Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-04 Thread Bakul Shah
On Oct 3, 2018, at 8:44 PM, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > > aram, by a complete, installable system for plan9port, i meant a > distribution running the linux kernel, bionic, plan9port, minimal xorg. > that distribution would be bootable off a usb disk and can be installed > to your harddisk like any

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-04 Thread sl

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-04 Thread hiro
feel free to build your own community based on ignoring things. there's a lot to learn from one another, and you can overcome bad emotions with long-term technical acchievements, passion and friendship.

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-04 Thread Steven Stallion
Communication is not a zero-sum game. Having a public mailing list is an invitation for discussion amongst likeminded individuals, not elitist fuckery. On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 3:50 PM hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > > just add something positive then >

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-04 Thread Aram Hăvărneanu
> given the attitudes that seem so prevalent these days. You are mistaken, it has always been like this. -- Aram Hăvărneanu

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-04 Thread Alexander Keller
Don't worry, these arguments happen, have happened, and will continue. Ham radio for example has the saying, "The only thing two hams can agree on is the third is a fool." The only difference is that text divorces empathy from the discussion. Best way to help, if you don't think someone's idea

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-04 Thread hiro
just add something positive then

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-04 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
Based on my personal observations of extermist behavior of various sort (social, technical, religious), I think we can look forward to bifurcation adinfinitum until the last man. On this subject, if someone wants to do something for his/her own pleasure and edification, I can't see what harm it

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-04 Thread Steven Stallion
I'm beginning to wonder if anyone is left that isn't part of 9front? This behavior is caustic and does nothing but continue to shrink the size of this list. At this point, I'm considering dropping off as others have given the attitudes that seem so prevalent these days. On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 1:05

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-04 Thread Aram Hăvărneanu
OH MY GOD, I installed plan9port so hard right now. -- Aram Hăvărneanu

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-04 Thread Steve Simon
good grief guys. can we all just play nice? there no need to get personal, if you don't like an idea say so an explain why. if you cannot be bothered to be grown up, then just keep quiet. -Steve

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-04 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Thu, Oct 04, 2018 at 11:33:33AM +0100, Rui Carmo wrote: > > Regular aggressive is taking things outside the realm of civilised discourse, > which is easy to do behind a keyboard, since being irate at abstract things > seems to be a slippery slope when removed from regular human contact. Nah,

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-04 Thread hiro
the longer you argue here the harder it will be for you to find time to proves us all wrong.

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-04 Thread Iruatã Souza
On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 3:35 AM Rui Carmo wrote: > > I’ll bite, partially because I’m used to finding resistance to exploratory > ideas and learning paths, but mostly because I find this kind of passionate, > biased argument fascinating in tech contexts... > > > On 4 Oct 2018, at 09:50, Kurt H

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-04 Thread Rui Carmo
I’ll bite, partially because I’m used to finding resistance to exploratory ideas and learning paths, but mostly because I find this kind of passionate, biased argument fascinating in tech contexts... > On 4 Oct 2018, at 09:50, Kurt H Maier wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 04, 2018 at 08:50:35AM +0100,

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-04 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Thu, Oct 04, 2018 at 08:50:35AM +0100, Rui Carmo wrote: > I wouldn’t allow the passive-aggressive mood that surfaces here from > time to time to turn me off the project. How about regular aggressive? Starting with "what project?" We're gonna slap down an alpine rootfs and throw plan9port

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-04 Thread Ethan Gardener
On Thu, Oct 4, 2018, at 8:50 AM, Rui Carmo wrote: > I wouldn’t allow the passive-aggressive mood that surfaces here from > time to time to turn me off the project. > > That said, I’m fascinated by how often (and how quickly) some threads > devolve into “there is no point in doing that” or “we

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-04 Thread Ethan Gardener
On Thu, Oct 4, 2018, at 4:44 AM, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 11:23:45PM +0200, Aram Hăvărneanu wrote: > > > i had been trying to work with a collaborator to develop a complete, > > > installable system for plan9port. > > > > Plan9port is already installable. > > aram, by a

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-04 Thread Rui Carmo
I wouldn’t allow the passive-aggressive mood that surfaces here from time to time to turn me off the project. That said, I’m fascinated by how often (and how quickly) some threads devolve into “there is no point in doing that” or “we don’t need those modern contraptions” arguments - reminds

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-04 Thread Aram Hăvărneanu
On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 5:49 AM, wrote: > what is the point of this exercise? > To appear stupid, apparently, -- Aram Hăvărneanu

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-03 Thread Iruatã Souza
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 10:15 PM Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 11:49:19PM -0400, s...@9front.org wrote: > > what is the point of this exercise? > > to provide an easy to install plan9port based system. > > I suggest you check this list's archives first.

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-03 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 11:49:19PM -0400, s...@9front.org wrote: > what is the point of this exercise? to provide an easy to install plan9port based system.

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-03 Thread sl
what is the point of this exercise? sl

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-03 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 11:23:45PM +0200, Aram Hăvărneanu wrote: > > i had been trying to work with a collaborator to develop a complete, > > installable system for plan9port. > > Plan9port is already installable. aram, by a complete, installable system for plan9port, i meant a distribution

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-03 Thread Aram Hăvărneanu
> i had been trying to work with a collaborator to develop a complete, > installable system for plan9port. Plan9port is already installable. -- Aram Hăvărneanu

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-02 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Tue, Oct 02, 2018 at 08:10:19PM +0200, hiro wrote: > why do you use the past tense about glendix? is it finished? I have a kid in the second grade who was born after the last time anyone worked on Glendix. khm

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-02 Thread hiro
why do you use the past tense about glendix? is it finished? On 10/2/18, Steve Simon wrote: > maybe this is what you meant, but the glendix project was this - > approximately. > > Steve > >> On 2 Oct 2018, at 6:22 pm, Bakul Shah wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Oct 2, 2018, at 7:41 AM, Dave MacFarlane

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-02 Thread Steve Simon
maybe this is what you meant, but the glendix project was this - approximately. Steve > On 2 Oct 2018, at 6:22 pm, Bakul Shah wrote: > > > >> On Oct 2, 2018, at 7:41 AM, Dave MacFarlane wrote: >> >> see how far you can take the per process >> namespaces of Linux >> to make it feel like

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-02 Thread Bakul Shah
> On Oct 2, 2018, at 7:41 AM, Dave MacFarlane wrote: > > see how far you can take the per process > namespaces of Linux > to make it feel like Plan 9. (AFAIK, that wouldn't be possible with > NetBSD or FreeBSD, but > I might be mistaken..) Adding per process namespaces to *BSD would be a

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-02 Thread Ethan Gardener
On Tue, Oct 2, 2018, at 3:41 PM, Dave MacFarlane wrote: > What do you mean by "a complete, installable system for plan9ports"? That's my question too! > If you mean one that uses p9p in place of gnu utils, that's something > I've thought about > trying to do before, but I'd suggest taking it one

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-02 Thread Iruatã Souza
On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 8:57 AM Roderick wrote: > > > I think it is uninteresting: one can always install plan9port in a > meager installation of openbsd, freebsd or linux. > > More interesting is to have the original plan9 and perhaps a virtual > machine on it to run one of the above OS and their

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-02 Thread Roderick
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018, hiro wrote: which plan9, did you try 9front? The original from Bell Labs. I had it installed in a very old computer, but in newer ones hopeless. Is 9front less selective? Rodrigo

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-02 Thread hiro
which plan9, did you try 9front? On 10/2/18, Roderick wrote: > > I think it is uninteresting: one can always install plan9port in a > meager installation of openbsd, freebsd or linux. > > More interesting is to have the original plan9 and perhaps a virtual > machine on it to run one of the above

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-02 Thread Dave MacFarlane
What do you mean by "a complete, installable system for plan9ports"? If you mean one that uses p9p in place of gnu utils, that's something I've thought about trying to do before, but I'd suggest taking it one step further and seeing if you could use a 9p root filesystem and see how far you can

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-02 Thread Roderick
I think it is uninteresting: one can always install plan9port in a meager installation of openbsd, freebsd or linux. More interesting is to have the original plan9 and perhaps a virtual machine on it to run one of the above OS and their software. Unfortunately I am having problems installing

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-02 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
On Tue, Oct 02, 2018 at 02:43:51PM +0200, Lucio De Re wrote: > How soon would you start needing some form of support back-up? > > It's a little random around these places, which is why promises are > hard to keep. no worries, i am thinking of sticking with linux, it's the most well supported

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-02 Thread Lucio De Re
How soon would you start needing some form of support back-up? It's a little random around these places, which is why promises are hard to keep. Lucio.

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-02 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
On Tue, Oct 02, 2018 at 02:01:12PM +0200, Lucio De Re wrote: > > also, if there's enough interest, would there be someone out here > > capable enough to support netbsd-amd64? > > [snip] > But I can help and I may just need a shove to get on with things. by shove, do you mean a reminder? if yes,

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

2018-10-02 Thread Lucio De Re
> also, if there's enough interest, would there be someone out here > capable enough to support netbsd-amd64? I haven't got around to installing p9p on my fresh NetBSD/64 system yet, for now it is just a PostgreSQL host. But I can help and I may just need a shove to get on with things. No big