plug in an SD card -- it claims to have one! -- I might just give that a go. The MicroSD slot in my Droid X is hidden under the battery fwiw.
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On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Wes Kussmaul w...@authentrus.com wrote: On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 09:29 -0700, ron minnich wrote: If I can figure out where to plug in an SD card -- it claims to have one! -- I might just give that a go. The MicroSD slot in my Droid X is hidden under the battery fwiw. There's not actually an SD card in the Nexus S, it's apparently just onboard flash made to look like one. John
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 3:46 PM, andrey mirtchovski mirtchov...@gmail.com wrote: John, turn a camera on and film the phone while using it, please! Terrible video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF_-jQc53jw Some screenshots are available at https://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/wiki/Home John
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 9:29 AM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: OK, more data this morning. Since the cyanogen upgrade, no linux vm I have on OSX/VMWare can enumerate the phone over USB. This is a very common problem as revealed by any search. On the one linux box I have, the phone is enumerated as a USB storage. There may be some setting I need to reset ... but that box, having been turned off since april, seems to have decided it can't do wifi more ... so, that's not an option at present! I did try downloading the android sdk on a clean vmware-based linux platform. No fastboot in there. So far the only fastboot I have is the one I built from source during android bootcamp. You can NOT install inferno from anything but Linux. There are a few linux tool dependencies in th scripts that can not be satisfied (yet) on a mac. I am going to see what is possible. I continue to be amused that all these Java write once run everywhere environments always come with a huge stack of this CPU, this OS, this version programs without which they can not function. Hmm. All I need with inferno is emu. Maybe inferno can teach them some things :-) Finally, it's a linux phone: I keep thinking I ought to be able to do the install scripts on the phone, not on some other box and download them. If I can figure out where to plug in an SD card -- it claims to have one! -- I might just give that a go. If I'm understanding right, you have adb but not fastboot on Mac, right? As long as your phone is unlocked, you can still install inferno on the Nexus with just adb by manually flashing the boot partition. Once you've pushed everything over to /data/inferno, run the Reflash-Nexus-S.sh script. It should fail at the fastboot step, but that's fine. Reboot the phone into Cyanogen. Then, from the same folder as the Reflash-Nexus-S.sh script: $ adb shell mount -o remount,rw / $ adb push boot-inferno.img $ adb shell Now you'll be in an Android shell. android$ cat /proc/mtd This will hopefully give you a list of mtd devices and their names. We only care about the one called boot. android$ cat /dev/zero /dev/mtd/boot device from above The zeroing step may not be necessary, but I've never tried flashing the boot manually without it. android$ flash_image boot /boot-inferno.img Then reboot and it should work. If it's broken, the good news is it's nearly impossible to screw up the recovery partition. Boot into the bootloader by holding the power and volume up buttons, then enter the recovery mode and reinstall Cyanogen.
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 11:02 AM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: Terrible video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF_-jQc53jw Pretty good for being shot with a laptop webcam! I think incoming calls should be working, though, unless I screwed something up between last week and now (which is likely). The phone won't beep or anything when a call comes in, but if you open up the dialer application the status should say incoming (155) and the dial button should change to an answer button, etc. Side note: I'm attempting to port to my HTC Inspire and by far the biggest difficulty seems to be just getting the Android source to compile, especially since you have to rely on mirrors since the kernel.org attacks. I'm running into the USB enumeration errors as well.
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
joel, on osx, some scripts are not there. I was more concerned about this than the flash failures because I'm not sure what they do. sh: mkbootimg: command not found Where did your version of this one come from? It's nowhere on my machine. ron
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 1:26 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: joel, on osx, some scripts are not there. I was more concerned about this than the flash failures because I'm not sure what they do. sh: mkbootimg: command not found Where did your version of this one come from? It's nowhere on my machine. It comes from the full Android source. I guess it doesn't make sense for it to be in the SDK. The android git server is dead right now, but you can fetch a mirror of this specific sub-project at https://github.com/CyanogenMod/android_system_core/android_system_core. It's in system/core if you already have an Android source tree. The Android build system is a pain in general, but especially if you just want to build a specific executable, so from the cloned system_core tree: cd libmincrypt gcc -I../include/ -o sha.o -c sha.c mv sha.o ../mkbootimg/ gcc -I../include/ -o mkbootimg -c mkbootimg.c gcc -o mkbootimg mkbootimg.o sha.o should do it. Fastboot is in that tree too if you need a mac version.
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
It comes from the full Android source. I guess it doesn't make sense for it to be in the SDK. The android git server is dead right now, but you can fetch a mirror of this specific sub-project at https://github.com/CyanogenMod/android_system_core/android_system_core. URL correction: it's https://github.com/CyanogenMod/android_system_core.
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
Slight correction: git clone https://github.com/CyanogenMod/android_system_core cd android_system_core/ cd libmincrypt/ gcc -I../include/ -o sha.o -c sha.c mv sha.o ../mkbootimg/ cd ../mkbootimg/ gcc -I../include/ -c mkbootimg.c gcc -o mkbootimg mkbootimg.o sha.o Although most of you will get that. ron
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
A few corrections. $ adb shell mount -o remount,rw / $ adb push boot-inferno.img adb push work/boot-inferno.img /boot-inferno.img $ adb shell Now you'll be in an Android shell. android$ cat /proc/mtd This will hopefully give you a list of mtd devices and their names. We only care about the one called boot. android$ cat /dev/zero /dev/mtd/boot device from above The zeroing step may not be necessary, but I've never tried flashing the boot manually without it. It is hard to believe it is needed. The reason is the erase state of flash is all 1s, not all zeros. Cat'ing zeros onto the flash is probably not what you want: it corresponds to an all-bits-burned state, not an all-bits-cleared state. In this case when you the next step: android$ flash_image boot /boot-inferno.img The mtd driver will likely erase the flash (to all 1s!) and then burn it :-) Then reboot and it should work. android continues to work. But no inferno at present. I get the nice white screen, but if I touch it, well, it's blank after a bit. The parallel_push script did not work that well for me, I had to push dis/ by hand. I think it would be better to copy the tar file over and untar it -- would avoid mac silliness with case in the names, as well. Anyway, I'm booted. I've taken notes and will post them later. I think I'm still missing lots of stuff so I may just push the tar file and untar it. ron
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
OK, I just adb pushed the tar file over and untar'ed and things were more complete. So it's up on my nexus-s too. John, would recommend putting OSX and linux versions of fastboot and mkbootimg into the tar file or on the web page. I can tell it's inferno because I hit a button and get instant response. This is somewhat unlike the java-based experience, although of course I'm not about to stop using android for good ... just for most of the time :-) What would truly be interesting, since we don't need to reboot to switch modes, would be a button to do just that ... All right folks, it's there. Now it's time to contribute! You can see the limitations, and this is a very hackable system. Somebody want to write a gps device so I can cat my GPS coords and see if that creates a number I can dial :-) ron
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
the video shows the OS to be pretty snappy, John. thanks!
[9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
We would like to announce the availability of Inferno for Android phones. Because our slogan is If it ain't broke, break it, we decided to replace the Java stack on Android phones with Inferno. We've dubbed it the Hellaphone--it was originally Hellphone, to keep with the Inferno theme, but then we realized we're in Northern California and the change was obvious. The Hellaphone runs Inferno directly on top of the basic Linux layer provided by Android. We do not even allow the Java system to start. Instead, emu draws directly to the Linux framebuffer (thanks, Andrey, for the initial code!) and treats the touchscreen like a one-button mouse. Because the Java environment doesn't start, it only takes about 10 seconds to go from power off to a fully-booted Inferno environment. As of today, we have Inferno running on the Nexus S and the Nook Color. It should also run on the Android emulator, but we haven't tested that in a long time. The cell radio is supported, at least on the Nexus S (the only actual phone we've had), so you can make phone calls, send texts, and use the data network. The Inferno window manager has been re-worked with cell phone use in mind. Windows are automatically sized to fill the whole screen. The menu has been moved to the top and the menu items have been made significantly larger. Physical buttons on the phone are now used to do many common tasks: (these keys are for the Nexus S, different bindings are used for the Nook, which has different keys available) * Back: Close the current window * Menu: Toggle the onscreen keyboard * Home: Minimize the current window * Power: Turn off the screen * Power+Volume Up: Open the screen brightness widget * Power+Volume Down: Turn off the phone * Power+Home: Restart Inferno Installation is reasonably simple. You'll need the Android SDK (http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html), with the platform-tools package installed for the adb and fastboot utilities. We also strongly recommend installing CyanogenMod on your phone before proceeding--that's what we use to test. First, make absolutely sure you have the adb and fastboot commands in your path--see the previous paragraph regarding the SDK and try running adb to be sure. Download the tarball from http://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/downloads/hellaphone.tgz and unpack it in your root. You should end up with a /data/inferno directory (we put it there because of the Inferno build process). Then, go to the /data/inferno/android directory and run the Reflash-Nexus-S.sh script (assuming you have a Nexus S. Run Reflash-Nook-Color.sh if you have a Nook). This will automatically set up the phone to boot into either Inferno or the regular Java environment--during bootup, the screen will go solid white; if you touch the screen at this point, it will boot into the regular Android environment, otherwise it will timeout and go to Inferno. However, at this point you're not yet ready to boot into Inferno, so reboot the phone and touch the screen to go into the regular Android UI. The final task is to run the command cd /data/inferno; ./parallel-push.sh. Reboot, let it boot into Inferno, and you're ready to go. You can also clone the repository (http://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/) and build it yourself, but this is a significant effort. I do not recommend it if you wish to simply try the system, but if you want to do development you should get the repository. Disclaimer: If you break your phone, it's not our fault. Don't email us, don't come knocking on our door, and don't call us--oh wait, you won't be able to do that anyway, your phone is broken! Credit where credit is due: Ron Minnich came up with the initial idea--we've been kicking the idea of a Plan 9/Inferno phone around for years. Our summer interns, Joel Armstrong and Joshua Landgraf, did the lion's share of the work of making Inferno into a usable cell phone OS--no small feat, considering that neither had any Limbo or Inferno experience before the start of the summer! They re-wrote the UI, puzzled out the undocumented cell radio interface, figured out audio, worked to make Inferno more portable across phones, and generally figured out how to make Inferno and the Android kernel coexist peacefully. Andy Jones, another intern, also did some very early work with Android that helped us figure out the Android init process and how to build for Android. I took care of getting Inferno running on the phone in the first place and have been adding things occasionally since then. We would also like to thank Andrey Mirtchovski for providing the OLPC framebuffer code (which ported to the Android phones relatively easily), and of course Charles Forsyth for keeping the Inferno torch lit all these years (and helping me figure out some puzzling problems throughout the summer)!
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
impressive :) On Sep 17, 2011, at 12:23 AM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: We would like to announce the availability of Inferno for Android phones. Because our slogan is If it ain't broke, break it, we decided to replace the Java stack on Android phones with Inferno. We've dubbed it the Hellaphone--it was originally Hellphone, to keep with the Inferno theme, but then we realized we're in Northern California and the change was obvious. The Hellaphone runs Inferno directly on top of the basic Linux layer provided by Android. We do not even allow the Java system to start. Instead, emu draws directly to the Linux framebuffer (thanks, Andrey, for the initial code!) and treats the touchscreen like a one-button mouse. Because the Java environment doesn't start, it only takes about 10 seconds to go from power off to a fully-booted Inferno environment. As of today, we have Inferno running on the Nexus S and the Nook Color. It should also run on the Android emulator, but we haven't tested that in a long time. The cell radio is supported, at least on the Nexus S (the only actual phone we've had), so you can make phone calls, send texts, and use the data network. The Inferno window manager has been re-worked with cell phone use in mind. Windows are automatically sized to fill the whole screen. The menu has been moved to the top and the menu items have been made significantly larger. Physical buttons on the phone are now used to do many common tasks: (these keys are for the Nexus S, different bindings are used for the Nook, which has different keys available) * Back: Close the current window * Menu: Toggle the onscreen keyboard * Home: Minimize the current window * Power: Turn off the screen * Power+Volume Up: Open the screen brightness widget * Power+Volume Down: Turn off the phone * Power+Home: Restart Inferno Installation is reasonably simple. You'll need the Android SDK (http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html), with the platform-tools package installed for the adb and fastboot utilities. We also strongly recommend installing CyanogenMod on your phone before proceeding--that's what we use to test. First, make absolutely sure you have the adb and fastboot commands in your path--see the previous paragraph regarding the SDK and try running adb to be sure. Download the tarball from http://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/downloads/hellaphone.tgz and unpack it in your root. You should end up with a /data/inferno directory (we put it there because of the Inferno build process). Then, go to the /data/inferno/android directory and run the Reflash-Nexus-S.sh script (assuming you have a Nexus S. Run Reflash-Nook-Color.sh if you have a Nook). This will automatically set up the phone to boot into either Inferno or the regular Java environment--during bootup, the screen will go solid white; if you touch the screen at this point, it will boot into the regular Android environment, otherwise it will timeout and go to Inferno. However, at this point you're not yet ready to boot into Inferno, so reboot the phone and touch the screen to go into the regular Android UI. The final task is to run the command cd /data/inferno; ./parallel-push.sh. Reboot, let it boot into Inferno, and you're ready to go. You can also clone the repository (http://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/) and build it yourself, but this is a significant effort. I do not recommend it if you wish to simply try the system, but if you want to do development you should get the repository. Disclaimer: If you break your phone, it's not our fault. Don't email us, don't come knocking on our door, and don't call us--oh wait, you won't be able to do that anyway, your phone is broken! Credit where credit is due: Ron Minnich came up with the initial idea--we've been kicking the idea of a Plan 9/Inferno phone around for years. Our summer interns, Joel Armstrong and Joshua Landgraf, did the lion's share of the work of making Inferno into a usable cell phone OS--no small feat, considering that neither had any Limbo or Inferno experience before the start of the summer! They re-wrote the UI, puzzled out the undocumented cell radio interface, figured out audio, worked to make Inferno more portable across phones, and generally figured out how to make Inferno and the Android kernel coexist peacefully. Andy Jones, another intern, also did some very early work with Android that helped us figure out the Android init process and how to build for Android. I took care of getting Inferno running on the phone in the first place and have been adding things occasionally since then. We would also like to thank Andrey Mirtchovski for providing the OLPC framebuffer code (which ported to the Android phones relatively easily), and of course Charles Forsyth for keeping the Inferno torch lit all these years (and helping me figure out some puzzling problems throughout the
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
this is cool! On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 4:23 PM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: We would like to announce the availability of Inferno for Android phones. Because our slogan is If it ain't broke, break it, we decided to replace the Java stack on Android phones with Inferno. We've dubbed it the Hellaphone--it was originally Hellphone, to keep with the Inferno theme, but then we realized we're in Northern California and the change was obvious. The Hellaphone runs Inferno directly on top of the basic Linux layer provided by Android. We do not even allow the Java system to start. Instead, emu draws directly to the Linux framebuffer (thanks, Andrey, for the initial code!) and treats the touchscreen like a one-button mouse. Because the Java environment doesn't start, it only takes about 10 seconds to go from power off to a fully-booted Inferno environment. As of today, we have Inferno running on the Nexus S and the Nook Color. It should also run on the Android emulator, but we haven't tested that in a long time. The cell radio is supported, at least on the Nexus S (the only actual phone we've had), so you can make phone calls, send texts, and use the data network. The Inferno window manager has been re-worked with cell phone use in mind. Windows are automatically sized to fill the whole screen. The menu has been moved to the top and the menu items have been made significantly larger. Physical buttons on the phone are now used to do many common tasks: (these keys are for the Nexus S, different bindings are used for the Nook, which has different keys available) * Back: Close the current window * Menu: Toggle the onscreen keyboard * Home: Minimize the current window * Power: Turn off the screen * Power+Volume Up: Open the screen brightness widget * Power+Volume Down: Turn off the phone * Power+Home: Restart Inferno Installation is reasonably simple. You'll need the Android SDK (http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html), with the platform-tools package installed for the adb and fastboot utilities. We also strongly recommend installing CyanogenMod on your phone before proceeding--that's what we use to test. First, make absolutely sure you have the adb and fastboot commands in your path--see the previous paragraph regarding the SDK and try running adb to be sure. Download the tarball from http://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/downloads/hellaphone.tgz and unpack it in your root. You should end up with a /data/inferno directory (we put it there because of the Inferno build process). Then, go to the /data/inferno/android directory and run the Reflash-Nexus-S.sh script (assuming you have a Nexus S. Run Reflash-Nook-Color.sh if you have a Nook). This will automatically set up the phone to boot into either Inferno or the regular Java environment--during bootup, the screen will go solid white; if you touch the screen at this point, it will boot into the regular Android environment, otherwise it will timeout and go to Inferno. However, at this point you're not yet ready to boot into Inferno, so reboot the phone and touch the screen to go into the regular Android UI. The final task is to run the command cd /data/inferno; ./parallel-push.sh. Reboot, let it boot into Inferno, and you're ready to go. You can also clone the repository (http://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/) and build it yourself, but this is a significant effort. I do not recommend it if you wish to simply try the system, but if you want to do development you should get the repository. Disclaimer: If you break your phone, it's not our fault. Don't email us, don't come knocking on our door, and don't call us--oh wait, you won't be able to do that anyway, your phone is broken! Credit where credit is due: Ron Minnich came up with the initial idea--we've been kicking the idea of a Plan 9/Inferno phone around for years. Our summer interns, Joel Armstrong and Joshua Landgraf, did the lion's share of the work of making Inferno into a usable cell phone OS--no small feat, considering that neither had any Limbo or Inferno experience before the start of the summer! They re-wrote the UI, puzzled out the undocumented cell radio interface, figured out audio, worked to make Inferno more portable across phones, and generally figured out how to make Inferno and the Android kernel coexist peacefully. Andy Jones, another intern, also did some very early work with Android that helped us figure out the Android init process and how to build for Android. I took care of getting Inferno running on the phone in the first place and have been adding things occasionally since then. We would also like to thank Andrey Mirtchovski for providing the OLPC framebuffer code (which ported to the Android phones relatively easily), and of course Charles Forsyth for keeping the Inferno torch lit all these years (and helping me figure out some puzzling problems throughout the summer)!
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
Brilliant. Any idea how much work it would be to adapt that for the nokia n900? (runs maemo linux as native OS, or an half-assed android -nitdroid- with some hackery.) On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 12:32 AM, andrey mirtchovski mirtchov...@gmail.com wrote: this is cool! On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 4:23 PM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: We would like to announce the availability of Inferno for Android phones. Because our slogan is If it ain't broke, break it, we decided to replace the Java stack on Android phones with Inferno. We've dubbed it the Hellaphone--it was originally Hellphone, to keep with the Inferno theme, but then we realized we're in Northern California and the change was obvious. The Hellaphone runs Inferno directly on top of the basic Linux layer provided by Android. We do not even allow the Java system to start. Instead, emu draws directly to the Linux framebuffer (thanks, Andrey, for the initial code!) and treats the touchscreen like a one-button mouse. Because the Java environment doesn't start, it only takes about 10 seconds to go from power off to a fully-booted Inferno environment. As of today, we have Inferno running on the Nexus S and the Nook Color. It should also run on the Android emulator, but we haven't tested that in a long time. The cell radio is supported, at least on the Nexus S (the only actual phone we've had), so you can make phone calls, send texts, and use the data network. The Inferno window manager has been re-worked with cell phone use in mind. Windows are automatically sized to fill the whole screen. The menu has been moved to the top and the menu items have been made significantly larger. Physical buttons on the phone are now used to do many common tasks: (these keys are for the Nexus S, different bindings are used for the Nook, which has different keys available) * Back: Close the current window * Menu: Toggle the onscreen keyboard * Home: Minimize the current window * Power: Turn off the screen * Power+Volume Up: Open the screen brightness widget * Power+Volume Down: Turn off the phone * Power+Home: Restart Inferno Installation is reasonably simple. You'll need the Android SDK (http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html), with the platform-tools package installed for the adb and fastboot utilities. We also strongly recommend installing CyanogenMod on your phone before proceeding--that's what we use to test. First, make absolutely sure you have the adb and fastboot commands in your path--see the previous paragraph regarding the SDK and try running adb to be sure. Download the tarball from http://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/downloads/hellaphone.tgz and unpack it in your root. You should end up with a /data/inferno directory (we put it there because of the Inferno build process). Then, go to the /data/inferno/android directory and run the Reflash-Nexus-S.sh script (assuming you have a Nexus S. Run Reflash-Nook-Color.sh if you have a Nook). This will automatically set up the phone to boot into either Inferno or the regular Java environment--during bootup, the screen will go solid white; if you touch the screen at this point, it will boot into the regular Android environment, otherwise it will timeout and go to Inferno. However, at this point you're not yet ready to boot into Inferno, so reboot the phone and touch the screen to go into the regular Android UI. The final task is to run the command cd /data/inferno; ./parallel-push.sh. Reboot, let it boot into Inferno, and you're ready to go. You can also clone the repository (http://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/) and build it yourself, but this is a significant effort. I do not recommend it if you wish to simply try the system, but if you want to do development you should get the repository. Disclaimer: If you break your phone, it's not our fault. Don't email us, don't come knocking on our door, and don't call us--oh wait, you won't be able to do that anyway, your phone is broken! Credit where credit is due: Ron Minnich came up with the initial idea--we've been kicking the idea of a Plan 9/Inferno phone around for years. Our summer interns, Joel Armstrong and Joshua Landgraf, did the lion's share of the work of making Inferno into a usable cell phone OS--no small feat, considering that neither had any Limbo or Inferno experience before the start of the summer! They re-wrote the UI, puzzled out the undocumented cell radio interface, figured out audio, worked to make Inferno more portable across phones, and generally figured out how to make Inferno and the Android kernel coexist peacefully. Andy Jones, another intern, also did some very early work with Android that helped us figure out the Android init process and how to build for Android. I took care of getting Inferno running on the phone in the first place and have been adding things occasionally since then. We would also like to thank Andrey Mirtchovski for
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
A pretty good week for 9fans! Grats all involved! Paul On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 3:32 PM, andrey mirtchovski mirtchov...@gmail.comwrote: this is cool! On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 4:23 PM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: We would like to announce the availability of Inferno for Android phones. Because our slogan is If it ain't broke, break it, we decided to replace the Java stack on Android phones with Inferno. We've dubbed it the Hellaphone--it was originally Hellphone, to keep with the Inferno theme, but then we realized we're in Northern California and the change was obvious. The Hellaphone runs Inferno directly on top of the basic Linux layer provided by Android. We do not even allow the Java system to start. Instead, emu draws directly to the Linux framebuffer (thanks, Andrey, for the initial code!) and treats the touchscreen like a one-button mouse. Because the Java environment doesn't start, it only takes about 10 seconds to go from power off to a fully-booted Inferno environment. As of today, we have Inferno running on the Nexus S and the Nook Color. It should also run on the Android emulator, but we haven't tested that in a long time. The cell radio is supported, at least on the Nexus S (the only actual phone we've had), so you can make phone calls, send texts, and use the data network. The Inferno window manager has been re-worked with cell phone use in mind. Windows are automatically sized to fill the whole screen. The menu has been moved to the top and the menu items have been made significantly larger. Physical buttons on the phone are now used to do many common tasks: (these keys are for the Nexus S, different bindings are used for the Nook, which has different keys available) * Back: Close the current window * Menu: Toggle the onscreen keyboard * Home: Minimize the current window * Power: Turn off the screen * Power+Volume Up: Open the screen brightness widget * Power+Volume Down: Turn off the phone * Power+Home: Restart Inferno Installation is reasonably simple. You'll need the Android SDK (http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html), with the platform-tools package installed for the adb and fastboot utilities. We also strongly recommend installing CyanogenMod on your phone before proceeding--that's what we use to test. First, make absolutely sure you have the adb and fastboot commands in your path--see the previous paragraph regarding the SDK and try running adb to be sure. Download the tarball from http://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/downloads/hellaphone.tgz and unpack it in your root. You should end up with a /data/inferno directory (we put it there because of the Inferno build process). Then, go to the /data/inferno/android directory and run the Reflash-Nexus-S.sh script (assuming you have a Nexus S. Run Reflash-Nook-Color.sh if you have a Nook). This will automatically set up the phone to boot into either Inferno or the regular Java environment--during bootup, the screen will go solid white; if you touch the screen at this point, it will boot into the regular Android environment, otherwise it will timeout and go to Inferno. However, at this point you're not yet ready to boot into Inferno, so reboot the phone and touch the screen to go into the regular Android UI. The final task is to run the command cd /data/inferno; ./parallel-push.sh. Reboot, let it boot into Inferno, and you're ready to go. You can also clone the repository (http://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/) and build it yourself, but this is a significant effort. I do not recommend it if you wish to simply try the system, but if you want to do development you should get the repository. Disclaimer: If you break your phone, it's not our fault. Don't email us, don't come knocking on our door, and don't call us--oh wait, you won't be able to do that anyway, your phone is broken! Credit where credit is due: Ron Minnich came up with the initial idea--we've been kicking the idea of a Plan 9/Inferno phone around for years. Our summer interns, Joel Armstrong and Joshua Landgraf, did the lion's share of the work of making Inferno into a usable cell phone OS--no small feat, considering that neither had any Limbo or Inferno experience before the start of the summer! They re-wrote the UI, puzzled out the undocumented cell radio interface, figured out audio, worked to make Inferno more portable across phones, and generally figured out how to make Inferno and the Android kernel coexist peacefully. Andy Jones, another intern, also did some very early work with Android that helped us figure out the Android init process and how to build for Android. I took care of getting Inferno running on the phone in the first place and have been adding things occasionally since then. We would also like to thank Andrey Mirtchovski for providing the OLPC
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
I know absolutely nothing about the n900, but let me take a quick look at the wiki page. Ok, I'm thinking that the n900 seems much more of a pure Linux device than an Android phone--it runs a derivative of X, even. I think with probably rather minimal hacking, you could at least get Inferno running on it, hosted by Linux and displaying in X. The hard part would probably be talking to the cell radio. John On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Mathieu Lonjaret mathieu.lonja...@gmail.com wrote: Brilliant. Any idea how much work it would be to adapt that for the nokia n900? (runs maemo linux as native OS, or an half-assed android -nitdroid- with some hackery.) On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 12:32 AM, andrey mirtchovski mirtchov...@gmail.com wrote: this is cool! On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 4:23 PM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: We would like to announce the availability of Inferno for Android phones. Because our slogan is If it ain't broke, break it, we decided to replace the Java stack on Android phones with Inferno. We've dubbed it the Hellaphone--it was originally Hellphone, to keep with the Inferno theme, but then we realized we're in Northern California and the change was obvious. The Hellaphone runs Inferno directly on top of the basic Linux layer provided by Android. We do not even allow the Java system to start. Instead, emu draws directly to the Linux framebuffer (thanks, Andrey, for the initial code!) and treats the touchscreen like a one-button mouse. Because the Java environment doesn't start, it only takes about 10 seconds to go from power off to a fully-booted Inferno environment. As of today, we have Inferno running on the Nexus S and the Nook Color. It should also run on the Android emulator, but we haven't tested that in a long time. The cell radio is supported, at least on the Nexus S (the only actual phone we've had), so you can make phone calls, send texts, and use the data network. The Inferno window manager has been re-worked with cell phone use in mind. Windows are automatically sized to fill the whole screen. The menu has been moved to the top and the menu items have been made significantly larger. Physical buttons on the phone are now used to do many common tasks: (these keys are for the Nexus S, different bindings are used for the Nook, which has different keys available) * Back: Close the current window * Menu: Toggle the onscreen keyboard * Home: Minimize the current window * Power: Turn off the screen * Power+Volume Up: Open the screen brightness widget * Power+Volume Down: Turn off the phone * Power+Home: Restart Inferno Installation is reasonably simple. You'll need the Android SDK (http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html), with the platform-tools package installed for the adb and fastboot utilities. We also strongly recommend installing CyanogenMod on your phone before proceeding--that's what we use to test. First, make absolutely sure you have the adb and fastboot commands in your path--see the previous paragraph regarding the SDK and try running adb to be sure. Download the tarball from http://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/downloads/hellaphone.tgz and unpack it in your root. You should end up with a /data/inferno directory (we put it there because of the Inferno build process). Then, go to the /data/inferno/android directory and run the Reflash-Nexus-S.sh script (assuming you have a Nexus S. Run Reflash-Nook-Color.sh if you have a Nook). This will automatically set up the phone to boot into either Inferno or the regular Java environment--during bootup, the screen will go solid white; if you touch the screen at this point, it will boot into the regular Android environment, otherwise it will timeout and go to Inferno. However, at this point you're not yet ready to boot into Inferno, so reboot the phone and touch the screen to go into the regular Android UI. The final task is to run the command cd /data/inferno; ./parallel-push.sh. Reboot, let it boot into Inferno, and you're ready to go. You can also clone the repository (http://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/) and build it yourself, but this is a significant effort. I do not recommend it if you wish to simply try the system, but if you want to do development you should get the repository. Disclaimer: If you break your phone, it's not our fault. Don't email us, don't come knocking on our door, and don't call us--oh wait, you won't be able to do that anyway, your phone is broken! Credit where credit is due: Ron Minnich came up with the initial idea--we've been kicking the idea of a Plan 9/Inferno phone around for years. Our summer interns, Joel Armstrong and Joshua Landgraf, did the lion's share of the work of making Inferno into a usable cell phone OS--no small feat, considering that neither had any Limbo or Inferno experience before the start of the summer! They re-wrote the UI, puzzled out the undocumented cell radio
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
John, turn a camera on and film the phone while using it, please!
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
or some screenshots at least :) On Sep 17, 2011, at 12:46 AM, andrey mirtchovski mirtchov...@gmail.com wrote: John, turn a camera on and film the phone while using it, please!
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 3:46 PM, andrey mirtchovski mirtchov...@gmail.com wrote: John, turn a camera on and film the phone while using it, please! Unfortunately we can't use just any camera here at work... I'll see if I can get one of the officially blessed cameras, otherwise it'll have to wait until tonight/the weekend. We also don't have any SIM cards sitting around to test with at the moment--so I can show how to use the phone but won't be able to demonstrate a real phone call. I'll see what I can do, though. John
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
intense. good stuff. i have a source in china for cheap smartphones. might be worth ordering some inferno branded phones. brucee On 17 September 2011 08:23, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: We would like to announce the availability of Inferno for Android phones. Because our slogan is If it ain't broke, break it, we decided to replace the Java stack on Android phones with Inferno. We've dubbed it the Hellaphone--it was originally Hellphone, to keep with the Inferno theme, but then we realized we're in Northern California and the change was obvious. The Hellaphone runs Inferno directly on top of the basic Linux layer provided by Android. We do not even allow the Java system to start. Instead, emu draws directly to the Linux framebuffer (thanks, Andrey, for the initial code!) and treats the touchscreen like a one-button mouse. Because the Java environment doesn't start, it only takes about 10 seconds to go from power off to a fully-booted Inferno environment. As of today, we have Inferno running on the Nexus S and the Nook Color. It should also run on the Android emulator, but we haven't tested that in a long time. The cell radio is supported, at least on the Nexus S (the only actual phone we've had), so you can make phone calls, send texts, and use the data network. The Inferno window manager has been re-worked with cell phone use in mind. Windows are automatically sized to fill the whole screen. The menu has been moved to the top and the menu items have been made significantly larger. Physical buttons on the phone are now used to do many common tasks: (these keys are for the Nexus S, different bindings are used for the Nook, which has different keys available) * Back: Close the current window * Menu: Toggle the onscreen keyboard * Home: Minimize the current window * Power: Turn off the screen * Power+Volume Up: Open the screen brightness widget * Power+Volume Down: Turn off the phone * Power+Home: Restart Inferno Installation is reasonably simple. You'll need the Android SDK (http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html), with the platform-tools package installed for the adb and fastboot utilities. We also strongly recommend installing CyanogenMod on your phone before proceeding--that's what we use to test. First, make absolutely sure you have the adb and fastboot commands in your path--see the previous paragraph regarding the SDK and try running adb to be sure. Download the tarball from http://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/downloads/hellaphone.tgz and unpack it in your root. You should end up with a /data/inferno directory (we put it there because of the Inferno build process). Then, go to the /data/inferno/android directory and run the Reflash-Nexus-S.sh script (assuming you have a Nexus S. Run Reflash-Nook-Color.sh if you have a Nook). This will automatically set up the phone to boot into either Inferno or the regular Java environment--during bootup, the screen will go solid white; if you touch the screen at this point, it will boot into the regular Android environment, otherwise it will timeout and go to Inferno. However, at this point you're not yet ready to boot into Inferno, so reboot the phone and touch the screen to go into the regular Android UI. The final task is to run the command cd /data/inferno; ./parallel-push.sh. Reboot, let it boot into Inferno, and you're ready to go. You can also clone the repository (http://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/) and build it yourself, but this is a significant effort. I do not recommend it if you wish to simply try the system, but if you want to do development you should get the repository. Disclaimer: If you break your phone, it's not our fault. Don't email us, don't come knocking on our door, and don't call us--oh wait, you won't be able to do that anyway, your phone is broken! Credit where credit is due: Ron Minnich came up with the initial idea--we've been kicking the idea of a Plan 9/Inferno phone around for years. Our summer interns, Joel Armstrong and Joshua Landgraf, did the lion's share of the work of making Inferno into a usable cell phone OS--no small feat, considering that neither had any Limbo or Inferno experience before the start of the summer! They re-wrote the UI, puzzled out the undocumented cell radio interface, figured out audio, worked to make Inferno more portable across phones, and generally figured out how to make Inferno and the Android kernel coexist peacefully. Andy Jones, another intern, also did some very early work with Android that helped us figure out the Android init process and how to build for Android. I took care of getting Inferno running on the phone in the first place and have been adding things occasionally since then. We would also like to thank Andrey Mirtchovski for providing the OLPC framebuffer code (which ported to the Android phones relatively easily), and of course Charles Forsyth for keeping the
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Bruce Ellis bruce.el...@gmail.com wrote: intense. good stuff. i have a source in china for cheap smartphones. might be worth ordering some inferno branded phones. would be fun, but wow these nexus s with amoled displays are so pretty! But yeah cheap iPhones -- the original name, but some folks took it -- would be cool. ron
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
You guys rock! On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 6:23 PM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: We would like to announce the availability of Inferno for Android phones. Because our slogan is If it ain't broke, break it, we decided to replace the Java stack on Android phones with Inferno. We've dubbed it the Hellaphone--it was originally Hellphone, to keep with the Inferno theme, but then we realized we're in Northern California and the change was obvious. The Hellaphone runs Inferno directly on top of the basic Linux layer provided by Android. We do not even allow the Java system to start. Instead, emu draws directly to the Linux framebuffer (thanks, Andrey, for the initial code!) and treats the touchscreen like a one-button mouse. Because the Java environment doesn't start, it only takes about 10 seconds to go from power off to a fully-booted Inferno environment. As of today, we have Inferno running on the Nexus S and the Nook Color. It should also run on the Android emulator, but we haven't tested that in a long time. The cell radio is supported, at least on the Nexus S (the only actual phone we've had), so you can make phone calls, send texts, and use the data network. The Inferno window manager has been re-worked with cell phone use in mind. Windows are automatically sized to fill the whole screen. The menu has been moved to the top and the menu items have been made significantly larger. Physical buttons on the phone are now used to do many common tasks: (these keys are for the Nexus S, different bindings are used for the Nook, which has different keys available) * Back: Close the current window * Menu: Toggle the onscreen keyboard * Home: Minimize the current window * Power: Turn off the screen * Power+Volume Up: Open the screen brightness widget * Power+Volume Down: Turn off the phone * Power+Home: Restart Inferno Installation is reasonably simple. You'll need the Android SDK (http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html), with the platform-tools package installed for the adb and fastboot utilities. We also strongly recommend installing CyanogenMod on your phone before proceeding--that's what we use to test. First, make absolutely sure you have the adb and fastboot commands in your path--see the previous paragraph regarding the SDK and try running adb to be sure. Download the tarball from http://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/downloads/hellaphone.tgz and unpack it in your root. You should end up with a /data/inferno directory (we put it there because of the Inferno build process). Then, go to the /data/inferno/android directory and run the Reflash-Nexus-S.sh script (assuming you have a Nexus S. Run Reflash-Nook-Color.sh if you have a Nook). This will automatically set up the phone to boot into either Inferno or the regular Java environment--during bootup, the screen will go solid white; if you touch the screen at this point, it will boot into the regular Android environment, otherwise it will timeout and go to Inferno. However, at this point you're not yet ready to boot into Inferno, so reboot the phone and touch the screen to go into the regular Android UI. The final task is to run the command cd /data/inferno; ./parallel-push.sh. Reboot, let it boot into Inferno, and you're ready to go. You can also clone the repository (http://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/) and build it yourself, but this is a significant effort. I do not recommend it if you wish to simply try the system, but if you want to do development you should get the repository. Disclaimer: If you break your phone, it's not our fault. Don't email us, don't come knocking on our door, and don't call us--oh wait, you won't be able to do that anyway, your phone is broken! Credit where credit is due: Ron Minnich came up with the initial idea--we've been kicking the idea of a Plan 9/Inferno phone around for years. Our summer interns, Joel Armstrong and Joshua Landgraf, did the lion's share of the work of making Inferno into a usable cell phone OS--no small feat, considering that neither had any Limbo or Inferno experience before the start of the summer! They re-wrote the UI, puzzled out the undocumented cell radio interface, figured out audio, worked to make Inferno more portable across phones, and generally figured out how to make Inferno and the Android kernel coexist peacefully. Andy Jones, another intern, also did some very early work with Android that helped us figure out the Android init process and how to build for Android. I took care of getting Inferno running on the phone in the first place and have been adding things occasionally since then. We would also like to thank Andrey Mirtchovski for providing the OLPC framebuffer code (which ported to the Android phones relatively easily), and of course Charles Forsyth for keeping the Inferno torch lit all these years (and helping me figure out some puzzling problems throughout the summer)!
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
One caveat that I just came across: If you're trying to set up your phone from Mac OS X, it's quite possible that the case-insensitive filesystem will bite you. We have two directories at the same level, named android and Android. If you do an adb push from OS X, they'll both end up in a directory called android. Here's how you can fix it: (run adb shell) # mkdir /data/inferno/Android # mv /data/inferno/android/arm /data/inferno/Android/ There may be other problems lurking, but I'm pretty sure all of the stuff Inferno needs is all lowercase. John On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 3:23 PM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: We would like to announce the availability of Inferno for Android phones. Because our slogan is If it ain't broke, break it, we decided to replace the Java stack on Android phones with Inferno. We've dubbed it the Hellaphone--it was originally Hellphone, to keep with the Inferno theme, but then we realized we're in Northern California and the change was obvious. The Hellaphone runs Inferno directly on top of the basic Linux layer provided by Android. We do not even allow the Java system to start. Instead, emu draws directly to the Linux framebuffer (thanks, Andrey, for the initial code!) and treats the touchscreen like a one-button mouse. Because the Java environment doesn't start, it only takes about 10 seconds to go from power off to a fully-booted Inferno environment. As of today, we have Inferno running on the Nexus S and the Nook Color. It should also run on the Android emulator, but we haven't tested that in a long time. The cell radio is supported, at least on the Nexus S (the only actual phone we've had), so you can make phone calls, send texts, and use the data network. The Inferno window manager has been re-worked with cell phone use in mind. Windows are automatically sized to fill the whole screen. The menu has been moved to the top and the menu items have been made significantly larger. Physical buttons on the phone are now used to do many common tasks: (these keys are for the Nexus S, different bindings are used for the Nook, which has different keys available) * Back: Close the current window * Menu: Toggle the onscreen keyboard * Home: Minimize the current window * Power: Turn off the screen * Power+Volume Up: Open the screen brightness widget * Power+Volume Down: Turn off the phone * Power+Home: Restart Inferno Installation is reasonably simple. You'll need the Android SDK (http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html), with the platform-tools package installed for the adb and fastboot utilities. We also strongly recommend installing CyanogenMod on your phone before proceeding--that's what we use to test. First, make absolutely sure you have the adb and fastboot commands in your path--see the previous paragraph regarding the SDK and try running adb to be sure. Download the tarball from http://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/downloads/hellaphone.tgz and unpack it in your root. You should end up with a /data/inferno directory (we put it there because of the Inferno build process). Then, go to the /data/inferno/android directory and run the Reflash-Nexus-S.sh script (assuming you have a Nexus S. Run Reflash-Nook-Color.sh if you have a Nook). This will automatically set up the phone to boot into either Inferno or the regular Java environment--during bootup, the screen will go solid white; if you touch the screen at this point, it will boot into the regular Android environment, otherwise it will timeout and go to Inferno. However, at this point you're not yet ready to boot into Inferno, so reboot the phone and touch the screen to go into the regular Android UI. The final task is to run the command cd /data/inferno; ./parallel-push.sh. Reboot, let it boot into Inferno, and you're ready to go. You can also clone the repository (http://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/) and build it yourself, but this is a significant effort. I do not recommend it if you wish to simply try the system, but if you want to do development you should get the repository. Disclaimer: If you break your phone, it's not our fault. Don't email us, don't come knocking on our door, and don't call us--oh wait, you won't be able to do that anyway, your phone is broken! Credit where credit is due: Ron Minnich came up with the initial idea--we've been kicking the idea of a Plan 9/Inferno phone around for years. Our summer interns, Joel Armstrong and Joshua Landgraf, did the lion's share of the work of making Inferno into a usable cell phone OS--no small feat, considering that neither had any Limbo or Inferno experience before the start of the summer! They re-wrote the UI, puzzled out the undocumented cell radio interface, figured out audio, worked to make Inferno more portable across phones, and generally figured out how to make Inferno and the Android kernel coexist peacefully. Andy Jones, another intern, also did some
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
For all these plan9ish things on OSX I run a case-sensitive file-system in a file; just use the Disk Utility to make one and then mount it. I link mine into my home directory and use it for all case-sensitive apps. Paul Sent from my HTC Inspire™ 4G on ATT - Reply message - From: John Floren j...@jfloren.net To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs 9fans@9fans.net, inferno-l...@vitanuova.com Subject: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones Date: Fri, Sep 16, 2011 7:01 pm One caveat that I just came across: If you're trying to set up your phone from Mac OS X, it's quite possible that the case-insensitive filesystem will bite you. We have two directories at the same level, named android and Android. If you do an adb push from OS X, they'll both end up in a directory called android. Here's how you can fix it: (run adb shell) # mkdir /data/inferno/Android # mv /data/inferno/android/arm /data/inferno/Android/ There may be other problems lurking, but I'm pretty sure all of the stuff Inferno needs is all lowercase. John On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 3:23 PM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: We would like to announce the availability of Inferno for Android phones. Because our slogan is If it ain't broke, break it, we decided to replace the Java stack on Android phones with Inferno. We've dubbed it the Hellaphone--it was originally Hellphone, to keep with the Inferno theme, but then we realized we're in Northern California and the change was obvious. The Hellaphone runs Inferno directly on top of the basic Linux layer provided by Android. We do not even allow the Java system to start. Instead, emu draws directly to the Linux framebuffer (thanks, Andrey, for the initial code!) and treats the touchscreen like a one-button mouse. Because the Java environment doesn't start, it only takes about 10 seconds to go from power off to a fully-booted Inferno environment. As of today, we have Inferno running on the Nexus S and the Nook Color. It should also run on the Android emulator, but we haven't tested that in a long time. The cell radio is supported, at least on the Nexus S (the only actual phone we've had), so you can make phone calls, send texts, and use the data network. The Inferno window manager has been re-worked with cell phone use in mind. Windows are automatically sized to fill the whole screen. The menu has been moved to the top and the menu items have been made significantly larger. Physical buttons on the phone are now used to do many common tasks: (these keys are for the Nexus S, different bindings are used for the Nook, which has different keys available) * Back: Close the current window * Menu: Toggle the onscreen keyboard * Home: Minimize the current window * Power: Turn off the screen * Power+Volume Up: Open the screen brightness widget * Power+Volume Down: Turn off the phone * Power+Home: Restart Inferno Installation is reasonably simple. You'll need the Android SDK (http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html), with the platform-tools package installed for the adb and fastboot utilities. We also strongly recommend installing CyanogenMod on your phone before proceeding--that's what we use to test. First, make absolutely sure you have the adb and fastboot commands in your path--see the previous paragraph regarding the SDK and try running adb to be sure. Download the tarball from http://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/downloads/hellaphone.tgz and unpack it in your root. You should end up with a /data/inferno directory (we put it there because of the Inferno build process). Then, go to the /data/inferno/android directory and run the Reflash-Nexus-S.sh script (assuming you have a Nexus S. Run Reflash-Nook-Color.sh if you have a Nook). This will automatically set up the phone to boot into either Inferno or the regular Java environment--during bootup, the screen will go solid white; if you touch the screen at this point, it will boot into the regular Android environment, otherwise it will timeout and go to Inferno. However, at this point you're not yet ready to boot into Inferno, so reboot the phone and touch the screen to go into the regular Android UI. The final task is to run the command cd /data/inferno; ./parallel-push.sh. Reboot, let it boot into Inferno, and you're ready to go. You can also clone the repository (http://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/) and build it yourself, but this is a significant effort. I do not recommend it if you wish to simply try the system, but if you want to do development you should get the repository. Disclaimer: If you break your phone, it's not our fault. Don't email us, don't come knocking on our door, and don't call us--oh wait, you won't be able to do that anyway, your phone is broken! Credit where credit is due: Ron Minnich came up with the initial idea--we've been kicking the idea of a Plan 9/Inferno phone around for years. Our summer interns, Joel
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
How difficult is it to get specs and port this to other android devices? I'd love to run this on my motorola droid if I could get all the radios working. --dho (via said droid) On Sep 16, 2011 10:25 PM, paul.a.lalo...@gmail.com paul.a.lalo...@gmail.com wrote: For all these plan9ish things on OSX I run a case-sensitive file-system in a file; just use the Disk Utility to make one and then mount it. I link mine into my home directory and use it for all case-sensitive apps. Paul Sent from my HTC Inspire™ 4G on ATT - Reply message - From: John Floren j...@jfloren.net To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs 9fans@9fans.net, inferno-l...@vitanuova.com Subject: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones Date: Fri, Sep 16, 2011 7:01 pm One caveat that I just came across: If you're trying to set up your phone from Mac OS X, it's quite possible that the case-insensitive filesystem will bite you. We have two directories at the same level, named android and Android. If you do an adb push from OS X, they'll both end up in a directory called android. Here's how you can fix it: (run adb shell) # mkdir /data/inferno/Android # mv /data/inferno/android/arm /data/inferno/Android/ There may be other problems lurking, but I'm pretty sure all of the stuff Inferno needs is all lowercase. John On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 3:23 PM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: We would like to announce the availability of Inferno for Android phones. Because our slogan is If it ain't broke, break it, we decided to replace the Java stack on Android phones with Inferno. We've dubbed it the Hellaphone--it was originally Hellphone, to keep with the Inferno theme, but then we realized we're in Northern California and the change was obvious. The Hellaphone runs Inferno directly on top of the basic Linux layer provided by Android. We do not even allow the Java system to start. Instead, emu draws directly to the Linux framebuffer (thanks, Andrey, for the initial code!) and treats the touchscreen like a one-button mouse. Because the Java environment doesn't start, it only takes about 10 seconds to go from power off to a fully-booted Inferno environment. As of today, we have Inferno running on the Nexus S and the Nook Color. It should also run on the Android emulator, but we haven't tested that in a long time. The cell radio is supported, at least on the Nexus S (the only actual phone we've had), so you can make phone calls, send texts, and use the data network. The Inferno window manager has been re-worked with cell phone use in mind. Windows are automatically sized to fill the whole screen. The menu has been moved to the top and the menu items have been made significantly larger. Physical buttons on the phone are now used to do many common tasks: (these keys are for the Nexus S, different bindings are used for the Nook, which has different keys available) * Back: Close the current window * Menu: Toggle the onscreen keyboard * Home: Minimize the current window * Power: Turn off the screen * Power+Volume Up: Open the screen brightness widget * Power+Volume Down: Turn off the phone * Power+Home: Restart Inferno Installation is reasonably simple. You'll need the Android SDK (http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html), with the platform-tools package installed for the adb and fastboot utilities. We also strongly recommend installing CyanogenMod on your phone before proceeding--that's what we use to test. First, make absolutely sure you have the adb and fastboot commands in your path--see the previous paragraph regarding the SDK and try running adb to be sure. Download the tarball from http://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/downloads/hellaphone.tgz and unpack it in your root. You should end up with a /data/inferno directory (we put it there because of the Inferno build process). Then, go to the /data/inferno/android directory and run the Reflash-Nexus-S.sh script (assuming you have a Nexus S. Run Reflash-Nook-Color.sh if you have a Nook). This will automatically set up the phone to boot into either Inferno or the regular Java environment--during bootup, the screen will go solid white; if you touch the screen at this point, it will boot into the regular Android environment, otherwise it will timeout and go to Inferno. However, at this point you're not yet ready to boot into Inferno, so reboot the phone and touch the screen to go into the regular Android UI. The final task is to run the command cd /data/inferno; ./parallel-push.sh. Reboot, let it boot into Inferno, and you're ready to go. You can also clone the repository (http://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/) and build it yourself, but this is a significant effort. I do not recommend it if you wish to simply try the system, but if you want to do development you should get the repository. Disclaimer: If you break your phone, it's not our fault. Don't email us, don't come
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
We've only had one device with an actual radio in it, so we haven't been able to test on anything but the Nexus S, but there's probably a total of 100 lines of device-specific code. Mostly, you have to figure out: 1. The screen dimensions and the color depth 2. Which devices are for the touchscreen, which are for the buttons emu/port/main.c and emu/Android/screen.c contain all the device-specific code, I think. If there is any justice, the radio interface will be the same--we talk to rild, the radio daemon, rather than directly with the hardware. John On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 7:35 PM, Devon H. O'Dell devon.od...@gmail.com wrote: How difficult is it to get specs and port this to other android devices? I'd love to run this on my motorola droid if I could get all the radios working. --dho (via said droid) On Sep 16, 2011 10:25 PM, paul.a.lalo...@gmail.com paul.a.lalo...@gmail.com wrote: For all these plan9ish things on OSX I run a case-sensitive file-system in a file; just use the Disk Utility to make one and then mount it. I link mine into my home directory and use it for all case-sensitive apps. Paul Sent from my HTC Inspire™ 4G on ATT - Reply message - From: John Floren j...@jfloren.net To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs 9fans@9fans.net, inferno-l...@vitanuova.com Subject: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones Date: Fri, Sep 16, 2011 7:01 pm One caveat that I just came across: If you're trying to set up your phone from Mac OS X, it's quite possible that the case-insensitive filesystem will bite you. We have two directories at the same level, named android and Android. If you do an adb push from OS X, they'll both end up in a directory called android. Here's how you can fix it: (run adb shell) # mkdir /data/inferno/Android # mv /data/inferno/android/arm /data/inferno/Android/ There may be other problems lurking, but I'm pretty sure all of the stuff Inferno needs is all lowercase. John On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 3:23 PM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: We would like to announce the availability of Inferno for Android phones. Because our slogan is If it ain't broke, break it, we decided to replace the Java stack on Android phones with Inferno. We've dubbed it the Hellaphone--it was originally Hellphone, to keep with the Inferno theme, but then we realized we're in Northern California and the change was obvious. The Hellaphone runs Inferno directly on top of the basic Linux layer provided by Android. We do not even allow the Java system to start. Instead, emu draws directly to the Linux framebuffer (thanks, Andrey, for the initial code!) and treats the touchscreen like a one-button mouse. Because the Java environment doesn't start, it only takes about 10 seconds to go from power off to a fully-booted Inferno environment. As of today, we have Inferno running on the Nexus S and the Nook Color. It should also run on the Android emulator, but we haven't tested that in a long time. The cell radio is supported, at least on the Nexus S (the only actual phone we've had), so you can make phone calls, send texts, and use the data network. The Inferno window manager has been re-worked with cell phone use in mind. Windows are automatically sized to fill the whole screen. The menu has been moved to the top and the menu items have been made significantly larger. Physical buttons on the phone are now used to do many common tasks: (these keys are for the Nexus S, different bindings are used for the Nook, which has different keys available) * Back: Close the current window * Menu: Toggle the onscreen keyboard * Home: Minimize the current window * Power: Turn off the screen * Power+Volume Up: Open the screen brightness widget * Power+Volume Down: Turn off the phone * Power+Home: Restart Inferno Installation is reasonably simple. You'll need the Android SDK (http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html), with the platform-tools package installed for the adb and fastboot utilities. We also strongly recommend installing CyanogenMod on your phone before proceeding--that's what we use to test. First, make absolutely sure you have the adb and fastboot commands in your path--see the previous paragraph regarding the SDK and try running adb to be sure. Download the tarball from http://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/downloads/hellaphone.tgz and unpack it in your root. You should end up with a /data/inferno directory (we put it there because of the Inferno build process). Then, go to the /data/inferno/android directory and run the Reflash-Nexus-S.sh script (assuming you have a Nexus S. Run Reflash-Nook-Color.sh if you have a Nook). This will automatically set up the phone to boot into either Inferno or the regular Java environment--during bootup, the screen will go solid white; if you touch the screen at this point, it will boot into the regular Android environment, otherwise it will timeout
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
One Inferno phone I have from China has two sims and a TV receiver. And DIY documentation. brucee On 17 September 2011 12:40, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: We've only had one device with an actual radio in it, so we haven't been able to test on anything but the Nexus S, but there's probably a total of 100 lines of device-specific code. Mostly, you have to figure out: 1. The screen dimensions and the color depth 2. Which devices are for the touchscreen, which are for the buttons emu/port/main.c and emu/Android/screen.c contain all the device-specific code, I think. If there is any justice, the radio interface will be the same--we talk to rild, the radio daemon, rather than directly with the hardware. John On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 7:35 PM, Devon H. O'Dell devon.od...@gmail.com wrote: How difficult is it to get specs and port this to other android devices? I'd love to run this on my motorola droid if I could get all the radios working. --dho (via said droid) On Sep 16, 2011 10:25 PM, paul.a.lalo...@gmail.com paul.a.lalo...@gmail.com wrote: For all these plan9ish things on OSX I run a case-sensitive file-system in a file; just use the Disk Utility to make one and then mount it. I link mine into my home directory and use it for all case-sensitive apps. Paul Sent from my HTC Inspire™ 4G on ATT - Reply message - From: John Floren j...@jfloren.net To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs 9fans@9fans.net, inferno-l...@vitanuova.com Subject: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones Date: Fri, Sep 16, 2011 7:01 pm One caveat that I just came across: If you're trying to set up your phone from Mac OS X, it's quite possible that the case-insensitive filesystem will bite you. We have two directories at the same level, named android and Android. If you do an adb push from OS X, they'll both end up in a directory called android. Here's how you can fix it: (run adb shell) # mkdir /data/inferno/Android # mv /data/inferno/android/arm /data/inferno/Android/ There may be other problems lurking, but I'm pretty sure all of the stuff Inferno needs is all lowercase. John On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 3:23 PM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: We would like to announce the availability of Inferno for Android phones. Because our slogan is If it ain't broke, break it, we decided to replace the Java stack on Android phones with Inferno. We've dubbed it the Hellaphone--it was originally Hellphone, to keep with the Inferno theme, but then we realized we're in Northern California and the change was obvious. The Hellaphone runs Inferno directly on top of the basic Linux layer provided by Android. We do not even allow the Java system to start. Instead, emu draws directly to the Linux framebuffer (thanks, Andrey, for the initial code!) and treats the touchscreen like a one-button mouse. Because the Java environment doesn't start, it only takes about 10 seconds to go from power off to a fully-booted Inferno environment. As of today, we have Inferno running on the Nexus S and the Nook Color. It should also run on the Android emulator, but we haven't tested that in a long time. The cell radio is supported, at least on the Nexus S (the only actual phone we've had), so you can make phone calls, send texts, and use the data network. The Inferno window manager has been re-worked with cell phone use in mind. Windows are automatically sized to fill the whole screen. The menu has been moved to the top and the menu items have been made significantly larger. Physical buttons on the phone are now used to do many common tasks: (these keys are for the Nexus S, different bindings are used for the Nook, which has different keys available) * Back: Close the current window * Menu: Toggle the onscreen keyboard * Home: Minimize the current window * Power: Turn off the screen * Power+Volume Up: Open the screen brightness widget * Power+Volume Down: Turn off the phone * Power+Home: Restart Inferno Installation is reasonably simple. You'll need the Android SDK (http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html), with the platform-tools package installed for the adb and fastboot utilities. We also strongly recommend installing CyanogenMod on your phone before proceeding--that's what we use to test. First, make absolutely sure you have the adb and fastboot commands in your path--see the previous paragraph regarding the SDK and try running adb to be sure. Download the tarball from http://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/downloads/hellaphone.tgz and unpack it in your root. You should end up with a /data/inferno directory (we put it there because of the Inferno build process). Then, go to the /data/inferno/android directory and run the Reflash-Nexus-S.sh script (assuming you have a Nexus S. Run Reflash-Nook-Color.sh if you have a Nook). This will automatically set up the phone to boot into either Inferno or the regular Java
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
By the way, it's pretty easy to try things out while the phone is running. Just push over /data/inferno, then you should be able to do something like this: % stop zygote # this kills off the java UI % /data/inferno/Android/arm/bin/emu-g ; wm/wm The README.android file should tell you all you need to know about managing the radio. Oh, and if you use the network, it's a good idea to do a setprop net.dns1 8.8.8.8 (at the Android prompt, not in Inferno) first, otherwise DNS doesn't seem to work right. When you're sick of testing inferno, just Ctrl-C the process and run start zygote. I've found a few things that need to be fixed and will be working on them Monday. However, if you just want to get it running on your own phone, you should be able to do it. You'll need to have the full Android build environment set up, not just the SDK, and you'll need to have adb in your path. You may also need to put agcc (provided in the repo) into your path in order to actually build Inferno. I believe README.android has a summary of how to build Inferno yourself down at the bottom. John On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 7:40 PM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: We've only had one device with an actual radio in it, so we haven't been able to test on anything but the Nexus S, but there's probably a total of 100 lines of device-specific code. Mostly, you have to figure out: 1. The screen dimensions and the color depth 2. Which devices are for the touchscreen, which are for the buttons emu/port/main.c and emu/Android/screen.c contain all the device-specific code, I think. If there is any justice, the radio interface will be the same--we talk to rild, the radio daemon, rather than directly with the hardware. John On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 7:35 PM, Devon H. O'Dell devon.od...@gmail.com wrote: How difficult is it to get specs and port this to other android devices? I'd love to run this on my motorola droid if I could get all the radios working. --dho (via said droid) On Sep 16, 2011 10:25 PM, paul.a.lalo...@gmail.com paul.a.lalo...@gmail.com wrote: For all these plan9ish things on OSX I run a case-sensitive file-system in a file; just use the Disk Utility to make one and then mount it. I link mine into my home directory and use it for all case-sensitive apps. Paul Sent from my HTC Inspire™ 4G on ATT - Reply message - From: John Floren j...@jfloren.net To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs 9fans@9fans.net, inferno-l...@vitanuova.com Subject: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones Date: Fri, Sep 16, 2011 7:01 pm One caveat that I just came across: If you're trying to set up your phone from Mac OS X, it's quite possible that the case-insensitive filesystem will bite you. We have two directories at the same level, named android and Android. If you do an adb push from OS X, they'll both end up in a directory called android. Here's how you can fix it: (run adb shell) # mkdir /data/inferno/Android # mv /data/inferno/android/arm /data/inferno/Android/ There may be other problems lurking, but I'm pretty sure all of the stuff Inferno needs is all lowercase. John On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 3:23 PM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: We would like to announce the availability of Inferno for Android phones. Because our slogan is If it ain't broke, break it, we decided to replace the Java stack on Android phones with Inferno. We've dubbed it the Hellaphone--it was originally Hellphone, to keep with the Inferno theme, but then we realized we're in Northern California and the change was obvious. The Hellaphone runs Inferno directly on top of the basic Linux layer provided by Android. We do not even allow the Java system to start. Instead, emu draws directly to the Linux framebuffer (thanks, Andrey, for the initial code!) and treats the touchscreen like a one-button mouse. Because the Java environment doesn't start, it only takes about 10 seconds to go from power off to a fully-booted Inferno environment. As of today, we have Inferno running on the Nexus S and the Nook Color. It should also run on the Android emulator, but we haven't tested that in a long time. The cell radio is supported, at least on the Nexus S (the only actual phone we've had), so you can make phone calls, send texts, and use the data network. The Inferno window manager has been re-worked with cell phone use in mind. Windows are automatically sized to fill the whole screen. The menu has been moved to the top and the menu items have been made significantly larger. Physical buttons on the phone are now used to do many common tasks: (these keys are for the Nexus S, different bindings are used for the Nook, which has different keys available) * Back: Close the current window * Menu: Toggle the onscreen keyboard * Home: Minimize the current window * Power: Turn off the screen * Power+Volume Up: Open the screen brightness widget * Power+Volume Down: Turn off
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
did you stick with tk (seems so). a sad relic. brucee On 17 September 2011 12:46, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: By the way, it's pretty easy to try things out while the phone is running. Just push over /data/inferno, then you should be able to do something like this: % stop zygote # this kills off the java UI % /data/inferno/Android/arm/bin/emu-g ; wm/wm The README.android file should tell you all you need to know about managing the radio. Oh, and if you use the network, it's a good idea to do a setprop net.dns1 8.8.8.8 (at the Android prompt, not in Inferno) first, otherwise DNS doesn't seem to work right. When you're sick of testing inferno, just Ctrl-C the process and run start zygote. I've found a few things that need to be fixed and will be working on them Monday. However, if you just want to get it running on your own phone, you should be able to do it. You'll need to have the full Android build environment set up, not just the SDK, and you'll need to have adb in your path. You may also need to put agcc (provided in the repo) into your path in order to actually build Inferno. I believe README.android has a summary of how to build Inferno yourself down at the bottom. John On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 7:40 PM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: We've only had one device with an actual radio in it, so we haven't been able to test on anything but the Nexus S, but there's probably a total of 100 lines of device-specific code. Mostly, you have to figure out: 1. The screen dimensions and the color depth 2. Which devices are for the touchscreen, which are for the buttons emu/port/main.c and emu/Android/screen.c contain all the device-specific code, I think. If there is any justice, the radio interface will be the same--we talk to rild, the radio daemon, rather than directly with the hardware. John On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 7:35 PM, Devon H. O'Dell devon.od...@gmail.com wrote: How difficult is it to get specs and port this to other android devices? I'd love to run this on my motorola droid if I could get all the radios working. --dho (via said droid) On Sep 16, 2011 10:25 PM, paul.a.lalo...@gmail.com paul.a.lalo...@gmail.com wrote: For all these plan9ish things on OSX I run a case-sensitive file-system in a file; just use the Disk Utility to make one and then mount it. I link mine into my home directory and use it for all case-sensitive apps. Paul Sent from my HTC Inspire™ 4G on ATT - Reply message - From: John Floren j...@jfloren.net To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs 9fans@9fans.net, inferno-l...@vitanuova.com Subject: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones Date: Fri, Sep 16, 2011 7:01 pm One caveat that I just came across: If you're trying to set up your phone from Mac OS X, it's quite possible that the case-insensitive filesystem will bite you. We have two directories at the same level, named android and Android. If you do an adb push from OS X, they'll both end up in a directory called android. Here's how you can fix it: (run adb shell) # mkdir /data/inferno/Android # mv /data/inferno/android/arm /data/inferno/Android/ There may be other problems lurking, but I'm pretty sure all of the stuff Inferno needs is all lowercase. John On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 3:23 PM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: We would like to announce the availability of Inferno for Android phones. Because our slogan is If it ain't broke, break it, we decided to replace the Java stack on Android phones with Inferno. We've dubbed it the Hellaphone--it was originally Hellphone, to keep with the Inferno theme, but then we realized we're in Northern California and the change was obvious. The Hellaphone runs Inferno directly on top of the basic Linux layer provided by Android. We do not even allow the Java system to start. Instead, emu draws directly to the Linux framebuffer (thanks, Andrey, for the initial code!) and treats the touchscreen like a one-button mouse. Because the Java environment doesn't start, it only takes about 10 seconds to go from power off to a fully-booted Inferno environment. As of today, we have Inferno running on the Nexus S and the Nook Color. It should also run on the Android emulator, but we haven't tested that in a long time. The cell radio is supported, at least on the Nexus S (the only actual phone we've had), so you can make phone calls, send texts, and use the data network. The Inferno window manager has been re-worked with cell phone use in mind. Windows are automatically sized to fill the whole screen. The menu has been moved to the top and the menu items have been made significantly larger. Physical buttons on the phone are now used to do many common tasks: (these keys are for the Nexus S, different bindings are used for the Nook, which has different keys available) * Back: Close the current window * Menu: Toggle the onscreen keyboard * Home: Minimize
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Bruce Ellis bruce.el...@gmail.com wrote: did you stick with tk (seems so). a sad relic. you gotta start somewhere. The goal is to get this into people's hands and hope we make the hacking easy enough for people to do some things. btw the control of things is as you might expect, via commands echoed to ctl files. ron
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And the docs are the usual inaccurate awful android stuff. I'm struggling right now just to get the fastboot step done. These tools are just terrible, and the iffy descriptions don't help much. I guess the churn in the android tools is such that consistency is not the most visible result. I'm taking notes which I hope will help others. ron
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i enjoy working with a framebuffer. but i guess cause i have the code. the secret phone i worked on was inferno on top of plan9 (arm based). you could lazily run rio and grab the framebuffer that you get from /dev/screen for each window. the rendering code uses that thru rio. and the graphics manager (which they never got) ran on that. works well except i only have two of them and hardware is adhoc and bad, and most importantly the battery life is bad. i'm taking tiger for walkies so call it ... i'll give away the fb code, unless someone wants to pay for it (secret meeting in madrid). brucee On 17 September 2011 13:40, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: And the docs are the usual inaccurate awful android stuff. I'm struggling right now just to get the fastboot step done. These tools are just terrible, and the iffy descriptions don't help much. I guess the churn in the android tools is such that consistency is not the most visible result. I'm taking notes which I hope will help others. ron -- Don't meddle in the mouth -- MVS (0416935147, +1-513-3BRUCEE)
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 3:23 PM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: Installation is reasonably simple. You'll need the Android SDK (http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html), with the platform-tools package installed for the adb and fastboot utilities. I think things have changed since you started this work a while back -- hey, it's android, right? First off, my phone when turned on says 'fastboot mode'. Does this maybe mean it's already unlocked? It certainly doesn't match what the various sites say I should expect to see. It does indicate that it is locked, however. Second off, I just pulled this down: http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html (the mac version), patiently waited while I did a tools/android update sdk and got lots and lots and lots of stuff, but ... no fastboot. The link on this page http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/Fastboot goes to an HTC site -- is that really what I want for a samsung phone? Ah, ok, went to the linux tools and it's there. So, first step, everyone: in spite of the docs you see on many Android pages, you may not have fastboot on OSX. Just Linux. ron
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 9:24 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 3:23 PM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: Installation is reasonably simple. You'll need the Android SDK (http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html), with the platform-tools package installed for the adb and fastboot utilities. I think things have changed since you started this work a while back -- hey, it's android, right? First off, my phone when turned on says 'fastboot mode'. Does this maybe mean it's already unlocked? It certainly doesn't match what the various sites say I should expect to see. It does indicate that it is locked, however. Second off, I just pulled this down: http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html (the mac version), patiently waited while I did a tools/android update sdk and got lots and lots and lots of stuff, but ... no fastboot. The link on this page http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/Fastboot goes to an HTC site -- is that really what I want for a samsung phone? Ah, ok, went to the linux tools and it's there. So, first step, everyone: in spite of the docs you see on many Android pages, you may not have fastboot on OSX. Just Linux. ron We did all our development on Linux... had no idea fastboot doesn't ship with the SDK for OS X. And yeah, the link on the cyanogenmod wiki is outdated. Ugh. Just use Linux, guys :) I've looked around a bit but have not yet been able to find out where to download fastboot for OS X. John
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
Nice work! I plan to try it on a few android devices the first chance i get. BTW, my experience with the emulator at the api/dalvik level has given me confidence that if i can run it on the emulator (interacting with it using DDMS) i can run it on any device. -Skip On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 3:23 PM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: We would like to announce the availability of Inferno for Android phones. Because our slogan is If it ain't broke, break it, we decided to replace the Java stack on Android phones with Inferno. We've dubbed it the Hellaphone--it was originally Hellphone, to keep with the Inferno theme, but then we realized we're in Northern California and the change was obvious. The Hellaphone runs Inferno directly on top of the basic Linux layer provided by Android. We do not even allow the Java system to start. Instead, emu draws directly to the Linux framebuffer (thanks, Andrey, for the initial code!) and treats the touchscreen like a one-button mouse. Because the Java environment doesn't start, it only takes about 10 seconds to go from power off to a fully-booted Inferno environment. As of today, we have Inferno running on the Nexus S and the Nook Color. It should also run on the Android emulator, but we haven't tested that in a long time. The cell radio is supported, at least on the Nexus S (the only actual phone we've had), so you can make phone calls, send texts, and use the data network. The Inferno window manager has been re-worked with cell phone use in mind. Windows are automatically sized to fill the whole screen. The menu has been moved to the top and the menu items have been made significantly larger. Physical buttons on the phone are now used to do many common tasks: (these keys are for the Nexus S, different bindings are used for the Nook, which has different keys available) * Back: Close the current window * Menu: Toggle the onscreen keyboard * Home: Minimize the current window * Power: Turn off the screen * Power+Volume Up: Open the screen brightness widget * Power+Volume Down: Turn off the phone * Power+Home: Restart Inferno Installation is reasonably simple. You'll need the Android SDK (http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html), with the platform-tools package installed for the adb and fastboot utilities. We also strongly recommend installing CyanogenMod on your phone before proceeding--that's what we use to test. First, make absolutely sure you have the adb and fastboot commands in your path--see the previous paragraph regarding the SDK and try running adb to be sure. Download the tarball from http://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/downloads/hellaphone.tgz and unpack it in your root. You should end up with a /data/inferno directory (we put it there because of the Inferno build process). Then, go to the /data/inferno/android directory and run the Reflash-Nexus-S.sh script (assuming you have a Nexus S. Run Reflash-Nook-Color.sh if you have a Nook). This will automatically set up the phone to boot into either Inferno or the regular Java environment--during bootup, the screen will go solid white; if you touch the screen at this point, it will boot into the regular Android environment, otherwise it will timeout and go to Inferno. However, at this point you're not yet ready to boot into Inferno, so reboot the phone and touch the screen to go into the regular Android UI. The final task is to run the command cd /data/inferno; ./parallel-push.sh. Reboot, let it boot into Inferno, and you're ready to go. You can also clone the repository (http://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/) and build it yourself, but this is a significant effort. I do not recommend it if you wish to simply try the system, but if you want to do development you should get the repository. Disclaimer: If you break your phone, it's not our fault. Don't email us, don't come knocking on our door, and don't call us--oh wait, you won't be able to do that anyway, your phone is broken! Credit where credit is due: Ron Minnich came up with the initial idea--we've been kicking the idea of a Plan 9/Inferno phone around for years. Our summer interns, Joel Armstrong and Joshua Landgraf, did the lion's share of the work of making Inferno into a usable cell phone OS--no small feat, considering that neither had any Limbo or Inferno experience before the start of the summer! They re-wrote the UI, puzzled out the undocumented cell radio interface, figured out audio, worked to make Inferno more portable across phones, and generally figured out how to make Inferno and the Android kernel coexist peacefully. Andy Jones, another intern, also did some very early work with Android that helped us figure out the Android init process and how to build for Android. I took care of getting Inferno running on the phone in the first place and have been adding things occasionally since then. We would also like to thank Andrey Mirtchovski
Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
OK, a little more info. I booted a linux vm and ran the fastboot command to unlock the phone install clockwork mod recovery at that point, once the phone rebooted, linux in the vm could no longer enumerate it. Linux got usb events, but it could not, in its own words, enumerate the device So I went back to the mac, and using the adb tool, was able to find the phone, connect to it, push a file to it, and install clockwork mod. Now, that clockwork mod is sitting here showing the boot screen endlessly. So I went back to recovery screen on the phone, wiped the data and cache again, rebooted again, and this time it came up fine. adb shell gets a nice root shell. So, at this point, you'll own the phone. So, tomorrow, on to inferno! ron
