Title: RE: [abcusers] Dynamics
Quit sending me this crap.
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From: Starling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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Subject: [abcusers] Dynamics
Sorry, having a bit of trouble with the documentation. Does
The draft standard has some standards for dynamic markings between the !...!, as a modifier on a chord much like the chord symbol (which is enclosed in quotes). It's also possible to 'abuse' the chord notation ("...") to place dynamics below notes, but that doesn't really do it for things like cre
Sorry, having a bit of trouble with the documentation. Does anybody
know how to do dynamics in abc, such as crescendos, decrescendos,
markings like forte, mezzoforte, and those nifty "alligator clips"
used to indicate short cresc(and decresc)endos.
Starling
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> "taral" == taral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
taralR> On Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 10:43:42AM -0500, Laura Conrad wrote:
>> >> The hideousness of the "w: ly- _ ric" construct.
>>
taralR> Huh? Use:
>>
taralR> w: ly -ric
>>
taralR> it works fine for me.
>>
On Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 01:35:02PM -0500, Laura Conrad wrote:
> > "taralR" == taral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> taralR> On Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 10:43:42AM -0500, Laura Conrad wrote:
> >> The hideousness of the "w: ly- _ ric" construct.
>
> taralR> Huh? Use:
>
> taralR>
On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Wendy Galovich wrote:
>
> Well, at this point Gianni has earned himself the sad distinction of being
> the only individual whose posts I have filtered, on any list, ever.
Same here. Likewise, a first.
> If/when I see responses from other list members that indicate he's
> ac
Just for the record:
I've just set up an e mail filter to autmotacially remove all messages
with the subject "Re: [abcusers] dynamics (was)". Can smeone tell me
when this is over?
Frank Nordberg
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On Friday 02 November 2001 04:31, Phil Taylor wrote:
> Gianni Cunich wrote:
> >I won't let your offensive emails drive me
> >away... Do you actually wish to ask Toby making this a censored list?
>
> Not a bad idea actually. Why don't we take a vote on expelling Gianni
> from the list?
>
> Phil Ta
Gianni Cunich wrote:
>I won't let your offensive emails drive me
>away... Do you actually wish to ask Toby making this a censored list?
Not a bad idea actually. Why don't we take a vote on expelling Gianni
from the list?
Phil Taylor
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> You see, James, what you are suggesting is as useful as abc2midi...
abc2midi is very useful.
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From: "Richard Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: [abcusers] dynamics (was)
> But "silly" is not the main point. I lost my temper, yes. For the second
>
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From: "James Allwright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 12:32 PM
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James allwright wrote:
> I don't think you'll ever get the standards commit
On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> John is talking a lot of sense but still seems slightly ambiguous
> about whether the documentation should be associated with one software
> development or not.
By way of analogy: The HTML specification is different from the Amaya web
browser docume
Wendy Galovich said-
>A Wiki page? See http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WhatIsaWiki
>
>What I'm thinking here is that if an editable page - say, a table listing abc
>applications against each detail of the standard specifications, was publicly
>available, a sizeable group of contributors co
Richard Robinson said -
>On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> .. Richard Robinson and others
>> have argued that the development of the abc standard should be
>> associated with a software project.
>
>I have reviewed all my postings to this thread, sin
On Wednesday 31 October 2001 17:50, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Thinks. Must try and come up with a more relevant subject line for this
> thread.
>
> James Allwright said -
>
> >I don't think you'll ever get the standards committee to speak as
> > one..
>
> I think we have to accept that the s
day, October 31, 2001 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [abcusers] dynamics (was)
On Wed 31 Oct 2001 at 05:17AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> There seems to be some confusion here. Has the standards committee
decided
> anything or not? Could we have a clear statement from the committee
(
On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In a posting a few days ago, Laura Conrad spoke first of the
> difficulties of achieving agreement on a standard and then spoke of the
> sort of the sort of open-source project that she would like to see. I
> took these as one topic reflecting more
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>Richard Robinson's speculations as to what I might say ran completely
> counter to what I was actually saying. He first said that I would go on to
> explain that open-source was a bad form of development whereas I actually
> said that it was just one of seve
Richard Robinson said -
>That was my intention, of course; to illustrate that talk of "outlawing"
>_is_ a silly suggestion, no matter whose mouth it's put into. It is "a bit
>strong", yes.
When the abc sourcefourge project was set up last year, one of its first tasks was identified as sorting ou
On Wed 31 Oct 2001 at 05:17AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> There seems to be some confusion here. Has the standards committee decided
> anything or not? Could we have a clear statement from the committee (rather
> than individual members) on what it has achieved and its current status?
Laurie Griffiths said -
>There was a move - and I was part of it - to try to make some sort of
>progress on the standard. Part of the thinking was that the fewer people
>involved the quicker we might agree. Part of the thinking was that if we
>enhanced the standard, even if we didn't do it the w
Richard Robinson wrote:
...
>
> Particularly, the way that every
> time a new poster appears here, they are informed that this is a no-good
> bunch of people, an arrogant self-selected clique
...
Yep, that sounds like us ;-)
Did Aaron ever get an answer to his dynamics question, btw?
Fran
Eric Mrozek said -
>Bryan, this is an open list - you won't get anyone to agree to your
>personal terms. You'd be best off to just post your thoughts and don't
>mind the critique, whether it's meant personally or not.
Well, some of the critique has been extremely personal. Of course I'm going
> "Gianni" == Gianni Cunich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Gianni> By the way, I've been told many times that the main abc native softwares,
Gianni> which are mainly quite poor clones of a rather poor first one, are a
product
Gianni> of the so called free-source or open-source philo
Hello,
reading all this dynamic messages, I want to ask for a bit of
moderation, since things do not get better by breaking down bridges
which have to be rebuilt afterwards anyway.
Abc as it is is working right now and whether there is a further
developement for the standard and/or the programs,
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> On Sat, 27 Oct 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> > There doesn't seem to be much point in being involved
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From: "Eric Mrozek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 3:41 AM
Subject: Re: [abcusers] dynamics (was)
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> [
>
> >>time for a new approach, preferably
On Sat, 27 Oct 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> There doesn't seem to be much point in being involved in an
> open-source project coded in a language you don't understand.
Sorry, but that's absurd. Coding is not the only way to contribute to a
software project, and I would argue that it is not e
On Sat, Oct 27, 2001 at 07:41:01PM -0700, Eric Mrozek wrote:
>
> P.S. In the spirit of developing cross-platform tools... I currently
> typeset music using abc2ps and abcm2ps, but usually convert the
> postscript to PDF when sharing the files with others. Because the Unisys
> compression paten
> "Eric" == Eric Mrozek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Eric> P.S. In the spirit of developing cross-platform tools... I currently
Eric> typeset music using abc2ps and abcm2ps, but usually convert the
Eric> postscript to PDF when sharing the files with others. Because the
Eric> Un
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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>>time for a new approach, preferably one involving as much of the abc
>>community as possible not just a self chosen clique
]
> >Do you have a positive suggestion ?
>
> Certainly, but before I do, could I have your assurance that you will
> give my suggestions
Jack Campin said -
>Programs like abc2win only let you output ABC they can interpret.
abc2win has come under considerable critiscism on this list for its deviations from the standard. After not inconsiderable effort on my part, abc2nwc now accepts abc2win tunes without much trouble. This was es
Richard Robinson said -
>That hardly justifies talk of being "outlawed" ?
OK, so perhaps outlawed is a bit strong but I would still be excluded from full participation. There doesn't seem to be much point in being involved in an open-source project coded in a language you don't understand.
>It
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From: Frank Nordberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: [abcusers] dynamics (again)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I am not a Mac user so I have no direct experience of the nature of
> BarFly, but I do know that a n
On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Richard Robinson said -
>
> >You have the source so you can see exactly what's going on, know
> >just how that code is interacting with your own, be able to discuss the
> >situation with the library maintainers and find the best solution.
>
> No I
Funny how a thread subject can drift so far from the original and yet still remain appropriate.
Frank Nordberg said -
>BarFly follows the standard (ABC 1.6) pretty well, but all abc
>applications differs when it comes to various extensions.
Yes, I think it does. (If it's only a text editor w
>> BarFly doesn't *have* output; it's a text editor, it doesn't enforce
>> any ABC dialect any more than Emacs does.
> Don't text editors have output?
> I am not a Mac user so I have no direct experience of the nature o
> BarFly, but I do know that a number of people have posted tunes in
> abc
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> I am not a Mac user so I have no direct experience of the nature of
> BarFly, but I do know that a number of people have posted tunes in abc
> generated by using BarFly. From where I'm standing these are BarFly
> output. They appear to have various characteristics
Jack Campin said -
>BarFly doesn't *have* output; it's a text editor, it doesn't enforce
>any ABC dialect any more than Emacs does.
Don't text editors have output?
I am not a Mac user so I have no direct experience of the nature of BarFly, but I do know that a number of people have posted tunes
Richard Robinson said -
>You have the source so you can see exactly what's going on, know
>just how that code is interacting with your own, be able to discuss the
>situation with the library maintainers and find the best solution.
No I can't because I don't know C. I can't participate in this p
>> I'm probably going to have to provide an "abcfix" program that
>> attempts to "standardize" non-compliant abc files.
> I'd like to see how that handles BarFly output.
BarFly doesn't *have* output; it's a text editor, it doesn't enforce
any ABC dialect any more than Emacs does. I've used it
On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Richard Robinson said -
>
> >Consider the possibility that a separately-maintained ABC library,
> >open-source & bug-fixed by anybody that cares to take part, linked into
> >your front-end code, might make your life easier too ?
> >
> >I'm sorry, a
Richard Robinson said -
>Consider the possibility that a separately-maintained ABC library,
>open-source & bug-fixed by anybody that cares to take part, linked into
>your front-end code, might make your life easier too ?
>
>I'm sorry, as a non-VB programmer I don't know how VB links to a C
>libra
> > "taral" == taral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Write code that can be worked on by multiple people. The fact
> that abc2ps isn't written this way is probably one of the
> major reasons for the situation described above.
I think this is true of a lot of free softwar
--
> From: Aaron Newman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 4:09 PM
> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Subject: RE: [abcusers] dynamics
>
>
> Thanks, I re-read the abc2midi and I found the dynamics with the other
> markings.
>
> My application
On Wed, 24 Oct 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >Brian, what's being talked about here is a library. You know ? A set of
> >useful functions that can be included in other peoples' programs, right ?
> >The only possible use for a library is to _help_ people to write their own
> >programs. Given a
On Tuesday 23 October 2001 08:30, Laura Conrad wrote:
> > "taral" == taral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> So I refuse to get excited about an ABC application just because it
> implements new, potentially useful features. What we need is a
> developer who is going to:
>
> Use open so
> "taral" == taral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Good luck. The abc developers community consists of a lot of people who are
>> more committed to their own software than the broader concept of abc and are
>> generally hostile to the concept of a standard. This is why the sta
Bert Van Vreckem said -
>I don't see how an open source abclib can have any influence on, let
>alone be a threat for these projects. What exactly do you mean?
>
>> I don't see abc as being defined by any software implementation but to
>> be a standard (or, perhaps, a protocol would be better) fo
On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 07:11:49AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Do you intend to exclude all versions of V: which has no single standard?
> You will come up against a lot of opposition there.
I intend to only support V: in the first version of libabc.
> Good luck. The abc developers comm
On Wed, 24 Oct 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Laura Conrad said -
> >What we need is a developer who is going to:
> >
> > Use open source, so that anyone can fix bugs.
> >
> > Roll contributions from other people into the source.
> >
> > Implement the standard as written.
> >
>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Laura Conrad said -
> >What we need is a developer who is going to:
> > Use open source, so that anyone can fix bugs.
> >
> > Roll contributions from other people into the source.
> >
> > Implement the standard as written.
> >
> > Clearly label any extensions to
> "Bryan" == Bryancreer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Bryan> Excellent except for the first and the last. Do you intend
Bryan> to outlaw independant implementations such as BarFly,
Bryan> abc2win, Muse or my own humble abc2nwc?
I'm not proposing outlawing anything. I write per
Taral said -
>I'd also like to announce that I will be making the following amendments
>to the standard in libabc:
I'm not sure about unilateral declarations of changes to the standard but nobody from the standards committee seems to have complained. The trouble is, you have no way of enforcing
Laura Conrad said -
>What we need is a developer who is going to:
>
> Use open source, so that anyone can fix bugs.
>
> Roll contributions from other people into the source.
>
> Implement the standard as written.
>
> Clearly label any extensions to the standard used by the
On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Taral wrote:
> This is exactly my intent with libabc. If all goes well, I'll probably
> go and put it on sourceforge somewhere.
two sites are already set up for you:
1) http://abc.sourceforge.net -> standard ABC
1) http://abcplus.sourceforge.net -> ABC with extensions for
nt input/output formats) later on.
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From: Guido Gonzato [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 2:58 AM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: Re: [abcusers] dynamics
On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, Aaron Newman wrote:
> I read in the FAQ that there is no w
Richard Robinson writes:
>
Taral writes:
>>& and && operators:
>>The & operator will be used for splits into 2 voices in a single
>>measure, thus:
> |F2A2Bc&F2c2bc|
>
> Is this the same syntax that abc2mtex used to use ? And, is there much abc
> out there that uses it ? I used to have
On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 08:30:17AM -0400, Laura Conrad wrote:
> So I refuse to get excited about an ABC application just because it
> implements new, potentially useful features. What we need is a
> developer who is going to:
>
> Use open source, so that anyone can fix bugs.
>
>
> "taral" == taral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
taral> On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 06:14:17PM -0400, Laura Conrad wrote:
>> I agree, but what I want to hear is not so much about new features but
>> a willingness to consider non-standard behavior as a bug (except for
>> documented
On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Taral wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 01:30:30AM +0100, Richard Robinson wrote:
> > Which, doesn't your abc2ps produce dotted notes ?
> >
> > Odd thing, though. My "(a.b.c.d.)" above ought, surely, to produce
> > staccato notes with a slur over them ? In fact, the first no
Laura Conrad wrote:
...
> I think what's being proposed is that:
...
> a-.a is two notes died with a dotted tie
We can't use that one. That particular syntax is already used in abc for
something else.
Taral wrote:
...
> Try putting the . before the notes: (.a.b.c.d)
This one too.
Ge
On Mon 22 Oct 2001 at 06:05PM -0500, Taral wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 06:14:17PM -0400, Laura Conrad wrote:
> > I think what's being proposed is that:
> >
> > a-a is two tied notes
> > a--a is two notes tied with a dashed tie
> > a-.a is two notes died with a dotted
Hello,
if possible please not the ">" and "<" characters, I use them for
indicating the positions of the handle of the hurdy gurdy.
I would recomend some other not singable standard keyboard character
anyway: "@" or"#" or "$" .
The Idea to tie it to the L: could have its merits, especially if o
On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 11:43:11PM -0400, Buddha Buck wrote:
> Right now, I have to do something like "w: left_ approach_ right_
> together" for lines 1&2, and "w: left__ approach__ right__ together_" for
> lines 3&4.
>
> If there were a varient w: tag keyed to beats, it would help.
How about a
Taral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I'd also like to announce that I will be making the following amendments
> to the standard in libabc:
>
>
> If anyone thinks that these should be something else, please tell me!
I'd like to suggest something else.
Right now, my primary interest is notati
On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 01:30:30AM +0100, Richard Robinson wrote:
> Which, doesn't your abc2ps produce dotted notes ?
>
> Odd thing, though. My "(a.b.c.d.)" above ought, surely, to produce
> staccato notes with a slur over them ? In fact, the first note doesn't
> appear to have the dot. And (AB.
On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 11:56:27PM +0100, Richard Robinson wrote:
> It used a syntax with a '&' to separate 2 voices, before the V: was
> suggested. Looked pretty much like what you're saying, but involved
> something extra in the K: line, iirc, which no-one else really adopted.
From what I saw,
On 22 Oct 2001, Laura Conrad wrote:
> > "Richard" == Richard Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Richard> On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Taral wrote:
> >> I'll take this time to announce that I am working on a "libabc" that
> >> eventually will handle abc file parsing so that development
On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Taral wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 08:56:15PM +0100, Richard Robinson wrote:
> > > |F2A2Bc&F2c2bc|
> >
> > Is this the same syntax that abc2mtex used to use ? And, is there much abc
> > out there that uses it ? I used to have a few, I _think_ I've migrated
> > them a
On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 06:14:17PM -0400, Laura Conrad wrote:
> I agree, but what I want to hear is not so much about new features but
> a willingness to consider non-standard behavior as a bug (except for
> documented extensions), and a willingness to fix bugs even if they
> only affect other peo
> "Richard" == Richard Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Richard> On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Taral wrote:
>> I'll take this time to announce that I am working on a "libabc" that
>> eventually will handle abc file parsing so that development of new abc
>> applications is easier.
On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 08:56:15PM +0100, Richard Robinson wrote:
> > |F2A2Bc&F2c2bc|
>
> Is this the same syntax that abc2mtex used to use ? And, is there much abc
> out there that uses it ? I used to have a few, I _think_ I've migrated
> them all to use the newer and easier "V:" - being 2-p
On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Taral wrote:
> I'll take this time to announce that I am working on a "libabc" that
> eventually will handle abc file parsing so that development of new abc
> applications is easier.
If this can find its way into general acceptance, it would be a Good
Thing.
...
> I'd also
On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 09:57:35AM +0200, Guido Gonzato wrote:
> the FAQ should be updated. In actual fact, many ABC applications support
> dynamics; abcm2ps, jaabc2ps, abc2midi, to name but a few. Please check out
> the ABC draft, http://www.gre.ac.uk/~c.walshaw/abc/abc-draft.txt
I'll take this
On Sat 20 Oct 2001 at 05:41AM -0700, Aaron Newman wrote:
> I read in the FAQ that there is no way now to do dynamics in the official
> ABC language. How are people handling this?
abc2midi uses !p! !pp! !f! !fff! and so on.
> I am working on a (yet another) free ABC music editing and display pr
On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, Aaron Newman wrote:
> I read in the FAQ that there is no way now to do dynamics in the official
> ABC language. How are people handling this?
the FAQ should be updated. In actual fact, many ABC applications support
dynamics; abcm2ps, jaabc2ps, abc2midi, to name but a few. P
I read in the FAQ that there is no way now to do dynamics in the official
ABC language. How are people handling this?
I am working on a (yet another) free ABC music editing and display program,
and for some reason I overlooked this originally.
Also, I would also like the language to be able to
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