Re: [9fans] Some arithmetic [was: Re: Sources Gone?]

2009-02-05 Thread Dave Eckhardt
Assuming SHA-1 is indeed cryptographically secure (which is the assumption made by the venti paper) Well, I read it like it was just sufficiently secure against unintended collisions. It's not intended to encrypt, but to efficiently store data. While SHA-1 is indeed not intended to

Re: [9fans] Some arithmetic [was: Re: Sources Gone?]

2009-02-05 Thread Russ Cox
Even if venti scores are completely unguessable, using them as an authentication mechanism is a mistake, because you can't change them. It would be like having a fixed, unchangeable password assigned to your account: once the password leaked out into the world, one way or another, you'd have no

Re: [9fans] Some arithmetic [was: Re: Sources Gone?]

2009-02-05 Thread erik quanstrom
http://www.google.com/search?q=09+f9; is that a legal url? - erik

Re: [9fans] Some arithmetic [was: Re: Sources Gone?]

2009-02-05 Thread Roman V. Shaposhnik
On Thu, 2009-02-05 at 12:41 -0500, erik quanstrom wrote: http://www.google.com/search?q=09+f9; is that a legal url? I don't think it is a legal URL, but most browsers will turn it into a legal one before issuing a GET request. Thanks, Roman. P.S. Or am I missing some kind of a joke here?

Re: [9fans] Some arithmetic [was: Re: Sources Gone?]

2009-02-05 Thread Micah Stetson
http://www.google.com/search?q=09+f9; is that a legal url? P.S. Or am I missing some kind of a joke here? ;-) Intentional or not, it's a very good joke. Micah

Re: [9fans] Some arithmetic [was: Re: Sources Gone?]

2009-02-05 Thread Roman V. Shaposhnik
On Thu, 2009-02-05 at 10:22 -0800, Micah Stetson wrote: http://www.google.com/search?q=09+f9; is that a legal url? P.S. Or am I missing some kind of a joke here? ;-) Intentional or not, it's a very good joke. but...but...erik always adds that look-i-am-using-plan9-smiley to all of

Re: [9fans] Some arithmetic [was: Re: Sources Gone?]

2009-02-05 Thread hiro
http://www.google.com/search?q=09+f9; is that a legal url? - erik fortune worthy :D

Re: [9fans] Some arithmetic [was: Re: Sources Gone?]

2009-02-05 Thread erik quanstrom
but...but...erik always adds that look-i-am-using-plan9-smiley to all of his jokes. i'm so confused... i do? i guess ya learn something every day. - erik

[9fans] Some arithmetic [was: Re: Sources Gone?]

2009-02-04 Thread Nathaniel W Filardo
On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 05:40:01PM +0900, sqweek wrote: On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 9:54 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: Yes, but the content isn't guaranteed to be from a single user. In fact, venti has no clue. Change that and it's not venti anymore. exactly. but it's

Re: [9fans] Some arithmetic [was: Re: Sources Gone?]

2009-02-04 Thread Nathaniel W Filardo
On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 11:40:51AM -0500, Nathaniel W Filardo wrote: entire sun-facing solid angle of the earth into a similarly perfect computer, we get 2^192/2^32*(4.5 x 10^(-10)) ~~ 2^129 addition operations in Rats, I got overly happy with exponentiation (should be 2^5, not 2^32).

Re: [9fans] Some arithmetic [was: Re: Sources Gone?]

2009-02-04 Thread hiro
Assuming SHA-1 is indeed cryptographically secure (which is the assumption made by the venti paper) Well, I read it like it was just sufficiently secure against unintended collisions. It's not intended to encrypt, but to efficiently store data.