Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop

2012-10-19 Thread Dan Cross
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 1:17 PM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: I too find Linux too mainstream: http://i.imgur.com/Wtm16.png Bravo. - Dan C.

Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop

2012-10-18 Thread arnold
erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: The question is rather: What killed the Plan 9 desktop? poor special effects? - erik The Plan 9 desktop was never aimed at the consumer market, which is what Miguel was bemoaning for Linux. Plan 9 was never even aimed the broader Unix / software

Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop

2012-10-18 Thread tlaronde
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:05:08PM +0200, Christoph Lohmann wrote: The question is rather: What killed the Plan 9 desktop? Having forgotten that a market for a sensible solution is a niche market. Only stupidity and lack of reflexion can replace the what do I need with i don't know what I

Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop

2012-10-18 Thread Balwinder S Dheeman
On 10/18/2012 01:35 AM, Christoph Lohmann wrote: Greetings comrades. On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 22:05:08 +0200 Aharon Robbins arn...@skeeve.com wrote: This says a lot, rather nicely: http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2012/Aug-29.html Having lived through the Unix wars of the 80s and 90s, it's

Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop

2012-10-18 Thread Oleksandr Iakovliev
On 2012-10-18 11:03 , Balwinder S Dheeman wrote: On 10/18/2012 01:35 AM, Christoph Lohmann wrote: Greetings comrades. On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 22:05:08 +0200 Aharon Robbins arn...@skeeve.com wrote: This says a lot, rather nicely: http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2012/Aug-29.html Having

Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop

2012-10-18 Thread Nemo
that's what I thought. :) On Oct 18, 2012, at 2:10 PM, Oleksandr Iakovliev yshu...@lynxline.com wrote: On 2012-10-18 11:03 , Balwinder S Dheeman wrote: On 10/18/2012 01:35 AM, Christoph Lohmann wrote: Greetings comrades. On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 22:05:08 +0200 Aharon Robbins arn...@skeeve.com

Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop

2012-10-18 Thread Brian L. Stuart
The question is rather: What killed the Plan 9 desktop? 1) Lack of modern GUI and GUI development kit 2) Lack of Object Oriented GUI configuration tools 3) Lack of a decent web0browser 4) Lack of a decent communication/messaging client 5) Lack

Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop

2012-10-18 Thread erik quanstrom
erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: The question is rather: What killed the Plan 9 desktop? poor special effects? - erik The Plan 9 desktop was never aimed at the consumer market, which is [...] that was supposed to be a switcheroo, not a comment on plan 9 graphics or the

Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop

2012-10-18 Thread yard-ape
http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2012/Aug-29.html If developmental stability was all it took to attract third party developers then why didn't FreeBSD win the desktop a decade ago? Or indeed Plan 9 (I suppose this is reductio)?

Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop

2012-10-18 Thread Pavel Klinkovsky
Dne čtvrtek, 18. října 2012 14:23:03 UTC+2 Oleksandr Iakovliev napsal(a): 1) Lack of modern GUI and GUI development kit ... But that's the list of benefits, isn't? :) I mostly agree except the browser. I would appreciate a well working browser in the P9 too. ;) Pavel

Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop

2012-10-18 Thread Robert Raschke
A well working browser is an OS these days. A bit of a dilemma that. ;-) On Oct 18, 2012 3:25 PM, Pavel Klinkovsky pavel.klinkov...@gmail.com wrote: Dne čtvrtek, 18. října 2012 14:23:03 UTC+2 Oleksandr Iakovliev napsal(a): 1) Lack of modern GUI and GUI development kit ...

Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop

2012-10-18 Thread erik quanstrom
A well working browser is an OS these days. A bit of a dilemma that. ;-) you overestimate how complicated an os needs to be. - erik

Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop

2012-10-18 Thread John Floren
Precisely. The correlation between what makes something good and what makes something popular is small but negative. One of the primary reasons I stopped using Linux was that it was becoming too mainstream and just like all the commercial junk out there. I too find Linux too mainstream:

Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop

2012-10-18 Thread Oleksandr Iakovliev
On 2012-10-18 18:52 , erik quanstrom wrote: A well working browser is an OS these days. A bit of a dilemma that. ;-) you overestimate how complicated an os needs to be. - erik Browsers are on the dark side - they have cookies

Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop

2012-10-18 Thread Calvin Morrison
On Oct 18, 2012 2:34 PM, Skip Tavakkolian skip.tavakkol...@gmail.com wrote: Erudite Glenda in Winter? On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 10:17 AM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: Precisely. The correlation between what makes something good and what makes something popular is small but negative.

[9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop

2012-10-17 Thread Aharon Robbins
This says a lot, rather nicely: http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2012/Aug-29.html Having lived through the Unix wars of the 80s and 90s, it's the same story all over again. (Or maybe the story never ended. Either way, the users are the ones who lost out.) Arnold

Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop

2012-10-17 Thread Christoph Lohmann
Greetings comrades. On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 22:05:08 +0200 Aharon Robbins arn...@skeeve.com wrote: This says a lot, rather nicely: http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2012/Aug-29.html Having lived through the Unix wars of the 80s and 90s, it's the same story all over again. The question is

Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop

2012-10-17 Thread Rodrigo Miranda
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Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop

2012-10-17 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 09:49:41PM +0200, Aharon Robbins wrote: This says a lot, rather nicely: http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2012/Aug-29.html The guy whose entire career has been spent cloning DOS and Windows software claims that Linux sucks because it's not enough like Windows?

Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop

2012-10-17 Thread erik quanstrom
The question is rather: What killed the Plan 9 desktop? poor special effects? - erik