Re: [9fans] A new age has arrived

2008-04-01 Thread Brian L. Stuart
i can sleep easier knowing that this technology has finally been accepted by the general public: It would appear their intent is that everyone sleep easier. What worries me is the inventory reduction. This OS is already very lean. I'm not sure what there is to reduce. BLS

Re: [9fans] Authentication questions

2008-05-05 Thread Brian L. Stuart
Once again, I find myself in the unhappy, but familiar, place of being befuddled by security/authentication. ... I know it's bad form to reply to your own question, but I've gotten a bit farther. I realized that /bin/service/tcp564 isn't the right way to go about it. After a good slap on the

Re: [9fans] Authentication questions

2008-05-06 Thread Brian L. Stuart
are you sure that both your auth server is running (look for results from 'ps | grep keyfs') and that you're running the network listener for it (service.auth/tcp567)? the connection refused says it's just They are. As it turns out, it was a combination of operator error and misleading

Re: [9fans] Authentication questions

2008-05-06 Thread Brian L. Stuart
As long as I'm at it, though, I've got a question about listen. It's filling a rather large logfile with lots of address in use errors. As I look into things, it appears that I'm starting listen both in /bin/cpurc and in /cfg/phantom/cpurc with the latter specifying the -t option. That

Re: [9fans] Authentication questions

2008-05-06 Thread Brian L. Stuart
I'm not sure about the usual way, but I've got the listens in cpurc commented out and rely only on entries in /cfg/whatever/cpustart. Sounds like there are several ways people handle this. For now at least, I'm going to go with my initial instinct and leave the listens commented out in cpurc

Re: [9fans] p9p/linux factotum port

2008-05-06 Thread Brian L. Stuart
is anyone already working on an factotum port to p9p or native Linux ? P9P already has factotum. BLS

Re: [9fans] v9fs/fossil oddity

2008-05-08 Thread Brian L. Stuart
-- Original message -- From: Eric Van Hensbergen [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Brian L. Stuart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - v9fs defines P9_OEXCL to be 4, where /sys/include/libc.h defines OEXCL to be 0x1000 Which version of v9fs

Re: [9fans] v9fs/fossil oddity

2008-05-08 Thread Brian L. Stuart
From: Brian L. Stuart [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Eric Van Hensbergen [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Brian L. Stuart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - v9fs defines P9_OEXCL to be 4, where /sys/include/libc.h defines OEXCL to be 0x1000 Which version of v9fs are you using

[9fans] P9P on Solaris

2008-05-13 Thread Brian L. Stuart
What compiler has been successfully used to build p9p on Solaris? I've got a Solaris 9 install and have tried the gcc 2.95 from the extras cd and Sun Studio 11 and both have heartburn on the anonymous unions and structs used in hfs.h in libdiskfs. Thanks, BLS

Re: [9fans] P9P on Solaris

2008-05-15 Thread Brian L. Stuart
I'm sorry about that. There aren't supposed to be anonymous unions and structs in the source code, but they creep in. I've removed them from hfs.h. Thanks, that got me farther. I was able to coerce it to build the libraries and some applications. But, surprise surprise, the threading

Re: [9fans] P9P on Solaris

2008-05-28 Thread Brian L. Stuart
That's probably because the stack pointer points at the wrong end of the stack. There are some magic #defines you can put in that change the meaning of ... Once you get the thread library working, you will probably have to add support for the Solaris FS to libdiskfs, unless it is the same

Re: [9fans] 9vx

2008-06-27 Thread Brian L. Stuart
So i realized I'm being foolish w.r.t my comments on i want my venti in the 9vx directory dd if=/dev/zero of=arenas bs=1048576 count=whatever do for index and bloom follow venti instructions. voila. Venti. Rinse and repeat for fossil. I haven't tried this yet, but is there any reason

Re: [9fans] 9vx

2008-06-27 Thread Brian L. Stuart
I haven't tried this yet, but is there any reason you couldn't put block special files for disk partitions in the 9vx directory and put the arenas, etc there, assuming of course all the permissions were set right? I'll probably give it a try later tonight unless someone yells Stop! You'll

Re: [9fans] 9vx on OpenBSD-4.3

2008-07-10 Thread Brian L. Stuart
Me again - Were you successfull in porting 9vx to OpenBSD? If you need some testing help, contact me. Speaking of that, does anyone have an idea where NetBSD would fit into that? Of the bunch, that's the one I've used most and have deployed in the most places. I would think there would be

Re: [9fans] 9vx on OpenBSD-4.3

2008-07-10 Thread Brian L. Stuart
i'm interested in netbsd as a replacement for linux to serve 9p in small ARM machines... i could use this Why not Inferno? (Native or hosted) uriel thanks, i'd overlooked that option I must say though that having to re-target to limbo is a minus. Is there a 'plan9 c' to dis

[9fans] Corrupted meta data

2008-07-16 Thread Brian L. Stuart
How do you remove a file with corrupted meta data? I was in 9vx and trying to recompile a kernel so I could get a boot file with the local method and it locked. After I killed 9vx and started it up again, I can't mk because main.8 has corrupted meta data. check in fossilcons reports it, but

Re: [9fans] Corrupted meta data

2008-07-17 Thread Brian L. Stuart
Can you clri the file from fossilcons? Unfortunately, that just reports the corrupted meta data too. Interestingly, when I started it up this morning, the check didn't report an error with it. But then after trying to access it, check now reports: error: could not unpack meta block:

Re: [9fans] Corrupted meta data

2008-07-17 Thread Brian L. Stuart
Your best bet is probably to clri /active/sys/src/9/pc and not look back. clri /active/sys/src/9/pc no_lb_mode = 1 ; It is happy now. It's more likely in a bad loop somewhere. Is it repeatedly doing I/O during the 100% cpu? I don't honestly know. Next time it happens, I'll check and see.

Re: [9fans] Corrupted meta data

2008-07-17 Thread Brian L. Stuart
It's more likely in a bad loop somewhere. Is it repeatedly doing I/O during the 100% cpu? It just locked again. Here's what I'm seeing. In top, the first thread is using 100% of the CPU and all the other threads are in the S state with no run time. I don't see any indications either in

[9fans] 9vx and local file systems

2008-07-18 Thread Brian L. Stuart
A little while back Russ suggested that someone might want to look into making 9vx boot using a native fossil/venti file system partition for root. For anyone who's interested, as of this morning, that is working. It's a little kludgy in places, but mostly it's not too bad. When I've cleaned it

Re: [9fans] 9vx and local file systems

2008-07-18 Thread Brian L. Stuart
- boot/boot did bad things if the localroot wasn't set, so when using boot/boot it's now . What bad things did it do? The code is supposed to cope gracefully with localroot == nil. I'd rather fix the code that couldn't cope. Ah, that means I need to remember. As you get older, one of

Re: [9fans] 9vx and local file systems

2008-07-23 Thread Brian L. Stuart
- boot/boot did bad things if the localroot wasn't set, so when using boot/boot it's now . I think this is fixed in hg now. I found one place where localroot was going to be used even though it shouldn't. Yes, that seems to work correctly now. I'm beginning to think the lock-ups

Re: [9fans] 9vx and local file systems

2008-07-24 Thread Brian L. Stuart
The changes I mentioned earlier that allow 9vx to use a local disk partition as root are ready for advised* public consumption. I've put everything up on the page: http://umdrive.memphis.edu/blstuart/9vx/local9vx.html Russ, if you want to consider these for inclusion in the main tree, you can

Re: [9fans] 9vx and local file systems

2008-07-24 Thread Brian L. Stuart
Geoff has pointed out to me that I made a mistake in typing the URL in my last message. It should be: http://umdrive.memphis.edu/blstuart/htdocs/9vx/local9vx.html I left the htdocs out of it the first time. Sorry for any confusion. BLS

[9fans] Mirrorarenas in p9p

2008-07-31 Thread Brian L. Stuart
I'm running a p9p venti server under Linux using several (small by current standards) physical drives as my arena pool. I got a 500GB external USB drive to use as a backup of the arenas. But here's the gotcha. The number of blocks per cylinder on the 500GB drive isn't the same as the other

Re: [9fans] Mirrorarenas in p9p

2008-07-31 Thread Brian L. Stuart
- Is this going to cause any problems? - Is there a better way to handle this? could you use disk/prep instead of disk/fdisk? prep should work in this situation as long as the sector size on both drives is the same. I don't think so. Unless it's been added recently, p9p doesn't have

Re: [9fans] Mirrorarenas in p9p

2008-07-31 Thread Brian L. Stuart
Also, if you do create a Plan 9 partition and then prep it to make subpartitions (you'd have to use 9vx, copying the binaries from sources), then p9p venti can handle those partition names too: /dev/sda1:arenas assuming /dev/sda1 is a Plan 9 fdisk partition containing a subpartition named

[9fans] PCMCIA Ethernet

2008-09-16 Thread Brian L. Stuart
Is anyone currently successfully using a pcmcia ethernet card? The last time I tried to do this, I came to the conclusion that I would need to sacrifice a chicken to get it to work, and I ended up moving on to something else. But I'm back to trying this. I've tried with several versions of the

Re: [9fans] PCMCIA Ethernet

2008-09-17 Thread Brian L. Stuart
I am using a 3c589 and remember having the same symptoms at first. Jmk then gave me the hint to try the other slot which amazingly did the trick. I then didn't investigate that further. Incidentally, I'm also having a 572 lying around I'm hoping to get running someday. As far as I remember,

Re: [9fans] PCMCIA Ethernet

2008-09-18 Thread Brian L. Stuart
There's is some code laying around for Broadcom 570x cards: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/contrib/uriel/mirror/bc.tgz I'll take a look at it. I seem to recall some discussion of it and that it was in a pretty incomplete state. If I'm remembering correctly, I'm thinking my chances might

Re: [9fans] PCMCIA Ethernet

2008-09-18 Thread Brian L. Stuart
I was using a 3c589 until a few years ago, then I moved to a Netgear FA411 which is somwhat more mechanically robust - I broke the plug on the 3com card :-( It sounds like for a number of people it's working just fine, and no one's put forward any real magic to make it work, except for using

[9fans] PCMCIA ethernet-solved partially

2008-09-19 Thread Brian L. Stuart
For those who have been paying attention, I found the problem with the 3c589 last night. I needed to add one line to ether589.c. In reset(), it sets up some parts of an Ether structure. Then when setting the media type, it calls etherelnk3reset() indirectly through configASIC. But

Re: [9fans] accessing a network with 9vx

2008-09-26 Thread Brian L. Stuart
I just downloaded 9vx and started up on my box. On http://swtch.com/9vx/ it is mentioned that I can access my host's network stack, but I cannot figure out how (or maybe I am not understanding it right?). There is no network interface on /net. Can someone point me some docs on how to

[9fans] The late upamalloc

2008-09-27 Thread Brian L. Stuart
Okay, I've been taking a crack at the broadcom driver that's been lying around. It's pretty old and used the upamalloc call. But upamalloc is now gone and I don't seem to be able to find the right way to replace it. After looking at other drivers and at the old upamalloc code on sourcesdump,

Re: [9fans] The late upamalloc

2008-09-29 Thread Brian L. Stuart
If you are working on the driver in my contrib dir, there are probably newer versions of it somewhere, but don't ask me where you could find them or who might have them, I don't even remember where I got that one from. I think that's the one I started with. As far as I know some of the

Re: [9fans] non greedy regular expressions

2008-10-28 Thread Brian L. Stuart
This guy seems to blur the distinctions here. His discussion He doesn't. If one reads the whole section part of which was quoted one will see that he clearly states DFA and NFA are theoretically equivalent, but then goes on to explain that DFA and NFA _implementations_ are not

Re: [9fans] Questions on notes

2008-11-03 Thread Brian L. Stuart
Frankly, I was trying to see whether an external process reading on somebody else's /proc/n/note would make any sense. One thing that I wanted to implement was a note thief process that would constantly read on a target's /proc/n/note and handle the notes externally using a different kind of

Re: [9fans] Questions on notes

2008-11-03 Thread Brian L. Stuart
Frankly, I was trying to see whether an external process reading on somebody else's /proc/n/note would make any sense. One thing that I wanted to implement was a note thief process that would constantly read on a target's /proc/n/note and handle the notes externally using a

Re: [9fans] on a slightly more fun note

2008-11-05 Thread Brian L. Stuart
Just booted Plan 9 on a 1024+16 node BG/P this week. . I'll echo the congratulations. Plan is to double it just a few times until we hit 65536 or so. Then the fun begins: turning on all cores, so we get to 262144 cpus. So how many cores is that for each member of the Plan 9 community? :-)

Re: [9fans] Next IWP9

2008-11-10 Thread Brian L. Stuart
i have offered to host in athens, ga. home of coraid, the university of georgia, and almost never any snow. we're just outside atlanta. That would work better really well for me, as I'm in Memphis--much easier to drive to Atlanta than to the northeast, or Greece for that matter... And since

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-20 Thread Brian L. Stuart
This is why I've been trying to stay out of it. So how to think about it? First, it's *not* NAT, because there's no address translation going on. I know. I understood this after the discussions of the past few days. Yet you're still contending the following: What I pointed out to

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 != Inferno... right?

2008-11-20 Thread Brian L. Stuart
I'm just about ready to take the plunge (again) into Plan 9 for file Welcome to the pool. The water's great. started to get the impression that Inferno is perhaps a better way to go for a newbie like me to the whole rio/acme/fossil Way. Is this mistaken? For rio/acme/fossil, you do want to

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-20 Thread Brian L. Stuart
but /net is not a fs. '#I' the ip stack and '#l' the ethernet device are usually bound in union on /net. ip subsumes its subprotocols and arp. there is nothing preventing one from adding a new networking protocol nor is there anything preventing one from adding a new type of networking

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 != Inferno... right?

2008-11-20 Thread Brian L. Stuart
I think a more precise way of saying it is that in 9p2000 and the new styx, authentication has been moved outside the protocol proper. styx==9p now; the names are used by convention to imply the auth method, if any. You're right. I stand corrected. For some reason I had thought that the

Re: [9fans] Grid computing architecture w/ 9P + Java ;-)

2008-12-01 Thread Brian L. Stuart
P.S. Speaking of Inferno -- I have always wanted to run it natively on these puppies: http://www.sunspotworld.com/ That's a seriously cool idea. I just discovered we have a dev kit here at work. I can't say for sure whether the powers that be will approve of me spending time working on

Re: [9fans] graphics scaling

2008-12-22 Thread Brian L. Stuart
i've found it quite solid under Ubuntu 8.04, and i'm running an old version of 9vx. the last time i said that i'd had no trouble it promptly blew up, but apart from that i haven't had any trouble, once it starts up. i haven't used drawterm in ages, except on windows. The main issue I had

Re: [9fans] graphics scaling

2008-12-22 Thread Brian L. Stuart
if the version on my file server (which I keep more up to date) has the muti-line tag behavior. To be honest, the only time I really notice it is when I'm trying to get to the Del tag in a directory listing in a really narrow column. BLS On Dec 22, 2008, at 9:14 AM, Brian L. Stuart wrote

Re: [9fans] 9vx hangs w/ fossil [was: installing from 9vx?]

2009-01-15 Thread Brian L. Stuart
but after a few dozen seconds, it seems that 9vx froze (everything stopped and I couldn't act on any of the windows nor open a new one). I killed 9vx and retried (after having checked/fixed fossil from fscons), and got the same behaviour. ... Stuart, haven't you encountered this problem as

Re: [9fans] Small program PlanKey (paraphrase of DOSKey)

2009-01-29 Thread Brian L. Stuart
This isn't a *TeX complaints forum, but... I'm spending more time trying to figure out how to properly layout my page and get the headers right, wa-wa (in LaTeX) -- instead of submitting my proof to the damn journal. How feasible is a solution to this mess? Which journal is it? A

Re: [9fans] Sources Gone?

2009-02-03 Thread Brian L. Stuart
information can't leak in principle, but root scores are dangerous, which is why open-access venti servers are problematic - if such a score *does* happen to leak, then unconditional access to all your data has also leaked. If I understand correctly, this line of discussion is primarily

Re: [9fans] impact of dynamic libraries on the speed of fork()

2009-02-20 Thread Brian L. Stuart
I wrote a really simple program, forktest.c. Next, I performed some experiments using this program. Fork is faster for statically linked executables. It becomes slower as more libraries are added to a dynamically linked executable. What fascinates me here is that forktest doesn't even use

Re: [9fans] threads vs forks

2009-03-06 Thread Brian L. Stuart
P.S. My belief in it was actually reaffirmed by a raving endorsement it got from an old LISP community. Those guys are a bit like 9fans, if you know what I mean ;-) You mean intelligent people who appreciate elegance? :) Sorry. Couldn't resist. BLS

Re: [9fans] Google Summer of code 2009

2009-03-06 Thread Brian L. Stuart
For whatever mixture of factors, we ended up below the line last year. This year more groups are expected to apply, and Google has indicated they plan to support fewer groups and fewer students this year as compared to last year. Each of those trends seems likely to push us further below

Re: [9fans] GSOC: Drawterm for the iPhone

2009-03-26 Thread Brian L. Stuart
9vx could replace drawterm in our environment, but i think the following work is required. 9vx needs - to be able to boot with no local files other than the executable, (i.e. directly from a plan 9 fs) Actually, I've been using it this way for a while. More precisely, when I'm on my home

Re: [9fans] new 9atom.iso

2009-08-28 Thread Brian L. Stuart
Did you use the plan 9 kencc to build that inferno kernel? As I understand, inferno's 8c doesn't have the H5 option... I used the versions with Inferno, except that I borrowed a couple files from Plan9's 8l to get the H5 support. And in case anyone's curious, I booted it with grub a little

Re: [9fans] nice quote

2009-09-02 Thread Brian L. Stuart
Q: Will C continue to be important into the future? (Dave Kirk, Nvidia)A: No, I think C will die like Fortran has let me explain the joke. In HPC circles, people have been predicting the death of fortran for 30 years. Fortran has continued to grow and thrive. The predictions continue,

Re: [9fans] nice quote

2009-09-03 Thread Brian L. Stuart
KR is beautiful in this respect. In contrast, I never managed to bite in Stroustrup's description. Ok, now I'll get provocative: Then why do so many people have a problem understanding C? Are you saying that there is a significant number of people who understand C++ but not C? The reason

Re: [9fans] nice quote

2009-09-04 Thread Brian L. Stuart
KR is beautiful in this respect. In contrast, I never managed to bite in Stroustrup's description. Ok, now I'll get provocative: Then why do so many people have a problem understanding C? Are you saying that there is a significant number of people who understand C++ but not C? 

Re: [9fans] Scanners

2009-11-25 Thread Brian L. Stuart
The scanner ist connect via 1G ethernet. On the Touchscreen  is an Option Scan to network. The scanner scans direct to a cifs share (aquarella on plan9). No need for spezial software except a Cifs Server. The scanner use smbclient. That's neat. It makes sense too, using ethernet

Re: [9fans] Scanners

2009-11-25 Thread Brian L. Stuart
to having cifs as an option.  But when did it become popular to say that ftp should not be an option for transferring a file? The basic little flatbed on the website can scan to FTP. I'm not sure why the original poster chose to mention SMB and not FTP, but it's an option. DOH!

Re: [9fans] bootargs in 9vx

2009-12-15 Thread Brian L. Stuart
Is there a way to pass args like fs, auth, sysname, nvram, whatever to /boot/boot in 9vx? Yes and no. Out of the box, I'm pretty sure there isn't, however, a while back as part of supporting native Plan9 partitions, I added some support for plan9.ini. I've got some instructions and old

Re: [9fans] Just one piece o' help.

2010-01-11 Thread Brian L. Stuart
I guess the need for running configure first is gone here. Most definitely. [Editorial comment on configure elided] I'm having trouble finding info on how to mount a thumb drive. If you are running usbd, it should detect when you insert the drive and run usb/disk for it. This will make

[9fans] Factotum discrepancy

2010-02-25 Thread Brian L. Stuart
There appears to be a disagreement between the factotum man page and its actual behavior regarding the -a option.  In the man page, the wording: -a   supplies the address of the authentication server to      use.  Without this option, it will attempt to find an      authentication server by

Re: [9fans] missing machs unearthed

2010-04-05 Thread Brian L. Stuart
My impression is that mp tables are getting worse and worse on new hardware because vendors assume everyone is running an acpi-aware OS. it's not clear to me that's it's not just general low quality, Does that imply that we can expect the acpi tables to be often incorrect too? 

Re: [9fans] sources flproto example still accurate

2010-05-06 Thread Brian L. Stuart
--- On Thu, 5/6/10, Fernan Bolando fernanbola...@mailc.net wrote: ...which led me to believe I needed to do an pre-authenticated connection, but as Skip pointed might not be possible if p9p is capable of doing authentication. I'm pretty sure it is as long as you have the auth server

Re: [9fans] crashing 9vx

2010-05-30 Thread Brian L. Stuart
OK, somebody sent a hint that it might make sense to take the -O3 out of the make flags. Done. Result: I can now get through this command: hget -v http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/download/plan9.iso.bz2/tmp/iso.bz2 |[2]aux/statusbar plan9.iso without an explosion. This is weird. I

Re: [9fans] crashing 9vx

2010-05-30 Thread Brian L. Stuart
You also have to recompile vx library. I'm pretty sure I did. I did a gmake clean followed by gmake 9vx/9vx in vx32/src. I'm pretty sure I saw the libraries being compiled as the compile commands flew by on the screen. BLS

Re: [9fans] crashing 9vx

2010-05-30 Thread Brian L. Stuart
you may be right, but it seems too easy to blame gcc. a better fit for the facts so far would seem to me that 9vx' locking is broken. the optimization may just put more pressure on broken locking. I would certainly agree that the variability of the crashes feels like a mutual exclusion

Re: [9fans] Announcement: Fifth IWP9 - Oct 11-13 2010, Seattle WA

2010-06-03 Thread Brian L. Stuart
AWESOME!  I will try to round up some friends who may never have even seen Plan 9 before as well. Dave If we're going to have newbies then maybe an evening installfest would be fun. ron Good idea. It might also be worthwhile to introduce that with an overview of the roles and

Re: [9fans] writing to ctl using fprint and write

2010-07-29 Thread Brian L. Stuart
Thanks Erik, Sape, and Skip.  That was such a STUPID error, and I thank you all for the extra eyes.  I think it is time for a break and a bowl of tea... relax.  not stupid, subtle.  it takes vigilance to keep sizeof, nelem, strlen, and the number of characters straight. This is part

Re: [9fans] native lbl, long text in troff, bold italics in eqn

2010-09-03 Thread Brian L. Stuart
2) I heard and read that the 'ms' troff macros are not suitable for longer documents (I want to write my PhD thesis), as opposed supposedly to the 'me' macros (which, however are not in plan9, I believe). Can anybody give me their opinion? There should be some macro packages out there that

Re: [9fans] So, why Plan 9?

2010-10-11 Thread Brian L. Stuart
Oh, and most of the Plan 9 tools were first made available to use outside the Plan 9 OS through Russ Cox's plan9 in user space effort (http://swtch.com/plan9port/). And there's the virtualisation project vx32 that includes Plan 9 as an example. Not sure how they fit into a holistic view.

Re: [9fans] sheevaplug port available

2010-10-21 Thread Brian L. Stuart
Wasn't that what we found just last week regarding the /dev/sd00/nvram thing?  This is on native Plan 9, (er, under VMware), not 9vx or anything like that.  The filesystem is fossil, not kfs. The file servers that maintain on-disk file systems like kfs, fossil, kenfs, etc. all do use groups

Re: [9fans] sheevaplug port available

2010-10-21 Thread Brian L. Stuart
I'll check the permissions on /tmp, and I bet you're right there. There's a good chance your /tmp issue is not permissions, but a lack of /tmp being mounted. If your hostowner doesn't have a lib/profile or its lib/profile doesn't mount /tmp, then you won't be able to write anything to it. As

Re: [9fans] Plan9 development

2010-11-15 Thread Brian L. Stuart
to a single underlying (OS) platform, but failed (in a suprisingly ugly way) to cater for different target object formats, even though there were efforts to do so.  In my opinion - and this is all I hold against Plan 9 - by shoehorning various target object formats in the linker/loader as

Re: [9fans] Plan9 topology

2011-01-13 Thread Brian L. Stuart
I could run a headless box as a Plan9 auth/cpu, fs server. Then, if I want to this Plan9 server, is there a minimum Plan9 install that I could put on the spare partition that I have? With this setup available, there are several ways you can go. As a lot of people have suggested, you can

Re: [9fans] Plan9 topology

2011-01-13 Thread Brian L. Stuart
I see! I mis-understood what you meant by Plan 9 terminal. I thought that the Plan 9 Live CD gave you a choice of either installing the Plan 9 server or a Plan 9 client/terminal. I now see that that there are terminals available on various OSes to connect to a Plan 9 server. It has

Re: [9fans] troff macros for typesetting books/longer texts

2011-03-22 Thread Brian L. Stuart
Note, that neither plainTex nor troff handle cross-references, automatic equation numbering, footnote numbering, table of contents, etc. Nonetheless, mainly these listed features are often so needed. ... What I am trying to get is something like eplain, but for troff. And I wanted to

Re: [9fans] Compiling 9atom kernel WAS: Re: spaces in filenames

2011-04-28 Thread Brian L. Stuart
Ron wrote: andrey mirtchovski mirtchov...@gmail.com wrote: This is great! it is, isn't it? 6 seconds kernel compile, 15 seconds turnaround time when developing anything in the kernel (with PXE boot). beat that, modern operating systems :) yes, I had to help config and build a

Re: [9fans] 9vx Binary for Mac OS X

2011-05-04 Thread Brian L. Stuart
it should be as simple as 'make 9vx/9vx' issued in vx32/src. knowing the right make target was the stumbling block for me too, a few months ago. I'm thinking it should be documented. the ADVENTURE file gives wrong instructions (cd src; make; make install) That's what makes it an

Re: [9fans] MetaPost added to kerTeX!

2011-05-20 Thread Brian L. Stuart
I will rest on my laurels for the remaining of the week... You've earned it. Congrats and thanks BLS

Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones

2011-09-23 Thread Brian L. Stuart
The Wank E5 was AU$50. Why is it that I can't quite summon up the courage to do a google search for wank phone? Because it will cost you $4.99 a minute?

Re: [9fans] copying over 9P using plan9port

2011-10-04 Thread Brian L. Stuart
I can then cd and explore the bell labs sources via plan9port, so that works just fine. When I then try something like cp -ar sources/plan9/sys/src/ape ape I get an error stating: unexpected open flags 050cp: can not open ”sources/plan9/sys/src/ape/9src/mkfile” for reading:

Re: [9fans] GSoC application ideas page

2012-03-14 Thread Brian L. Stuart
I'd suggest to complete native SSH2 implementation. ... Let's not take this one completely off the table yet.  SSHv2 would be extremely useful in helping open up communication with external systems again. As Erik said, there is a substantial effort here, probably more than we could

Re: [9fans] SSHv2

2012-04-02 Thread Brian L. Stuart
After patching ndb/cs and running nfactotum, I'm still having some trouble getting the new ssh to successfully login to a remote system: term% ssh2 openbsd The following key has been offered by the server: ek=10001 ... Add this key? (yes, no, session) yes ssh2: dial: handshake failed

Re: [9fans] SSHv2

2012-04-02 Thread Brian L. Stuart
Add this key? (yes, no, session) yes ssh2: dial: handshake failed One other thing that might be instructive is to look at the logs. The client side logs will be in /sys/log/ssh and the server's are often in something like /var/log. They might have something that will help us pinpoint where

Re: [9fans] SSHv2

2012-04-02 Thread Brian L. Stuart
The client side logs will be in /sys/log/ssh This was not created on my system. My bad. He only uses syslog when he's in the role of server, not client. BLS

Re: [9fans] SSHv2

2012-04-02 Thread Brian L. Stuart
After rebuilding nfactotum and starting it in a fresh window, I'm able to login to all of the previously tried remote hosts. For the reference of future search engines I have a guess on what you might have been seeing. If in the original window, you had attempted to run ssh with an instance

Re: [9fans] SSHv2

2012-04-02 Thread Brian L. Stuart
It seems to be failing only when factotum is already populated with keys (I should point out: keys unrelated to the hosts I'm trying to login to with the new ssh): term% sshtun -d term% ssh2 openbsd Verifying server signature In rsa_verify for connection: 0 got error in factotum:

Re: [9fans] how up to date are the PDF doc files onplan9.bell-labs.com?

2012-05-03 Thread Brian L. Stuart
I just activated my Kindle.  I mailed myself the PDF of gawk.1 (of course). At fit-to-screen it's too small, but rotated and increased size it's better. As an emergency place to keep the Plan 9 manuals, it sure beats lugging around all that paper. :-)  I'll be experimenting some more.

Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop

2012-10-18 Thread Brian L. Stuart
The question is rather: What killed the Plan 9 desktop? 1) Lack of modern GUI and GUI development kit 2) Lack of Object Oriented GUI configuration tools 3) Lack of a decent web0browser 4) Lack of a decent communication/messaging client 5) Lack

Re: [9fans] iwp9

2012-11-19 Thread Brian L. Stuart
Americans aren't really creative with their city names. They should learn from the welsh. :) Yeah, we probably do need more where half of the consonants are silent :) On the other hand, I always thought Bucksnort, Tennessee was pretty creative... Well, maybe creative is too strong a

Re: [9fans] growing/shrinking venti arena files -OR- arena file format

2012-11-26 Thread Brian L. Stuart
I'm wondering if anyone can shed some light on growing and/or shrinking arena files (i.e., disk partitions).  With the growing popularity of logical volume management, vitrualization, etc., resizing partitions is becoming more and more common, and many file systems already have resize tools

Re: [9fans] dual boot

2014-05-25 Thread Brian L. Stuart
It now booted but the username ram didn't have any of the rc init files. There's a script in /sys/lib/newuser that sets up an initial set of scripts and directories for a newly created user.  The newuser(8) man page give more detail. BLS

Re: [9fans] dual boot

2014-05-25 Thread Brian L. Stuart
BTW, I recently got hold of your OS book. Very nice book, especially the inferno parts, which was my primary interest when I bought the book. Thanks, Ram.  I'm glad you're enjoying it.  In the midst of moving and preparing to return to the classroom this summer, I plan to get the copyright

Re: [9fans] Mistake in Plan9 Mercual port?

2014-05-31 Thread Brian L. Stuart
ssh2 doesn't work with passwords (at least not without changing server settings), you need to use keys. It does work with real password auth, but current OpenSSH distros default to not allowing real password auth. They use keyboard-interactive instead, and it's set up to look to the user just

Re: [9fans] Question about fossil

2014-06-09 Thread Brian L. Stuart
With the trick I am talking about, there is nothing to stop you from connecting to N different remote ventis.  In effect your local (by that I mean under your control, not necessarily on the same machine) venti can be treated as just a buffer! I took a look at some things along those lines a

Re: [9fans] simplest disk filesystem

2014-07-15 Thread Brian L. Stuart
I’m looking for a very simple in-kernel filesystem. What's motivating the desire for to be in-kernel? Nearly, every file system in Plan 9 runs in user space. All the ones that have been mentioned do. The only in-kernel file system in the labs' distribution is devroot which is read-only and

Re: [9fans] simplest disk filesystem

2014-07-15 Thread Brian L. Stuart
I’m trying to make a tutorial explaining the code of a not too large kernel (9), but there are too many things to explain so I have to cut things. So having a simple fs which does not require to explain 9p, the rpc, the mount device, etc would be great. In that case, I'd suggest using

Re: [9fans] Plan9 Sources Repository

2014-07-19 Thread Brian L. Stuart
you may edit the wiki yourself to correct these issues. The Wiki seems to be frozen (i.e., not editable anymore): - no Edit button on http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/software_for_Plan_9/ It was changed some time back to allow edits only using the acme wiki interface, rather

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