Re: [abcusers] abc2win vs. ABC...

2003-07-20 Thread Frank Nordberg
John Walsh wrote: ... Incidentally, for abc historians: if you have a copy of a Basic manual collecting dust on your shelves, check out the PLAY command. Hmmm... I think I can kinda guess what you're hinting at, but so many years have past! So, for those of us who happens to have such

Re: [abcusers] abc2win vs. ABC...

2003-07-19 Thread John Walsh
Frank Nordberg writes: Well, since I'm to blame for transcribing one of those books into ABC: abc2ps *did* in fact have some serious problems with some of the O'Neill 1001 tunes. I don't remember the details, though. Might have been some generic ABC problems, not related to abc2ps at all.

Re: [abcusers] abc2win vs. ABC...

2003-07-17 Thread Frank Nordberg
John Chambers wrote: ... Thus, my site has a copy of the three O'Neill's books that have been transcribed, and the Ryan/Cole collection (up to 800 tunes now). I doubt that abc2ps would have any problem with anything in these canonical Irish collections. Well, since I'm to blame for

Re: [abcusers] abc2win vs. ABC...

2003-07-16 Thread Jon Freeman
From: Guido Gonzato [EMAIL PROTECTED] That said, programs don't necessarily have to comply to 1.7.6 or 2.0.0 or 3.1415. Many users are happy with single-voice ABC, so programs targeting these users may be left untouched. But what about we classical musicians, who need more? What's more

Re: [abcusers] abc2win vs. ABC...

2003-07-16 Thread Iain (Jethro) Anderson
I use this abc for obtaining, sending, transcribing and printing tunes - I use emacs/xemacs as editor with abc-mode and then to produce top quality printed music I use jcabc2ps - what is *wrong* with the abc2ps's ?? - I like to use software that does one job - but does it very, very well.

Re: [abcusers] abc2win vs. ABC...

2003-07-16 Thread Guido Gonzato
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Iain (Jethro) Anderson wrote: I use this abc for obtaining, sending, transcribing and printing tunes - I use emacs/xemacs as editor with abc-mode and then to produce top quality printed music I use jcabc2ps - what is *wrong* with the abc2ps's ?? - I like to use

Re: [abcusers] abc2win vs. ABC...

2003-07-16 Thread Jon Freeman
From: Iain (Jethro) Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] I use this abc for obtaining, sending, transcribing and printing tunes - I use emacs/xemacs as editor with abc-mode and then to produce top quality printed music I use jcabc2ps - what is *wrong* with the abc2ps's ?? - I like to use software that

Re: [abcusers] abc2win vs. ABC...

2003-07-16 Thread John Chambers
Jethro writes: | I use this abc for obtaining, sending, transcribing and printing tunes - I | use emacs/xemacs as editor with abc-mode and then to produce top quality | printed music I use jcabc2ps - what is *wrong* with the abc2ps's ?? - I | like to use software that does one job - but does it

Re: [abcusers] abc2win vs. ABC...

2003-07-16 Thread John Chambers
Guido Gonzato writes: | On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Iain (Jethro) Anderson wrote: | | I use this abc for obtaining, sending, transcribing and printing tunes - I | use emacs/xemacs as editor with abc-mode and then to produce top quality | printed music I use jcabc2ps - what is *wrong* with the abc2ps's

Re: [abcusers] abc2win vs. ABC...

2003-07-16 Thread Richard Robinson
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 02:52:28PM +, John Chambers wrote: Jethro writes: | I use this abc for obtaining, sending, transcribing and printing tunes - I | use emacs/xemacs as editor with abc-mode and then to produce top quality | printed music I use jcabc2ps - what is *wrong* with the

Re: [abcusers] abc2win vs. ABC...

2003-07-16 Thread Richard Robinson
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 03:13:04PM +, John Chambers wrote: I also have a small zweifacher collection, trad Bavarian music with its jumble of meters. The old abc2ps does a fine job with it in any of the usual forms. It even handles the demented M:23/44 time signatures that you

Re: [abcusers] abc2win vs. ABC...

2003-07-16 Thread John Chambers
Jon Freeman writes: | From: Iain (Jethro) Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | I use this abc for obtaining, sending, transcribing and printing tunes - I | use emacs/xemacs as editor with abc-mode and then to produce top quality | printed music I use jcabc2ps - what is *wrong* with the abc2ps's ?? -

Re: [abcusers] abc2win vs. ABC...

2003-07-16 Thread John Chambers
Richard Robinson writes: | On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 03:13:04PM +, John Chambers wrote: | | I also have a small zweifacher collection, trad Bavarian | music with its jumble of meters. The old abc2ps does a fine | job with it in any of the usual forms. It even handles the | demented

Re: [abcusers] abc2win vs. ABC...

2003-07-16 Thread Richard Robinson
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 04:34:00PM +, John Chambers wrote: Richard Robinson writes: | | Heh heh. How about player programs ? Yeah. I think that the best approach for them is to just play the note lengths that they find, and not worry about it. There is unmeasured abc

Re: [abcusers] abc2win vs. ABC...

2003-07-16 Thread I. Oppenheim
The TeX-ness of it makes for many possibilities that the %%text constructions can't get near, in terms of setting text and tunes together on a page. (nor would we want them too, I reckon. Oh dear, have I just started another 6-month thread ?). My feeling about this is that abc and typesetting

Re: [abcusers] abc2win vs. ABC...

2003-07-16 Thread John Chambers
Richard Robinson writes: | | Yes. Also all those Balkan ones, where it would be nice to write 7 as | (4+3)/4, 18 as (4+3+3+4+4)/8, or whatever. Actually, abc2ps and clones should handle this without any problem. I've done this (with or without parens) in a number of tunes. The one qualification

Re: [abcusers] abc2win vs. ABC...

2003-07-16 Thread Richard Robinson
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 07:41:43PM +0200, I. Oppenheim wrote: The TeX-ness of it makes for many possibilities that the %%text constructions can't get near, in terms of setting text and tunes together on a page. (nor would we want them too, I reckon. Oh dear, have I just started another

Re: [abcusers] abc2win vs. ABC...

2003-07-16 Thread Richard Robinson
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 05:57:39PM +, John Chambers wrote: Richard Robinson writes: | | Yes. Also all those Balkan ones, where it would be nice to write 7 as | (4+3)/4, 18 as (4+3+3+4+4)/8, or whatever. ... Not that I use Q: lines much. In fact, it's often more useful to just

Re: [abcusers] abc2win vs. ABC...

2003-07-16 Thread Richard Robinson
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 09:25:14PM +0200, I. Oppenheim wrote: On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Richard Robinson wrote: For lowlevel TeX formatting of music notation, one can use already several excellent packages such as MTX, PMX and Lilypond. These are all actively maintained. Ah, but I

Re: [abcusers] abc2win vs. ABC...

2003-07-16 Thread Laura Conrad
Richard == Richard Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ah, but I didn't mean TeX formatting of the musical notation. I meant, how to get typesetting of text that surrounds abc, how to handle the mixing of text and tunes - placing abc tunes on a sheet of paper along with

Re: [abcusers] abc2win vs. ABC...

2003-07-16 Thread Laura Conrad
Richard == Richard Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Richard What I do is take all the text out of the abc tune, use Richard the usual abc2ps suspects to generate an eps of the bare Richard tune (with no text), have LaTeX set the title and any Richard other abc-tune text