Laurie Griffiths <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> It's your turn to say what you find unacceptable in the proposal put forward
> by me and Simon (the two were pretty much identical).
As far as I'm concerned, the main problem with these proposals is that
the syntax they define is pretty much particu
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At the moment I think I like the
M:4/4 beat=2/4
proposal. It would solve most of the problems and if there is some problem
with Allegro in 13/8 that doesn't matter - it still enables much more than
the current syntax and you can always fall back on a completely explicit
Q:5/8=74
or whatever in th
There is a complication here that I don't think anyone has addressed. By
defining "Allegro" as 1/4=120, whether this is done in the playback
software or in abc, you are assuming that "Allegro" is always based on a
quarter note beat. Therefore, alla breve allegro, with a half note as the
beat, wo
I have a worry about this definition and use thing. Our band has a book of
music, most of which is dance music (the rest is party pieces for
interludes). I want to spell out the tempo in "steps per minute" but for a
4/4 step-hop hornpipe this is 1/4 (for a step or a hop), for a 4/4 reel this
is
Christoph Dalitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Ewan A. Macpherson" wrote:
> > > ? (In the case that `grace' is not specified we could fall back to,
> > > e.g., a standardized default of `grace="1/8"'.
> >
> > Except for K:Hp or K:HP, where the default should be 1/32 .
> >
> Was this the default
- Original Message -
From: Anselm Lingnau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [abcusers] something really simple
> Laurie Griffiths <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > > Q:1/4=120 note="Pretty quickly" % [2] explicit tempo wit
> I guess this is a bit like folk music, where the notes that are written
> down and the ones that actually get played are independent of each
> other :-)
Foul! Foul! Referee!! Throw him off the list!! :-)
L.
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Hello,
Phil Taylor wrote:
> I don't see the necessity to specify in the abc what the program should do
> with the data. Surely (as Anselm has pointed out) these are local options
> to be set in a preferences file or command-line switch?
Even if so, it would be very helpfull to find a syntax tha
Fine - so to fix your objections
1. definitions like
Q:3/8=largo
may only go in the "file header"
What's the definition of "File Header"?
Between start of file and first X: ? (What about all those files with
missing X: lines?)
Between start of file and first X: or T:? (are we allowed a file title
Laurie Griffiths <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Q:1/4=120 note="Pretty quickly" % [2] explicit tempo with advisory note
>
> OK acceptable but not my preference. "note" is a keyword that I scan for
> (no problem). The use of quotes immediately brings up the question of "what
> if the string i
On Tue 13 Nov 2001 at 08:13AM -0500, Laura Conrad wrote:
> > "Phil" == Phil Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>
> Lilypond, which is the printing program I'm actually using these days,
> has a MIDI block and a score block, so the two speeds are actually
> completely independent unless you
> "Phil" == Phil Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Phil> But why would you want to record your proofreading speed in the abc for
Phil> posterity? Surely you just want to override the given tempo using a
Phil> setting local to your program?
I might want to have a global proofrea
Simon wrote:
...
> PS: how do you like my actual proposal for the Q:field ? (besides the
> macro topic)
OK. Acceptable.
Laurie
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In what lies below, Anselm wrote the bits with > at the start
>...
>The counter-proposal stands:
> Q:1/4=120% [1] explicit tempo specification
OK, No problem, backward compatibility etc.
> Q:1/4=120 note="Pretty quickly" % [2] explicit tempo with advisory note
OK acceptable but not my pr
My concern is that this is the "thin end of the wedge". Up to now abc is
entirely contained within a single file and there is no external macro
mechanism. If it is introduced for the Q: field then I think that sets a
precedent and I don't want that.
By all means publish a list of suggested tempo
Laurie wrote:
>OK, Anselm, let me try.
>First of all it is NOT complicated to implement. It's pretty easy.
>Secondly a language or a notation is not to be judged by whether or not you
>can say silly things. (Anyone who judged a natural language by this
>criterion would have to be barking in fac
Frank Nordberg wrote:
> Sorry to bother everybody with a subject that has nothing whatsoever to
> do with abc.
>
> But I know there are a few people on the list that knows everything
> about Internet, and I really need some help here. And since the list is
> so quiet at the moment... ;-)
>
> I
Simon Wascher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The problem is that there are situations where it is necessary to have
> part of the tempo indicator displayed and parts not.
>
> Example:
>
> Q:1/4=120 - Allegro % displaying "Allegro" and playing 1/4=120
>
> In your proposal how can this be d
It's an extension that's available with some programs. Not sure if that
counts as "common" but in essence, yes you are right. The octave
transposition is also available with some programs. It should work with
Muse e.g.
K:Am clef=treble transpose=-12
You may have to bypass a bug - you can get th
OK, Anselm, let me try.
First of all it is NOT complicated to implement. It's pretty easy.
Secondly a language or a notation is not to be judged by whether or not you
can say silly things. (Anyone who judged a natural language by this
criterion would have to be barking in fact quite out of their
Sorry to bother everybody with a subject that has nothing whatsoever to
do with abc.
But I know there are a few people on the list that knows everything
about Internet, and I really need some help here. And since the list is
so quiet at the moment... ;-)
I just found out that some joker has been
In the last versions abcm2ps (uptodate is 2.99.11) is supporting as well +8 and
-8 clefs.
Markus
On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 09:18:50 +, James Allwright wrote:
JA> On Mon 12 Nov 2001 at 03:18PM -0500, Katy Mulvey wrote:
JA> >
JA> > I was just wondering if there was any way to indicate that the tr
Laura Conrad wrote:
>> "Anselm" == Anselm Lingnau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>Anselm> I'm still waiting for you (or anybody) to explain why an
>Anselm> ABC tune should contain one prescribed explicit metronome
>Anselm> speed for display and another, different, prescribed
>An
Hello Anselm,
Anselm Lingnau wrote:
> Simon Wascher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Lets say you are right, its completely impossible that someone needs
> > that.
> I'm not claiming that it is impossible for anybody to need this. But if
> this is a sensible proposal then surely there must be an e
On Mon 12 Nov 2001 at 03:18PM -0500, Katy Mulvey wrote:
>
> I was just wondering if there was any way to indicate that the treble clef
> was transposed an octave, using the 8 indication above or below the G-clef
> symbol. It's not mentioned at all in the extensions section of Steve
> Mansfield
>Simon slipped in the words "external macro file".
>No!! I am very much against this. Although it may be convenient for
>writers of ABC it's horrid for readers. It makles it even harder to extract
>a tune and the probability would be very high that we should find orphan
>bits of ABC floating ro
Kathy Mulvey wrote:
>Am I correct in my reading of the documentation of ABC (I use the
>http://www.gre.ac.uk/~c.walshaw/abc/ site) that a clef indication is a
>commonly available extension to the K keyword, but is not part of the real
>1.6 standard?
Yes.
>I was just wondering if there was any w
On Mon 12 Nov 2001 at 07:21PM +0100, Christoph Dalitz wrote:
> James Allwright wrote:
> >
>
> I wrote "line break" because I do not understand the abc "guitar chords"
> only as guitar chords, but more general as arbitrary text printed above
> a note. This includes guitar chords, basso continuo f
"Ewan A. Macpherson" wrote:
>
> > How about
> >
> > L:1/8 grace="1/32"
> > K:HP
> > {g}A{d}A{e}A {gef}e2 f | {g}ec{G}c {gef}e2
>
> Seems reasonable. Or maybe just
>
> L:1/8 {1/32}
>
The format = is preferable because it is more flexible
and allows future extensions. And most important,
Laurie Griffiths wrote:
>
> Tablature
> 1. Muse supports ABC to fretted instrument tab generation by giving string
> information after the duration, using a semicolon to delimit it. e.g. E2;4
> Play E for 2 time units on string number 4. On the whole it's only
> necessary to give this informati
Laura Conrad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Anselm> I'm still waiting for you (or anybody) to explain why an
> Anselm> ABC tune should contain one prescribed explicit metronome
> Anselm> speed for display and another, different, prescribed
> Anselm> explicit metronome speed for pla
James Allwright wrote:
>
> What programmers cannot do is re-write applications retrospectively.
> Adding new syntax that is incompatible with the old syntax causes
> hassles for everyone who uses abc.
I understand that. In this case the problem would of course be older
programs that can't make s
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