Re: [9fans] Vanilla Plan 9 or one of the flavors?

2014-01-07 Thread erik quanstrom
> On Jan 6, 2014, at 5:29 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: > > the output of "pci | grep net" should be enough. > > > > - erik > term% pci | grep net > 2.9.0: net 02.00.00 1282/9102 3 0:d801 256 1:feaffc00 256 > term% > > Thanks, Erik. You've been very helpful and friendly. :) > minooka; pci

[9fans] Vanilla Plan 9 or one of the flavors?

2014-01-07 Thread Andrés Domínguez
El lunes, 6 de enero de 2014, Lyndon Nerenberg escribió: > > But realistically, for how much longer? The past year has shown the love is gone. I haven't been able to run a labs distribution on physical hardware for years. Nor on virtual hardware. It's time to choose a new king ... The Raspbe

Re: [9fans] Vanilla Plan 9 or one of the flavors?

2014-01-07 Thread Alex Jordan
On Jan 6, 2014, at 5:29 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: > the output of "pci | grep net" should be enough. > > - erik term% pci | grep net 2.9.0: net 02.00.00 1282/9102 3 0:d801 256 1:feaffc00 256 term% Thanks, Erik. You've been very helpful and friendly. :) Alex

Re: [9fans] Vanilla Plan 9 or one of the flavors?

2014-01-06 Thread Kurt H Maier
Quoting Aram Hăvărneanu : and the 9front guys have everything in a hg repo on Google Code 9front exists precisely because the 9front authors considered Plan 9 closed. Using it as an example of openness is the ultimate in hypocrisy. Nobody considers plan 9 closed. 9front exists because cina

Re: [9fans] Vanilla Plan 9 or one of the flavors?

2014-01-06 Thread Kurt H Maier
Quoting Lyndon Nerenberg : On Jan 5, 2014, at 8:03 PM, Steven Stallion wrote: There are a few of us that still hold out hope for the Labs distribution. But realistically, for how much longer? The past year has shown the love is gone. I haven't been able to run a labs distribution on p

Re: [9fans] Vanilla Plan 9 or one of the flavors?

2014-01-06 Thread Dave Eckhardt
> I mentioned this. I don't want to buy a new piece of hardware when > I could fix the issue by using a different software stack, but if > necessary, that's what I'll end up doing (buying the hardware). Very frequently the problem is nothing more than missing case arms in a couple of switch() stat

Re: [9fans] Vanilla Plan 9 or one of the flavors?

2014-01-06 Thread lucio
Very good points, every one of them. Thanks, Thierry, I could have not put them half as nicely. ++L --- Begin Message --- On Mon, Jan 06, 2014 at 05:40:50PM +0100, Aram H?v?rneanu wrote: > > 9front exists precisely because the 9front authors considered Plan 9 > closed. Using it as an example of

Re: [9fans] Vanilla Plan 9 or one of the flavors?

2014-01-06 Thread lucio
> That is not what hypocrisy means. I thought I was missing something... ++L

Re: [9fans] Vanilla Plan 9 or one of the flavors?

2014-01-06 Thread tlaronde
On Mon, Jan 06, 2014 at 05:40:50PM +0100, Aram H?v?rneanu wrote: > > 9front exists precisely because the 9front authors considered Plan 9 > closed. Using it as an example of openness is the ultimate in > hypocrisy. > It's easier to correct one whole defined "wrong" direction than to correct a so

Re: [9fans] Vanilla Plan 9 or one of the flavors?

2014-01-06 Thread Anthony Sorace
On Jan 6, 2014, at 11:40 , Aram Hăvărneanu wrote: >> and the 9front guys have everything in a hg repo >> on Google Code > > 9front exists precisely because the 9front authors considered Plan 9 > closed. Using it as an example of openness is the ultimate in > hypocrisy. That is not what hypocris

Re: [9fans] Vanilla Plan 9 or one of the flavors?

2014-01-06 Thread Aram Hăvărneanu
> and the 9front guys have everything in a hg repo > on Google Code 9front exists precisely because the 9front authors considered Plan 9 closed. Using it as an example of openness is the ultimate in hypocrisy. -- Aram Hăvărneanu

Re: [9fans] Vanilla Plan 9 or one of the flavors?

2014-01-06 Thread a
// In the case of 'The Labs' these days, sharing seems to be // an anathema. Acceptance of outside code? Never. Look, we've got enough problems without you making things up which are trivially false: : root; pwd /n/sources/patch/applied : root; for (i in `{ls -rt | tail}

Re: [9fans] Vanilla Plan 9 or one of the flavors?

2014-01-06 Thread erik quanstrom
> Not to derail the discussion that this has now turned into, but it > seems that the Ethernet card in the aforementioned server is too old, > too esoteric, or simply hasn't had anyone around to bother writing a > driver for it, and so wasn't recognized by the Bell Labs distribution > or 9atom (bot

Re: [9fans] Vanilla Plan 9 or one of the flavors?

2014-01-06 Thread Richard Miller
> get a intel gigabit nic for example. or a cheap USB ethernet adapter - eg http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B000Q6JRB6 works for me.

Re: [9fans] Vanilla Plan 9 or one of the flavors?

2014-01-06 Thread Paul Clark
On Sun, Jan 05, 2014 at 11:49:49PM -0800, Alex Jordan wrote: > If you'll read my email again, you'll note that I mentioned this. I don't > want to buy a new piece of hardware when I could fix the issue by using a > different software stack, but if necessary, that's what I'll end up doing > (buyi

Re: [9fans] Vanilla Plan 9 or one of the flavors?

2014-01-05 Thread Alex Jordan
On Jan 5, 2014, at 11:39 PM, cinap_len...@felloff.net wrote: > instead of randomly switching distributoins, why not investigate > what hardware is actually supported and install such hardware? If you'll read my email again, you'll note that I mentioned this. I don't want to buy a new piece of har

Re: [9fans] Vanilla Plan 9 or one of the flavors?

2014-01-05 Thread cinap_lenrek
instead of randomly switching distributoins, why not investigate what hardware is actually supported and install such hardware? you can easily move drivers from 9atom or labs or 9front any way arround. it doesnt matter. rules of acquisition: get a intel gigabit nic for example. look in the drive

Re: [9fans] Vanilla Plan 9 or one of the flavors?

2014-01-05 Thread Alex Jordan
On Jan 5, 2014, at 8:03 PM, Steven Stallion wrote: > On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 6:03 PM, Patryk Laurent wrote: >> >> Hi Alex, >> >> I just joined the list, and so I missed your question. But I also opted for >> going with the vanilla distribution. Enjoy -- it's been pretty fun so far! >> >> Pa

Re: [9fans] Vanilla Plan 9 or one of the flavors?

2014-01-05 Thread Patryk Laurent
On Jan 05, 2014, at 09:09 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: But the reality is: the labs are no more. No funding, no interest, no anything. Geoff and Jim are due for retirement from this mailing list. (Jim left ages ago, in fact.) Let's let them go in peace. I'm fairly new here, but it seems that so lon

Re: [9fans] Vanilla Plan 9 or one of the flavors?

2014-01-05 Thread Steven Stallion
On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 11:13 PM, andrey mirtchovski wrote: > devmnt is all that's needed to have community. somebody, somewhere, > will reinvent it badly. I couldn't help but chuckle. I think anyone who has ever had to navigate and deal with bugs in devmnt would quite agree! Steve

Re: [9fans] Vanilla Plan 9 or one of the flavors?

2014-01-05 Thread andrey mirtchovski
devmnt is all that's needed to have community. somebody, somewhere, will reinvent it badly.

Re: [9fans] Vanilla Plan 9 or one of the flavors?

2014-01-05 Thread Bruce Ellis
Welcome to what is becoming something indistinguishable from the thousands of "linux blame-game mailing lists. Grow up. Read a good book. Go to the beach. brucee On 6 January 2014 16:01, Steven Stallion wrote: > On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 10:53 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg > wrote: > > > "... what works

Re: [9fans] Vanilla Plan 9 or one of the flavors?

2014-01-05 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On Jan 5, 2014, at 9:01 PM, Steven Stallion wrote: >> In the case of 'The Labs' these days, sharing seems to be an anathema. >> Acceptance of outside code? Never. > > I'm not certain this is a completely fair criticism. The Labs is quite > a bit smaller than it used to be these days. Patienc

Re: [9fans] Vanilla Plan 9 or one of the flavors?

2014-01-05 Thread Steven Stallion
On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 10:53 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > "... what works for me." > > That's the part that frustrates me these days. No sharing. Inside or out. I'd suggest taking a look at contrib/stallion (particularly patch and src) before adding yet more vitriol to the list. > In the cas

Re: [9fans] Vanilla Plan 9 or one of the flavors?

2014-01-05 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
> Works fine for me on a variety of x86 hardware. At the moment I use > Pineview D525 boards with no trouble at all. If I happen to run into > hardware that's not supported, I write a driver. Honestly, it's the > same business you get with any other distribution. I don't > particularly care for ki

Re: [9fans] Vanilla Plan 9 or one of the flavors?

2014-01-05 Thread balaji
+1 On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 8:36 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > > On Jan 5, 2014, at 8:03 PM, Steven Stallion wrote: > >> There are a few of us that still hold out hope for the Labs >> distribution. > > But realistically, for how much longer? The past year has shown the love is > gone. I haven't

Re: [9fans] Vanilla Plan 9 or one of the flavors?

2014-01-05 Thread Steven Stallion
On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 10:36 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > > On Jan 5, 2014, at 8:03 PM, Steven Stallion wrote: > >> There are a few of us that still hold out hope for the Labs >> distribution. > > But realistically, for how much longer? The past year has shown the love is > gone. I haven't be

Re: [9fans] Vanilla Plan 9 or one of the flavors?

2014-01-05 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On Jan 5, 2014, at 8:03 PM, Steven Stallion wrote: > There are a few of us that still hold out hope for the Labs > distribution. But realistically, for how much longer? The past year has shown the love is gone. I haven't been able to run a labs distribution on physical hardware for years.

Re: [9fans] Vanilla Plan 9 or one of the flavors?

2014-01-05 Thread Steven Stallion
On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 6:03 PM, Patryk Laurent wrote: > > Hi Alex, > > I just joined the list, and so I missed your question. But I also opted for > going with the vanilla distribution. Enjoy -- it's been pretty fun so far! > > Patryk > > > >> On Jan 5, 2014, at 15:54, Alex Jordan wrote: >> >>

Re: [9fans] Vanilla Plan 9 or one of the flavors?

2014-01-05 Thread Patryk Laurent
Hi Alex, I just joined the list, and so I missed your question. But I also opted for going with the vanilla distribution. Enjoy -- it's been pretty fun so far! Patryk > On Jan 5, 2014, at 15:54, Alex Jordan wrote: > >> On Mon Dec 30 21:03:24 EST 2013, alexander3223...@gmail.com wrote: >>

Re: [9fans] Vanilla Plan 9 or one of the flavors?

2014-01-05 Thread Alex Jordan
On Mon Dec 30 21:03:24 EST 2013, alexander3223...@gmail.com wrote: > Basically, would you guys recommend I try the Bell Labs > distribution of Plan 9, 9front, or 9atom as my first installation? Since no one seems to have an opinion on this, I'm going with the Bell Labs distribution. We'll see how i

Re: [9fans] Vanilla Plan 9 or one of the flavors?

2013-12-30 Thread erik quanstrom
On Mon Dec 30 21:03:24 EST 2013, alexander3223...@gmail.com wrote: > Hi, > After a number of months of lurking on this list, I've finally gotten > a computer set up to be a dedicated Plan 9 installation (as part of a > grid, of course). > At this point, I need to choose between vanilla Plan 9 or on

Re: [9fans] Vanilla Plan 9 or one of the flavors?

2013-12-30 Thread Alex Jordan
On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 6:02 PM, Alex Jordan wrote: > At this point, I need to choose between vanilla Plan 9 or one of the > flavors (9front or 9atom). There is also 9legacy, which I forgot about.

[9fans] Vanilla Plan 9 or one of the flavors?

2013-12-30 Thread Alex Jordan
Hi, After a number of months of lurking on this list, I've finally gotten a computer set up to be a dedicated Plan 9 installation (as part of a grid, of course). At this point, I need to choose between vanilla Plan 9 or one of the flavors (9front or 9atom). I have read the "9front vs. 9atom" thread