Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-02 Thread Roderick
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018, hiro wrote: which plan9, did you try 9front? The original from Bell Labs. I had it installed in a very old computer, but in newer ones hopeless. Is 9front less selective? Rodrigo

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-02 Thread Lucio De Re
> also, if there's enough interest, would there be someone out here > capable enough to support netbsd-amd64? I haven't got around to installing p9p on my fresh NetBSD/64 system yet, for now it is just a PostgreSQL host. But I can help and I may just need a shove to get on with things. No big

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-02 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
On Tue, Oct 02, 2018 at 02:43:51PM +0200, Lucio De Re wrote: > How soon would you start needing some form of support back-up? > > It's a little random around these places, which is why promises are > hard to keep. no worries, i am thinking of sticking with linux, it's the most well supported

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-02 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
On Tue, Oct 02, 2018 at 02:01:12PM +0200, Lucio De Re wrote: > > also, if there's enough interest, would there be someone out here > > capable enough to support netbsd-amd64? > > [snip] > But I can help and I may just need a shove to get on with things. by shove, do you mean a reminder? if yes,

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-02 Thread Roderick
I think it is uninteresting: one can always install plan9port in a meager installation of openbsd, freebsd or linux. More interesting is to have the original plan9 and perhaps a virtual machine on it to run one of the above OS and their software. Unfortunately I am having problems installing

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-02 Thread Lucio De Re
How soon would you start needing some form of support back-up? It's a little random around these places, which is why promises are hard to keep. Lucio.

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-02 Thread Dave MacFarlane
What do you mean by "a complete, installable system for plan9ports"? If you mean one that uses p9p in place of gnu utils, that's something I've thought about trying to do before, but I'd suggest taking it one step further and seeing if you could use a 9p root filesystem and see how far you can

[9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-02 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
i had been trying to work with a collaborator to develop a complete, installable system for plan9port. while initially being quite gung-ho about linux, an accidental discovery and ensuing experiements show the freebsd environment to be a lot more performant and responsive, almost as much as

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-02 Thread Iruatã Souza
On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 8:57 AM Roderick wrote: > > > I think it is uninteresting: one can always install plan9port in a > meager installation of openbsd, freebsd or linux. > > More interesting is to have the original plan9 and perhaps a virtual > machine on it to run one of the above OS and their

Re: [9fans] renaming rio to rioc!

2018-10-02 Thread Ethan Gardener
On Tue, Oct 2, 2018, at 3:28 PM, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > since it's not the original rio in plan9port, how about renaming it to > rioc (rio clone)? Why? :) I can think of a good reason, but why don't you say why you want to do it? Just feelings of what is right and wrong? Personally, my own

[9fans] renaming rio to rioc!

2018-10-02 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
since it's not the original rio in plan9port, how about renaming it to rioc (rio clone)? ~mayuresh

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-02 Thread Steve Simon
maybe this is what you meant, but the glendix project was this - approximately. Steve > On 2 Oct 2018, at 6:22 pm, Bakul Shah wrote: > > > >> On Oct 2, 2018, at 7:41 AM, Dave MacFarlane wrote: >> >> see how far you can take the per process >> namespaces of Linux >> to make it feel like

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-02 Thread Ethan Gardener
On Tue, Oct 2, 2018, at 3:41 PM, Dave MacFarlane wrote: > What do you mean by "a complete, installable system for plan9ports"? That's my question too! > If you mean one that uses p9p in place of gnu utils, that's something > I've thought about > trying to do before, but I'd suggest taking it one

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-02 Thread Bakul Shah
> On Oct 2, 2018, at 7:41 AM, Dave MacFarlane wrote: > > see how far you can take the per process > namespaces of Linux > to make it feel like Plan 9. (AFAIK, that wouldn't be possible with > NetBSD or FreeBSD, but > I might be mistaken..) Adding per process namespaces to *BSD would be a

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-02 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Tue, Oct 02, 2018 at 08:10:19PM +0200, hiro wrote: > why do you use the past tense about glendix? is it finished? I have a kid in the second grade who was born after the last time anyone worked on Glendix. khm

Re: [9fans] renaming rio to rioc!

2018-10-02 Thread hiro
drawterm runs on linux and has a draw device implementation already...

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-02 Thread hiro
why do you use the past tense about glendix? is it finished? On 10/2/18, Steve Simon wrote: > maybe this is what you meant, but the glendix project was this - > approximately. > > Steve > >> On 2 Oct 2018, at 6:22 pm, Bakul Shah wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Oct 2, 2018, at 7:41 AM, Dave MacFarlane

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-02 Thread hiro
which plan9, did you try 9front? On 10/2/18, Roderick wrote: > > I think it is uninteresting: one can always install plan9port in a > meager installation of openbsd, freebsd or linux. > > More interesting is to have the original plan9 and perhaps a virtual > machine on it to run one of the above

Re: [9fans] plan 9 : any pager?

2018-10-02 Thread Nick Owens
the pager is p(1). On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 8:22 PM Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > > Turn off the scroll in the rio window that the shell is running in, then cat > the file. > > > On Tue, Oct 2, 2018, 8:15 PM Mayuresh Kathe wrote: >> >> did plan 9 have any pager? or did every text file to be read had

Re: [9fans] rio : not completely rio-like : advice from packard!

2018-10-02 Thread Ori Bernstein
On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 08:25:04 +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > hi, > > i just read that the rio in plan9port doesn't behave completely like the > rio in plan 9 because of problems inherent in x11/xorg. > > could someone who understands x11/xorg well enough to have worked on > developing or

[9fans] plan 9 : any pager?

2018-10-02 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
did plan 9 have any pager? or did every text file to be read had to be opened in acme or a similar tool? btw, is there any pager under plan9port? didn't know what to search for, hence couldn't find any. thanks, ~mayuresh

Re: [9fans] plan 9 : any pager?

2018-10-02 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
Turn off the scroll in the rio window that the shell is running in, then cat the file. On Tue, Oct 2, 2018, 8:15 PM Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > did plan 9 have any pager? or did every text file to be read had to be > opened in acme or a similar tool? > > btw, is there any pager under plan9port?

Re: [9fans] plan 9 : any pager?

2018-10-02 Thread Alexander Kapshuk
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 6:16 AM Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > > did plan 9 have any pager? or did every text file to be read had to be > opened in acme or a similar tool? > > btw, is there any pager under plan9port? didn't know what to search for, > hence couldn't find any. > > thanks, > > ~mayuresh > >

Re: [9fans] plan 9 : any pager?

2018-10-02 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
thanks nick. On Tue, Oct 02, 2018 at 08:23:47PM -0700, Nick Owens wrote: > the pager is p(1). > On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 8:22 PM Skip Tavakkolian > wrote: > > > > Turn off the scroll in the rio window that the shell is running in, then > > cat the file. > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 2, 2018, 8:15 PM

[9fans] rio : not completely rio-like : advice from packard!

2018-10-02 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
hi, i just read that the rio in plan9port doesn't behave completely like the rio in plan 9 because of problems inherent in x11/xorg. could someone who understands x11/xorg well enough to have worked on developing or enhancing rio under plan9ports please communicate with keith packard? he's the

Re: [9fans] [ot] the unix philosophy : how useful under plan9?

2018-10-02 Thread hiro
yes, though i'd say also the opposite: unix philosophy can be understood best through experience with plan9, also reading plan9 documentation.