Re: [9fans] Plan9 wept! - Throwing in the Towel

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Re: [9fans] Plan9 multi-core support

The dual VAX was the first machine we tried to make work, but for various reasons including the machine's peculiarities and our own embryonic knowledge, we abandoned it. The first working Plan 9 kernel was for a 4-CPU (one MIPS chip per board) IRIS machine, with custom locking hardware (on another

Re: [9fans] Plan9 multi-core support

there was a vax compiler and i think a vax kenfs implementation, i don’t know if there was a vax cpu/auth kernel. quite possibly not. currently i can only find my own post on tuhs confirming the vax was a dead end. but i am sure jmk told me he found a vax compiler binary in the labs dump. i t

Re: [9fans] Plan9 multi-core support

On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 12:32:55PM +, G B via 9fans wrote: > Windows and Linux began on single-core single processor machines. > Multiprocessor had been around for some time--IBM's System 360 began using > multi-processors in 1968--but not for x86. Plan 9 first edition came out in > 1992, a

Re: [9fans] Plan9 multi-core support

There was an VAX kernel? where can i find more information about it? On Mon, 28 Aug 2023 16:25:59 +0100 Steve Simon wrote: > i wonder if the lost vax kernel supported multiple cpu's - mkf -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fa

Re: [9fans] Plan9 multi-core support

> Plan 9 first edition came out in 1992, at a time when multicore didn't exist, > and multicore was released with IBM's Power 4 in 2001. possibly true but multi-cpu boxes where becoming quite popular in the late 1980s and these have very similar kernel design challenges to multicore architectu

Re: [9fans] Plan9 multi-core support

Windows and Linux began on single-core single processor machines. Multiprocessor had been around for some time--IBM's System 360 began using multi-processors in 1968--but not for x86. Plan 9 first edition came out in 1992, at a time when multicore didn't exist, and multicore was released with

Re: [9fans] Plan9 multi-core support

Quoth dusan3...@gmail.com: > I finally read the article about asking questions, sorry if i was being rude > or was waisting your time, wasn't my intention. people wrote documentation for a reason; sometimes the documentation is confusing, insufficient, or you didn't know the right keyword to loo

Re: [9fans] Plan9 multi-core support

On Sat, Aug 26, 2023 at 9:28 PM Don Bailey wrote: > Rob - would you be willing to tell us what the novel work is (and more > about it) that still has relevance today? I'm sure I'm not the only one on > the list that would love to learn more about that history. > I wouldn’t try to speak for Rob,

Re: [9fans] Plan9 multi-core support

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Re: [9fans] Plan9 multi-core support

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Re: [9fans] Plan9 multi-core support

I assume you are using a mail client, click on "reply" button if so. On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 05:50:22 -0400 dusan3...@gmail.com wrote: > Btw, how do I reply to someone like you are doing? Copying and quoting > manually seems weird. - mkf -- 9fans: 9fans Perm

Re: [9fans] Plan9 multi-core support

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Re: [9fans] Plan9 multi-core support

I finally read the article about asking questions, sorry if i was being rude or was waisting your time, wasn't my intention. And about the multi-core support, well I kinda moved away from it since I don't really need it, I was just wondering if i can disable it in an easy way for the measureme

Re: [9fans] Plan9 multi-core support

Rob - would you be willing to tell us what the novel work is (and more about it) that still has relevance today? I'm sure I'm not the only one on the list that would love to learn more about that history. Best, D On Sat, Aug 26, 2023 at 7:54 PM Rob Pike wrote: > A big reason for doing Plan 9,

Re: [9fans] Plan9 multi-core support

In addition to the papers Ori pointed out, you may wish to read Francisco J Ballesteros' Notes on the Plan9 3rd edition kernel: https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.75.5409 I don't know how obsolete this is for the current versions of plan9. https://github.com/Plan9-Archive/

Re: [9fans] Plan9 multi-core support

A big reason for doing Plan 9, as the linked article says right up top, was supporting multi{core|processor} machines. And that took some research because there really hadn't been that many around to write OSes for before then. Some novel work resulted, work that still has relevance. -rob On Sun

Re: [9fans] Plan9 multi-core support

Quoth dusan3...@gmail.com: > Does plan9 have multi-core support? If it does, how does it manage it (what > files/man pages/docs do I read). If it doesn't have, how would I implement > it. read: https://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/4th_edition/papers/9 and once again, read: https://www.mikeash.com/getti

[9fans] Plan9 multi-core support

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Re: [9fans] plan9 in 2023 - which edition, fork, distro and what host

https://fqa.9front.org the official site has a good walkthrough. Here are some people who have setup T430s http://plan9.stanleylieber.com/hardware/thinkpad/t430/ -thedæmon --- Original Message --- On Tuesday, August 1st, 2023 at 1:14 PM, will.s...@gmail.com wrote: > Cool. I'll give

Re: [9fans] plan9 in 2023 - which edition, fork, distro and what host

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Re: [9fans] plan9 in 2023 - which edition, fork, distro and what host

Quoth will.s...@gmail.com: > Well, it's time for my every handful of years dive into plan 9. In 2023, > what's the best (most current) source for the distro and is it best practice > to install it on hardware (RPI or other) or in a VM (which)? I'd like the > mouse to work and the network... As u

Re: [9fans] plan9 in 2023 - which edition, fork, distro and what host

I think the cleanest current setup is VirtualBox for your CPU/Auth servers and Disk, and 9vx for your terminal. Super fast and easy. DOn Jul 26, 2023, at 7:36 PM, will.s...@gmail.com wrote: Well, it's time for my every handful of years dive into plan 9. In 2023, what's the best (most current) sour

[9fans] plan9 in 2023 - which edition, fork, distro and what host

Well, it's time for my every handful of years dive into plan 9. In 2023, what's the best (most current) source for the distro and is it best practice to install it on hardware (RPI or other) or in a VM (which)? I'd like the mouse to work and the network... As unflakily as possible 😀. Will ---

Re: [9fans] Plan9 and VMs

hi adr, did you get this going... i have a multitude wayz of running different flavas of Plan 9 --- which is now actually nearing (finally) competion and raking in the big bucks (euro airgead) as you call it... /c:21November2021@9pm approximately ps: what ever happened to the glenda space man (not

Re: [9fans] plan9 and touch screens

On 6/24/21, Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote: > Inferno can work quite comfortably with a touchscreen and a virtual > "bitsy" keyboard. It's a different user interface from rio, but not > horribly worse. Likely Plan 9 could be adapted to do the same. > And handwriting may have been discard

[9fans] plan9 and touch screens

fde...@fjrhome.net: > Either that or you would need to replace rio with something more > touchscreen-friendly, in the process losing much of what makes the Plan > 9 environment as unique as it is from a user interface perspective. > > Most "modern" phones also lack a suitable keyboard to provide

[9fans] #plan9 on libera.chat

Similarly: with Freenode having gone in a bad direction in the last month or so, #plan9, #plan9-gsoc, and #inferno have moved to libera.chat (the network started by most of the former Freenode staff before things went south). There’s a few dozen of us hanging out right now; stop by and say hi. I

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on Raspberry Pi 400?

Just wanted to update. I was able to download the new main.c and compile a new kernel. 4GB of ram is now recognized. Thank you! > On Jan 19, 2021, at 4:52 AM, Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote: > >> Sometimes I wish we'd stuck to the clunky original IBM 3270-style keyboard... > > My ra

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on Raspberry Pi 400?

> Sometimes I wish we'd stuck to the clunky original IBM 3270-style keyboard... My raspberry pi terminal is connected to an IBM Model M keyboard (the compact version without a separate number pad), which I expect will outlast me. I've never seen a pi400 but I don't imagine I would like it.

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on Raspberry Pi 400?

> fwiw, you're likely to get better results with > 9front help on 9fr...@9front.org. as long as rpi400 is involved this should be the best place, cause i don't think anybody has managed to send cinap a rpi400 yet -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.to

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on Raspberry Pi 400?

You'll be amazed how quickly you get used to not having the Caps Lock key causing you grief, as it then starts doing on every other platform. Except that Ctrl-A (well, Caps-Lock-A) then becomes a bit of a nightmare. And the Insert key as Expand is not my favourite, either. Erik Quanstrom long ago

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on Raspberry Pi 400?

On 18/01/2021, Mack Wallace wrote: > the Caps Lock and Num Lock keys not functioning. (The caps lock acts like a > control key, num-lock does nothing - I presume it’s a mapping issue). Yeah, they're not supposed to work; see keyboard(6). I don't know the reason; either someone just didn't like lo

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on Raspberry Pi 400?

Quoth Mack Wallace : > I have a 9front server - I had tried compiling a new kernel (of the 9front > variety) there, but with lackluster results (i.e. kernel panic) on the Pi. fwiw, you're likely to get better results with 9front help on 9fr...@9front.org. ---

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on Raspberry Pi 400?

Thank you Michael for the kernel, it worked well. Skip for your config.txt, and certainly Richard for all your efforts porting 9 to the pi, and trying to keep it up to date. I have a 9front server - I had tried compiling a new kernel (of the 9front variety) there, but with lackluster results (

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on Raspberry Pi 400?

> I did notice, that Richards image that I have, seems to only recognize 1GB of > ram. I put a new contrib/miller/9/bcm/main.c on 9p.io which should correct that. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T0178132f3d2ed689-M07359

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on Raspberry Pi 400?

I went down the eeprom rabbithole a bit. To access and manipulate RPI4's eeprom directly, Plan 9 would need to support a device like /dev/vchiq (VideoCore interface) on Linux: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/blob/rpi-3.2.27/drivers/misc/vc04_services/interface/vchiq_arm/vchiq_arm.c#L334 The

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on Raspberry Pi 400?

I believe all it takes is the presence of recover.bin file on the dos partition. You still need an updated eeprom image for it to flash the real eeprom with but preparing this image doesn't require any h/w access. Unless things have changed in the last year. > On Jan 16, 2021, at 1:24 PM, Skip Ta

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on Raspberry Pi 400?

regarding /dev/serial, this should be helpful for anyone wanting to set up netboot. If you have a number of RPI's that netboot, the way that the common config.txt is segmented for each board is by using the '[serial number in hex]' section headers. Unfortunately, netboot also requires changing the

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on Raspberry Pi 400?

> I didn't realise the 9pi image was not up to date. > I'll put a new one on 9p.io today. I've done that. Sorry for letting it get out of sync with the kernel source. The new contrib/miller/9pi.img.gz has - the latest firmware files from the raspberry pi github - the update to initialise xhci fir

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on Raspberry Pi 400?

To clarify, I build 9pi locally from the latest version of sources. On Thu, Jan 14, 2021, 5:15 PM Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > I'm using a RPi400 with Richard's port. I'm netbooting without issues and > up for days. The only issue I had was forgetting to set 'enable_gic=1' as > Richard instructed

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on Raspberry Pi 400?

> On 16 Jan 2021, at 11:24, Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote: > >> I built the 9pi4 kernel from Richard's sources and it works on my Pi400 (and >> Pi4B 8GB) > > Thanks Michael, I didn't realise the 9pi image was not up to date. I think that's the reason for the USB problems on the Pi

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on Raspberry Pi 400?

> I built the 9pi4 kernel from Richard's sources and it works on my Pi400 (and > Pi4B 8GB) Thanks Michael, I didn't realise the 9pi image was not up to date. I'll put a new one on 9p.io today. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on Raspberry Pi 400?

Here's the config.txt that I use for my rpi400 (it's on the file server and handed to rpi via tftp): start_file=start4cd.elf fixup_file=fixup4cd.dat cmdline=xxx/cmdline.txt kernel=arm/9pi4 gpu_mem=16 hdmi_group=2 hdmi_mode=82 core_freq=250 enable_gic=1 device_tree= On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 10

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on Raspberry Pi 400?

USB boot is supposed to work on pi400 as well so I thought there would be no need for any firmware loading > On Jan 15, 2021, at 2:52 PM, Michael Engel wrote: > > I assume loading the firmware via Linux first won't help since a PCIe reset > probably also > resets the USB controller. > >

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on Raspberry Pi 400?

I built the 9pi4 kernel from Richard's sources and it works on my Pi400 (and Pi4B 8GB) with Richard's SD card image (didn't test 9front). Please feel free to test it, I uploaded the kernel to: https://multicores.org/9/9pi4 (simply copy the file to the FAT partition of the SD card) The md5sum i

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on Raspberry Pi 400?

I did try to boot into Linux and then d a soft reset into Plan9. Still the same thing, no USB. I tried booting from the on-board card slot, and then as I soft rebooted, swapped out the card. As well as booted Raspian off of a microSD adapter and after booting, put the plan 9 card in the on-board

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on Raspberry Pi 400?

I assume loading the firmware via Linux first won't help since a PCIe reset probably also resets the USB controller. However, I just checked Richard's kernel source and it seems the firmware loading functionality is already included, there is a call to xhcireset(BUSBNO(hp->tbdf)<<20 |

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on Raspberry Pi 400?

Can you netboot Linux followed by netbooting Paln9 and have a working USB? > On Jan 15, 2021, at 1:17 PM, Michael Engel wrote: > > Hi, > > I didn't test Plan 9 on my RPi 400 so far, but I think the reason for the USB > problems > is the following: > > The Raspberry Pi 400 (along with the Com

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on Raspberry Pi 400?

Might as well note here that the USB on the CM4 is the USB-C on the 4B. A found (just now) forum thread confirms that the CM4 actually has an XHCI and just doesn't expose it at all. Nothing on this in the datasheet. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on Raspberry Pi 400?

Hi, I didn't test Plan 9 on my RPi 400 so far, but I think the reason for the USB problems is the following: The Raspberry Pi 400 (along with the Compute Module 4 and the 8 GB RAM version of the RPI4) uses a new stepping C0 of the BCM2711. This version does not have a dedicated EEPROM for th

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on Raspberry Pi 400?

I took that microSD card that has the bootable image without USB and put it into a traditional Pi4. It boots on that without a problem and has mouse and keyboard. I notices that after the additional CPU cores are detected, that is mentions usb/hub… usb/kbd…. The image when booting on the Pi 400

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on Raspberry Pi 400?

Dear Skip, That pushed the ball forward significantly, but I still have issues. (But thank you, every little advancement helps.) So with that flag, I was able to get Richard’s port to boot into Glenda’s account (showing acme, faces, stats, etc). However, I do not seem to have any USB; no mouse;

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on Raspberry Pi 400?

I'm using a RPi400 with Richard's port. I'm netbooting without issues and up for days. The only issue I had was forgetting to set 'enable_gic=1' as Richard instructed in the sources. Pi4 works ok without it, pi400 doesn't. On Thu, Jan 14, 2021, 3:39 PM Mack Wallace wrote: > Thank you for the r

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on Raspberry Pi 400?

Thank you for the reply Stuart, but no luck. I did download Mr. Miller’s image. It would not boot at all until I replaced the files that you mention, but the kernel in that image locks up after detecting the fourth core of the CPU. However, from that failure I learned that those files, (start_c

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on Raspberry Pi 400?

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[9fans] Plan9 on Raspberry Pi 400?

I recently purchased a Raspberry Pi 400, which is supposed to be a Raspberry Pi 4 already inside a keyboard. I thought it would be great to get a plan 9 terminal on it. However, I am having some trouble; and I don’t know if it is specific to the Pi 400, myself, or both. The Pi 400 is the Raspbe

Re: [9fans] Plan9 and Inferno and the JS VM

On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 04:42:02PM +0100, Pouya Tafti wrote: > > > On Tue, 17 Nov 2020, at 15:06, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote: > > Fabrice Bellard has developed a VM in JavaScript (!!!) allowing to > > run an OS in a browser. See: https://bellard.org/jslinux/ > > > > This was brought to my attent

Re: [9fans] Plan9 and Inferno and the JS VM

On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 04:35:23PM +0100, hiro wrote: > i'm slightly disappointed that you're booting alpine and not plan9 in there > "I" am not booting anything: I'm riding piggy-back on JSLinux: I just added kerTeX on top of this and, FWIW, the union of the filesystems is done with the 9P proto

Re: [9fans] Plan9 and Inferno and the JS VM

On Tue, 17 Nov 2020, at 15:06, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote: > Fabrice Bellard has developed a VM in JavaScript (!!!) allowing to > run an OS in a browser. See: https://bellard.org/jslinux/ > > This was brought to my attention by a teacher wanting to teach TeX and > litterate programming to studen

Re: [9fans] Plan9 and Inferno and the JS VM

i'm slightly disappointed that you're booting alpine and not plan9 in there my biggest gripe: the delays - those draws are lagging behind my physical mouse by nearly a second. and i'm not too far, it seems we're all only 2ms away from the same locations in france. (that's 28ms total from here). i

[9fans] Plan9 and Inferno and the JS VM

Fabrice Bellard has developed a VM in JavaScript (!!!) allowing to run an OS in a browser. See: https://bellard.org/jslinux/ This was brought to my attention by a teacher wanting to teach TeX and litterate programming to students without the need for them to install anything. This is done for kerT

Re: [9fans] plan9 vs aout

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Re: [9fans] plan9 vs aout

I have now added 2 more branches for reference from the updated port of gcc and binutils to i386-plan9 from https://marcus.biz.tm/jail/ : binutils-2_22-plan9 gcc-4.8-plan9 Hopefully there are some clues there to help making a working current i386-plan9 cross compiler. On Tue, Jun 02, 2020 at

[9fans] plan9 vs aout

Dear all, First a bit of background: I am currently attempting to update the old i386-plan9 target for binutils/gcc in order to generate a modern cross compiler targeting plan9. I have extracted the changes done to gcc 3.0 and binutils 2.11.2 from: https://9p.io/sources/extra/gcc/ My binutils an

Re: [9fans] Plan9 and Pine

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020, at 7:46 PM, Thaddeus Woskowiak wrote: > KDE Plasma > uses a different input method meaning drawterm does not trigger the > onscreen keyboard. You can use Plan 9's onscreen keyboard: rio -k bitsy/keyboard bitsy/keyboard has a scribble area which can be turned off with -n. Se

Re: [9fans] Plan9 and Pine

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 1:53 AM Romano wrote: > > I am new to Plan9, but just as another data point, there was also > drawterm-android2 in the Plan9-Archive on github. I tried this past weekend > to get it up and running on an android emulator using Android Studio, but > wasn't very familiar wi

Re: [9fans] Plan9 and Pine

I am new to Plan9, but just as another data point, there was also drawterm-android2 in the Plan9-Archive on github. I tried this past weekend to get it up and running on an android emulator using Android Studio, but wasn't very familiar with Android Studio or the modifications necessary for draw

Re: [9fans] Plan9 and Pine

Thanks everyone for the ideas, background and links to add to my research. Cheers, Chris -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tca918503d5b19459-Ma961623aed6f9538e324bc9e Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fan

Re: [9fans] Plan9 and Pine

> re: Ori. I understood OP to be talking about doing a new, phone-specific UI. Yes. I think it's doable. It just needs someone to do the doing. >From what I recall, there's even an android drawterm that can be used to prototype it without first getting hardware support -- though I can't vouch fo

Re: [9fans] Plan9 and Pine

The ipaq/bitsy had no shortage of buttons round the case, several of which were convenient when holding with one hand and using the stylus with the other, so chording was possible. On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 2:27 AM andrey mirtchovski wrote: > unfortunately i don't remember anymore how many buttons

Re: [9fans] Plan9 and Pine

this would be easy with a stylus on a resistive touchscreen and a few well-placed physical buttons. on a progressive^Winaccurate touchscreen with no buttons, what changes would be required? strictly speaking, none at all: i've used plan 9 over vnc from my tablet with various interfaces. it's no

Re: [9fans] Plan9 and Pine

re: Ori. I understood OP to be talking about doing a new, phone-specific UI. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tca918503d5b19459-M1888d7610bfd5b2e63cb5821 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscripti

Re: [9fans] Plan9 and Pine

unfortunately i don't remember anymore how many buttons were involved. nobody cared to take videos. i mostly used it with the stylus.. On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 5:56 PM wrote: > > 3rd ed ran on the bitsy, we had one at LANL: > > > > https://plan9.io/wiki/plan9/Installation_on_Ipaq/index.html > > >

Re: [9fans] Plan9 and Pine

> 3rd ed ran on the bitsy, we had one at LANL: > > https://plan9.io/wiki/plan9/Installation_on_Ipaq/index.html > > t'was ok. How was the UI's reliance on chording and middle/right button usage dealt with? That's what I see as the biggest challenge for working well on phones. --

Re: [9fans] Plan9 and Pine

a lot of the games you find in the games folder were ported by me from bitblt to draw. jmk fished them out from the 2nd ed. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tca918503d5b19459-M616081e7dda041b0fb54563b Delivery options: http

Re: [9fans] Plan9 and Pine

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Re: [9fans] Plan9 and Pine

3rd ed ran on the bitsy, we had one at LANL: https://plan9.io/wiki/plan9/Installation_on_Ipaq/index.html t'was ok. On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 3:04 PM Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > > Don't forget 2ed ran on the ipaq (aka bitsy). > > How much of the UI support survived the 2ed -> 3ed rewrites I don't

Re: [9fans] Plan9 and Pine

Don't forget 2ed ran on the ipaq (aka bitsy). How much of the UI support survived the 2ed -> 3ed rewrites I don't know. But reading through the 2ed source might be enlightening. --lyndon -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/

Re: [9fans] Plan9 and Pine

> Perhaps this is an opportunity for the Plan 9 community to think what it > would mean to run in a phone form factor. From my experience with the > different phone OSes, there's quite a bit of similarity (home screens, > grids of "apps"). Fundamentally, there's nothing about the building blocks i

Re: [9fans] Plan9 and Pine

Hello Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 04:20:19PM -0400, Chris McGee wrote: > > Perhaps this is an opportunity for the Plan 9 community to think what it > > would mean to run in a phone form factor. > > https://github.com/floren/hellaphone > and > https://github.com/bhgv/Inferno-OS-

Re: [9fans] Plan9 and Pine

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 04:20:19PM -0400, Chris McGee wrote: > Hello All, > > I'm not sure how many on here are aware of the Pine SBC's. There are a few > different variants of those. Now there are even pre-built laptops and a > phone. There is a plan for a tablet too. https://www.pine64.org/ I h

Re: [9fans] Plan9 and Pine

> then we have a hardware line capable of running it There was never any reason why whoever wanted to do phone stuff couldn't just run 9vx on those Atom phones from Lenovo. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tca918503d5b1945

[9fans] Plan9 and Pine

Hello All, I'm not sure how many on here are aware of the Pine SBC's. There are a few different variants of those. Now there are even pre-built laptops and a phone. There is a plan for a tablet too. https://www.pine64.org/ >From what I can tell the hardware is well documented, inexpensive and wel

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on virtual machine in Mac os

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, at 9:30 PM, Nicolas S. Montanaro wrote: > VMware works excellently with 9front on macOS. No quirks - just install > as usual. 9vx doesn't even require installation as such, which is nice but doesn't matter so much in the long term. (but i did have trouble getting vmware its

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on virtual machine in Mac os

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, at 8:11 PM, Brian L. Stuart wrote: > On Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 02:02:40 PM EDT, Ethan Gardener > wrote: > > i still miss 9vx. it was so convenient when it > > worked. fun too; i had it full-screened in a little > > ... > > Was? I still use it everyday. It's my primary >

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on virtual machine in Mac os

Harassing part costs extra :) On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:36 PM Mark Everett wrote: > Thanks to all. I appreciate your support. And its nice to find a forum > where everyone isn’t harassing….. > > — Mark > > > On Mar 25, 2020, at 2:44 AM, Cyber Fonic wrote: > > As for strings to pull, try: > > St

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on virtual machine in Mac os

Thanks to all. I appreciate your support. And its nice to find a forum where everyone isn’t harassing….. — Mark > On Mar 25, 2020, at 2:44 AM, Cyber Fonic wrote: > > As for strings to pull, try: > > String 1 > > String 2

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on virtual machine in Mac os

VMware works excellently with 9front on macOS. No quirks - just install as usual. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Ta7f245368d4d10b8-Meef6e446c0fd7f069463db66 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscr

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on virtual machine in Mac os

9legacy.org has readymade images to run on qemu and GCE. http://9legacy.org/download.html On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 6:34 PM Mark Everett wrote: > Mostly a lurker so far, but wanted to try the actual system rather than > plan9port. But sometimes getting actual hardware up an running is a steep >

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on virtual machine in Mac os

On Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 02:02:40 PM EDT, Ethan Gardener wrote: > i still miss 9vx. it was so convenient when it > worked. fun too; i had it full-screened in a little > ... Was? I still use it everyday. It's my primary terminal. I have it take the root from my file server when I'm on my ho

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on virtual machine in Mac os

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, at 6:39 AM, Cyber Fonic wrote: > I have been using Russ Cox's 9vx on OS/X Mavericks > with considerable success. The only issue being that I need to connect a > Logitech 3 button mouse via a Unifying RF dongle (BlueTooth mice don't work > for me).

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on virtual machine in Mac os

On Mar 25, 2020, at 3:32 AM, Mark Everett wrote: > > Does anyone know of a virtual machine running on current Mac OS that hosts > plan9? Preferably one that isn’t too difficult to set up…. Hi Mark, I run both 9front and 9legacy on macOS with Qemu. The installation of qemu 4.2.0 was a breeze

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on virtual machine in Mac os

As for strings to pull, try: String 1 String 2 Hope that helps ! It's where I launched my research from. On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 at 12:33, Mark Everett wrote: > Mostly a lurker so far, but wanted to try the actual system rat

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on virtual machine in Mac os

I have been using Russ Cox's 9vx on OS/X Mavericks with considerable success. The only issue being that I need to connect a Logitech 3 button mouse via a Unifying RF dongle (BlueTooth mice don't work for me). Although 9vx is somewhat minimal, I download sources as I requi

[9fans] Plan9 on virtual machine in Mac os

Mostly a lurker so far, but wanted to try the actual system rather than plan9port. But sometimes getting actual hardware up an running is a steep first step :-) Does anyone know of a virtual machine running on current Mac OS that hosts plan9? Preferably one that isn’t too difficult to set up…

Re: [9fans] Plan9 complete source for raspberry pi

> Please share any build commands in order to build Plan9 for RaspberryPi 3B. Hi Prakash, I'll get in touch with you off-list to help with this. -- Richard -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tc03e4f58c9593f0e-Md84f56c7fdc

Re: [9fans] Plan9 complete source for raspberry pi

Hi Richard, I am reading the code for ether4330.c and emmc.c for many days. I tried to port it on bare metal it didn't work for me till now.  I would like to build the plan9 with your bcm sources and do some logging inorder fix things in my code. For instance, the interrupt handler in emmc.c i

Re: [9fans] Plan9 complete source for raspberry pi

If it's the original Plan 9 from Bell Labs that you want, another option is to grab the SD card image from https://9p.io/sources/contrib/miller/9pi.img.gz and install it on a Raspberry Pi. Source for the whole system is included. The only pi-specific part is in the kernel directory /sys/src/9/bcm,

Re: [9fans] Plan9 complete source for raspberry pi

Hm, I just realized you did not ask about plan9port but about the plan9 port. Sorry for the confusion. On 3/19/20, fge...@gmail.com wrote: > It's the same for all architectures and operating systems. > Just follow instructions on the plan9port page: > https://9fans.github.io/plan9port/ > > If tha

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