Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 1:17 PM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: I too find Linux too mainstream: http://i.imgur.com/Wtm16.png Bravo. - Dan C.
Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop
erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: The question is rather: What killed the Plan 9 desktop? poor special effects? - erik The Plan 9 desktop was never aimed at the consumer market, which is what Miguel was bemoaning for Linux. Plan 9 was never even aimed the broader Unix / software developer market; it was designed mainly to please the developers (which is fine, they did great things, but let's be honest here). The broader point is that the Unix / Linux / Open Source communities seem to be plagued with a never-ending desire to reinvent the same wheels over again instead of moving forward. This may be part of what Rob had in mind in his 2000 paper about systems reearch being dead. And it may just be part of the human condition. :-( Arnold
Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:05:08PM +0200, Christoph Lohmann wrote: The question is rather: What killed the Plan 9 desktop? Having forgotten that a market for a sensible solution is a niche market. Only stupidity and lack of reflexion can replace the what do I need with i don't know what I need ; so what everybody has is obviously what I do need, hence a mass market (the Panurge's sheeps). -- Thierry Laronde tlaronde +AT+ polynum +dot+ com http://www.kergis.com/ Key fingerprint = 0FF7 E906 FBAF FE95 FD89 250D 52B1 AE95 6006 F40C
Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop
On 10/18/2012 01:35 AM, Christoph Lohmann wrote: Greetings comrades. On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 22:05:08 +0200 Aharon Robbins arn...@skeeve.com wrote: This says a lot, rather nicely: http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2012/Aug-29.html Having lived through the Unix wars of the 80s and 90s, it's the same story all over again. The question is rather: What killed the Plan 9 desktop? 1) Lack of modern GUI and GUI development kit 2) Lack of Object Oriented GUI configuration tools 3) Lack of a decent web0browser 4) Lack of a decent communication/messaging client 5) Lack of an Office Applications suite ... ... ... z) Last, but not the least, hate towards C++ and love for the Go -- Balwinder S bdheeman Dheeman (http://werc.homelinux.net/contact/)
Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop
On 2012-10-18 11:03 , Balwinder S Dheeman wrote: On 10/18/2012 01:35 AM, Christoph Lohmann wrote: Greetings comrades. On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 22:05:08 +0200 Aharon Robbins arn...@skeeve.com wrote: This says a lot, rather nicely: http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2012/Aug-29.html Having lived through the Unix wars of the 80s and 90s, it's the same story all over again. The question is rather: What killed the Plan 9 desktop? 1) Lack of modern GUI and GUI development kit 2) Lack of Object Oriented GUI configuration tools 3) Lack of a decent web0browser 4) Lack of a decent communication/messaging client 5) Lack of an Office Applications suite ... ... ... z) Last, but not the least, hate towards C++ and love for the Go But that's the list of benefits, isn't? :)
Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop
that's what I thought. :) On Oct 18, 2012, at 2:10 PM, Oleksandr Iakovliev yshu...@lynxline.com wrote: On 2012-10-18 11:03 , Balwinder S Dheeman wrote: On 10/18/2012 01:35 AM, Christoph Lohmann wrote: Greetings comrades. On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 22:05:08 +0200 Aharon Robbins arn...@skeeve.com wrote: This says a lot, rather nicely: http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2012/Aug-29.html Having lived through the Unix wars of the 80s and 90s, it's the same story all over again. The question is rather: What killed the Plan 9 desktop? 1) Lack of modern GUI and GUI development kit 2) Lack of Object Oriented GUI configuration tools 3) Lack of a decent web0browser 4) Lack of a decent communication/messaging client 5) Lack of an Office Applications suite ... ... ... z) Last, but not the least, hate towards C++ and love for the Go But that's the list of benefits, isn't? :)
Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop
The question is rather: What killed the Plan 9 desktop? 1) Lack of modern GUI and GUI development kit 2) Lack of Object Oriented GUI configuration tools 3) Lack of a decent web0browser 4) Lack of a decent communication/messaging client 5) Lack of an Office Applications suite ... ... ... z) Last, but not the least, hate towards C++ and love for the Go But that's the list of benefits, isn't? :) Precisely. The correlation between what makes something good and what makes something popular is small but negative. One of the primary reasons I stopped using Linux was that it was becoming too mainstream and just like all the commercial junk out there. In general, I don't have any objection to reinventing the wheel. If no one ever did, we wouldn't have the pneumatic tire. But just fiddling about the edges and deciding what color it should be is the worst of RD sins. It's BORING. If you ever watch the TV shows that are competitions of creative work, the most damning thing a judge can say is that it's boring. The same is true of software development and engineering. Besides, it it becomes unfun very quickly if you can't start something new with a clean sheet of paper at least every few months. BLS
Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop
erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: The question is rather: What killed the Plan 9 desktop? poor special effects? - erik The Plan 9 desktop was never aimed at the consumer market, which is [...] that was supposed to be a switcheroo, not a comment on plan 9 graphics or the importance of graphics. sorry. - erik
Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop
http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2012/Aug-29.html If developmental stability was all it took to attract third party developers then why didn't FreeBSD win the desktop a decade ago? Or indeed Plan 9 (I suppose this is reductio)?
Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop
Dne čtvrtek, 18. října 2012 14:23:03 UTC+2 Oleksandr Iakovliev napsal(a): 1) Lack of modern GUI and GUI development kit ... But that's the list of benefits, isn't? :) I mostly agree except the browser. I would appreciate a well working browser in the P9 too. ;) Pavel
Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop
A well working browser is an OS these days. A bit of a dilemma that. ;-) On Oct 18, 2012 3:25 PM, Pavel Klinkovsky pavel.klinkov...@gmail.com wrote: Dne čtvrtek, 18. října 2012 14:23:03 UTC+2 Oleksandr Iakovliev napsal(a): 1) Lack of modern GUI and GUI development kit ... But that's the list of benefits, isn't? :) I mostly agree except the browser. I would appreciate a well working browser in the P9 too. ;) Pavel
Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop
A well working browser is an OS these days. A bit of a dilemma that. ;-) you overestimate how complicated an os needs to be. - erik
Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop
Precisely. The correlation between what makes something good and what makes something popular is small but negative. One of the primary reasons I stopped using Linux was that it was becoming too mainstream and just like all the commercial junk out there. I too find Linux too mainstream: http://i.imgur.com/Wtm16.png john
Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop
On 2012-10-18 18:52 , erik quanstrom wrote: A well working browser is an OS these days. A bit of a dilemma that. ;-) you overestimate how complicated an os needs to be. - erik Browsers are on the dark side - they have cookies
Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop
On Oct 18, 2012 2:34 PM, Skip Tavakkolian skip.tavakkol...@gmail.com wrote: Erudite Glenda in Winter? On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 10:17 AM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: Precisely. The correlation between what makes something good and what makes something popular is small but negative. One of the primary reasons I stopped using Linux was that it was becoming too mainstream and just like all the commercial junk out there. I too find Linux too mainstream: http://i.imgur.com/Wtm16.png john I used plan9 before it was cool -- full time philosopher/part time starbucks barista
[9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop
This says a lot, rather nicely: http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2012/Aug-29.html Having lived through the Unix wars of the 80s and 90s, it's the same story all over again. (Or maybe the story never ended. Either way, the users are the ones who lost out.) Arnold
Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop
Greetings comrades. On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 22:05:08 +0200 Aharon Robbins arn...@skeeve.com wrote: This says a lot, rather nicely: http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2012/Aug-29.html Having lived through the Unix wars of the 80s and 90s, it's the same story all over again. The question is rather: What killed the Plan 9 desktop? Sincerely, Christoph Lohmann
Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop
Cel. Mustard With the candlestick In the Dining Room Rodrigo Miranda ``The zen master hit me in the head. I told him: If you keep hitting me in the head, I won't be able to learn a thing! He hit me again. In the head.´´ (Rodrigo Miranda) On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Christoph Lohmann 2...@r-36.net wrote: Greetings comrades. On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 22:05:08 +0200 Aharon Robbins arn...@skeeve.com wrote: This says a lot, rather nicely: http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2012/Aug-29.html Having lived through the Unix wars of the 80s and 90s, it's the same story all over again. The question is rather: What killed the Plan 9 desktop? Sincerely, Christoph Lohmann
Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 09:49:41PM +0200, Aharon Robbins wrote: This says a lot, rather nicely: http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2012/Aug-29.html The guy whose entire career has been spent cloning DOS and Windows software claims that Linux sucks because it's not enough like Windows? huge surprise
Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop
The question is rather: What killed the Plan 9 desktop? poor special effects? - erik
