Re: [9fans] Kabini or Raspberry Pi?
I have no pi hardware now, I found the pi hardware is very cheap, 4500円 in Japan. I also found 4 kinds of arm based hardware in the sources. Which is the hardware we can buy now? Kenji
Re: [9fans] Kabini or Raspberry Pi?
Hi Kenji, a comparison page: http://downloads.element14.com/raspberryPi1.html Both model A and model B work. You most probably want to have model B. For details: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.os.plan9.general/70308 best, Gergő On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 9:56 AM, kokam...@hera.eonet.ne.jp wrote: I have no pi hardware now, I found the pi hardware is very cheap, 4500円 in Japan. I also found 4 kinds of arm based hardware in the sources. Which is the hardware we can buy now? Kenji
[9fans] Kabini or Raspberry Pi?
Thanks all. I made order the A68N-5000 board yesterday. I may have many difficulties to run Plan 9, (UEFI etc), in such case I'll run windows on it.☺ By the way, I got attention to arm architecture now. I tried to compile raspberry pi on my plan9 machine, and got problem. When to compile runebase.c in the port of libc, I got runebase.c: 1255 illegal rune in string, where the line is: 0xfa6c, 0x242ee,/* 𤋮 䋮 */. Of course ther are many similar error lines, where all the line have 5 digit value such as '0x242ee'. Is there any limitations arm rune definition? Kenji
Re: [9fans] Kabini or Raspberry Pi?
I found an old thread with a series of steps that called for building the compilers without runebase first then bringing runebase back into libc after (https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.os.plan9/rjFtp4F82U0) - the steps didn't work for me though. What did work was using 5c from /n/9atom ( http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.os.plan9.general/68992)! -Anant On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 12:37 PM, kokam...@hera.eonet.ne.jp wrote: Thanks all. I made order the A68N-5000 board yesterday. I may have many difficulties to run Plan 9, (UEFI etc), in such case I'll run windows on it.☺ By the way, I got attention to arm architecture now. I tried to compile raspberry pi on my plan9 machine, and got problem. When to compile runebase.c in the port of libc, I got runebase.c: 1255 illegal rune in string, where the line is: 0xfa6c, 0x242ee,/* 𤋮 䋮 */. Of course ther are many similar error lines, where all the line have 5 digit value such as '0x242ee'. Is there any limitations arm rune definition? Kenji
Re: [9fans] Kabini or Raspberry Pi?
When to compile runebase.c in the port of libc, I got runebase.c: 1255 illegal rune in string, where the line is: 0xfa6c, 0x242ee,/* 𤋮 䋮 */. Of course ther are many similar error lines, where all the line have 5 digit value such as '0x242ee'. Is there any limitations arm rune definition? have you recompiled the arm libraries and compiler/linker? there can be some chicken-and-egg problems with this but they are largely mitigated by the c compiler's do-it-yourself attitude. - erik
Re: [9fans] Kabini or Raspberry Pi?
What did work was using 5c from /n/9atom ( http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.os.plan9.general/68992)! hey, i like that solution. - erik
Re: [9fans] Kabini or Raspberry Pi?
have you recompiled the arm libraries and compiler/linker? there can be some chicken-and-egg problems with this but they are largely mitigated by the c compiler's do-it-yourself attitude. I recompiled 5c, which purged the problem, thanks. One thing, recent pc/trap.c has validalign() function, which is expected in port/syscallfmt.c. The trap.c in bcm has not. Then, I put void function on the filewhich proceeded compilation safely. I have no pi hardware now, and ha no problem so far. An solid solution would be wellcome. Kenji
Re: [9fans] Kabini or Raspberry Pi?
I recompiled 5c, which purged the problem, thanks. One thing, recent pc/trap.c has validalign() function, which is expected in port/syscallfmt.c. The trap.c in bcm has not. Then, I put void function on the filewhich proceeded compilation safely. validalign should be in ../omap/arch.c, since bcm/arch.c is just #include ../omap/arch.c i see why this was done, but i've also tripped on this. it seems like there should be an easy way to avoid this issue, but i don't currently know what it is. - erik
Re: [9fans] Kabini or Raspberry Pi?
What did work was using 5c from /n/9atom ( http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.os.plan9.general/68992)! hey, i like that solution. I suppose you are kidding. It's really dangerous to mix both distributions, if you don't know what you are doing.☺ Kenji
Re: [9fans] Kabini or Raspberry Pi?
if anyone has any information on Plan 9 and Xen, that would be most welcome too. http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/installing_in_Xen_3.0 This is a paravirtualised kernel which runs on xen; I've used it on an AWS server with reasonable success. With modern intel hardware, it's also possible to run normal native plan 9 on Xen. for my Plan9 CPU/Auth/File server. Another candidate is raspberry pi. The pi makes an excellent terminal but I wouldn't use one as a file server. The only way to attach a local disk is via usb, and the usb interface is not the strongest point of the Broadcom SoC. It will be slow and probably unreliable.
Re: [9fans] Kabini or Raspberry Pi?
Been running 9front on kvm lately, and it has even better uptime than my linux vservers. What's the advantage for you guys to use XEN as apposed to kvm/qemu?
Re: [9fans] Kabini or Raspberry Pi?
I agree with miller about rpi USB and thus ethernet being kind limited in usefulness. The kirkwood though is a good basis for non-terminals. Even USB disks aren't *that* slow in my experience (10M/s).
[9fans] Kabini or Raspberry Pi?
What's the advantage for you guys to use XEN as apposed to kvm/qemu? http://thecloudmarket.com/image/ami-cfa332ff--plan9-fossil
Re: [9fans] Kabini or Raspberry Pi?
i have put some instructions together -- from Richard's 9fans posts and email correspondences -- on how to install your own kernel once you've made an instance using the AMI that Richard posted. keep in mind that this assumes you have a Plan 9 dev environment and you're generating the kernel in that environment. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Drn3lm0g7C2zdzOj5x9hvhgVln13JoSx-zs_z1KEztI -Skip On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Richard Miller 9f...@hamnavoe.com wrote: What's the advantage for you guys to use XEN as apposed to kvm/qemu? http://thecloudmarket.com/image/ami-cfa332ff--plan9-fossil
Re: [9fans] Kabini or Raspberry Pi?
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Drn3lm0g7C2zdzOj5x9hvhgVln13JoSx-zs_z1KEztI Do you have a version of this document that is accessible from Plan 9? sl
Re: [9fans] Kabini or Raspberry Pi?
as soon as the US-Belgium match is over :) On Jul 1, 2014, at 1:07 PM, s...@9front.org wrote: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Drn3lm0g7C2zdzOj5x9hvhgVln13JoSx-zs_z1KEztI Do you have a version of this document that is accessible from Plan 9? sl
Re: [9fans] Kabini or Raspberry Pi?
h% ls -l /n/sources/contrib/forsyth/Plan9* --rw-rw-r-- M 3231 forsyth sys 86727 Jul 1 22:35 /n/sources/contrib/forsyth/Plan9ServeronEC2.pdf hget http://www.terzarima.net/dist/Plan9ServeronEC2.pdf | page -w On 1 July 2014 21:07, s...@9front.org wrote: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Drn3lm0g7C2zdzOj5x9hvhgVln13JoSx-zs_z1KEztI Do you have a version of this document that is accessible from Plan 9? sl
Re: [9fans] Kabini or Raspberry Pi?
/n/sources/contrib/forsyth/Plan9ServeronEC2.pdf Thanks! sl
Re: [9fans] Kabini or Raspberry Pi?
Thanks. On Jul 1, 2014, at 2:39 PM, Charles Forsyth charles.fors...@gmail.com wrote: h% ls -l /n/sources/contrib/forsyth/Plan9* --rw-rw-r-- M 3231 forsyth sys 86727 Jul 1 22:35 /n/sources/contrib/forsyth/Plan9ServeronEC2.pdf hget http://www.terzarima.net/dist/Plan9ServeronEC2.pdf | page -w On 1 July 2014 21:07, s...@9front.org wrote: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Drn3lm0g7C2zdzOj5x9hvhgVln13JoSx-zs_z1KEztI Do you have a version of this document that is accessible from Plan 9? sl
[9fans] Kabini or Raspberry Pi?
After I retired job (strictory semi-retired) I'm now running Plan9 only in my house. Now, I'm hesitating to setup a C2D machine as CPU/Auth/File server machine.It eats high level of power. Here in Japan, all the atomic power facilities is stopping. In personal house, high performance is not so neccessary, because most of the work will be done in terminals these days. However, drawterm looks like very attractive for such purpose. Then, CPU server is neccessary which is running all the day. I found AMD Kabini based onboard energy save motherboard called A68N-5000(Biostar), which looks like very attractive for my Plan9 CPU/Auth/File server. Another candidate is raspberry pi. However, I wonder it has such as mini-ITX case and power? How do you think about this? Kenji
Re: [9fans] Kabini or Raspberry Pi?
Hi Kenji, I can't vouch for the driver support of such a motherboard, thats best left to others. I must say, that is a nice looking motherboard, and I for one would be most curious if you were to get it working. Another alternative, that I am looking into with NUCs is perhaps a Xen server, again, better left to others to tell you the support, but at the risk of hijacking the thread (please fork it if you have info on Xen) if anyone has any information on Plan 9 and Xen, that would be most welcome too. Good luck with the venture and your retirement, and interesting news to hear the atomic power facilities are curtailing in your part of the world. We should talk about this in future, privately. Many thanks! Shane. On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 10:28 AM, kokam...@hera.eonet.ne.jp wrote: After I retired job (strictory semi-retired) I'm now running Plan9 only in my house. Now, I'm hesitating to setup a C2D machine as CPU/Auth/File server machine.It eats high level of power. Here in Japan, all the atomic power facilities is stopping. In personal house, high performance is not so neccessary, because most of the work will be done in terminals these days. However, drawterm looks like very attractive for such purpose. Then, CPU server is neccessary which is running all the day. I found AMD Kabini based onboard energy save motherboard called A68N-5000(Biostar), which looks like very attractive for my Plan9 CPU/Auth/File server. Another candidate is raspberry pi. However, I wonder it has such as mini-ITX case and power? How do you think about this? Kenji
Re: [9fans] Kabini or Raspberry Pi?
Oh, and the RaspberryPi Mini ITX case - well, motherboard, see here: http://www.geekroo.com/products/795 Enjoy! On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Shane Morris edgecombe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Kenji, I can't vouch for the driver support of such a motherboard, thats best left to others. I must say, that is a nice looking motherboard, and I for one would be most curious if you were to get it working. Another alternative, that I am looking into with NUCs is perhaps a Xen server, again, better left to others to tell you the support, but at the risk of hijacking the thread (please fork it if you have info on Xen) if anyone has any information on Plan 9 and Xen, that would be most welcome too. Good luck with the venture and your retirement, and interesting news to hear the atomic power facilities are curtailing in your part of the world. We should talk about this in future, privately. Many thanks! Shane. On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 10:28 AM, kokam...@hera.eonet.ne.jp wrote: After I retired job (strictory semi-retired) I'm now running Plan9 only in my house. Now, I'm hesitating to setup a C2D machine as CPU/Auth/File server machine.It eats high level of power. Here in Japan, all the atomic power facilities is stopping. In personal house, high performance is not so neccessary, because most of the work will be done in terminals these days. However, drawterm looks like very attractive for such purpose. Then, CPU server is neccessary which is running all the day. I found AMD Kabini based onboard energy save motherboard called A68N-5000(Biostar), which looks like very attractive for my Plan9 CPU/Auth/File server. Another candidate is raspberry pi. However, I wonder it has such as mini-ITX case and power? How do you think about this? Kenji
