Re: [abcusers] Chord notation

2001-02-16 Thread Bert Van Vreckem
Phil Taylor wrote: (I have a deep suspicion of the ambiguities inherent in text-based guitar chord symbols. I'd really rather write them out in abc.) And quite right you are, too. Not all chords can be played on the guitar as they should be. There's only six strings and four fingers. ;-)

Re: [abcusers] Chord notation

2001-02-16 Thread Mike Whitaker
On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 09:18:57AM +0100, Bert Van Vreckem wrote: Frank's Woodchopper ball arrangement snipped There are ambiguities here. Does G+11 mean G with added 11, G aug 11, or G11 with the 11th sharpened? From the chord faq http://guitarnotes.com/notes/noteget.cgi?chord_faq:

Re: [abcusers] Chord notation

2001-02-16 Thread Mike Whitaker
I'm going to take the liberty of reposting my suggestion for chord syntax, since it seems to have got rather lost amid discussions on MUSE's, abc2midi;s and the draft standard. Hey, Rocky - watch me pull a formal grammer out of this hat! Note * = zero or more of... [] = optional '' = literal

Re: [abcusers] Chord notation

2001-02-16 Thread Frank Nordberg
Bert Van Vreckem wrote: About the definition of 11 and 13 chords, see one of my previous mails. I agree with the KISS thing, though. If you want to be able to parse every possible chord, the modifier part in your regular language will become too complicated to be good. If you have a way

Re: [abcusers] Chord notation

2001-02-16 Thread Laurie Griffiths
Regarding my proposal for chord notation: Jack Campin said: ...it allows no way to write a bare octave... Fair enough - I'm happy to add "8" to the list. This begs a question though. How precise should the chord notation be? One expects the same chord notation to be interpretable by (at

Re: [abcusers] Chord notation

2001-02-16 Thread Mike Whitaker
On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 10:26:33AM +, Mike Whitaker wrote: I'm going to take the liberty of reposting my suggestion for chord syntax, since it seems to have got rather lost amid discussions on MUSE's, abc2midi;s and the draft standard. Hey, Rocky - watch me pull a formal grammer out of

Re: [abcusers] Chord notation

2001-02-16 Thread Phil Taylor
I'm going to take the liberty of reposting my suggestion for chord syntax, since it seems to have got rather lost amid discussions on MUSE's, abc2midi;s and the draft standard. Hey, Rocky - watch me pull a formal grammer out of this hat! We have a choice of two possible routes here. We can try

Re: [abcusers] Chord notation

2001-02-16 Thread Laurie Griffiths
Which is why I am coming more and more to like the recent suggestion of a mechanism to define chords beyond a reasonable standard set. Incidentally, it occurred to me that "/G" would be a logical name for the degenerate single-note chord which has G in the bass and nothing else. Any takers?

Re: [abcusers] Chord notation

2001-02-16 Thread Mike Whitaker
On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 12:04:19PM +, Phil Taylor wrote: (However, it will have to be written out in English, or most abc users won't even bother to read it.) Agreed. THat was as much an exervise to satisfy myself I could write a grammer that *could* be parsed as anything else. -- Mike

Re: [abcusers] Chord notation

2001-02-16 Thread Laura Conrad
"Laurie" == Laurie Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ...Is this an appropriate moment to suggest throwing in roman-numeral and figured-bass notations as well? Laurie Yes, it's the right moment, but I vote against it. I would have said, no, it's not the right moment, but I

RE: [abcusers] Chord notation

2001-02-16 Thread Richard L Walker
Wouldn't you just use the G note for that? or are you maybe thinking of a situation where you are creating backup music only using chords? "Richard L Walker"[EMAIL PROTECTED] Pensacola, FL 32504-7726 USA To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html

RE: [abcusers] Chord notation

2001-02-16 Thread Richard L Walker
If it ain't text, it ain't abc. (going back into the lurk mode) "Richard L Walker"[EMAIL PROTECTED] Pensacola, FL 32504-7726 USA -Original Message- From: Phil Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] ...(However, it will have to be written out in English, or most abc users won't even bother

Re: [abcusers] Chord notation

2001-02-16 Thread John Chambers
Laurie writes: | | Incidentally, it occurred to me that "/G" would be a logical name for the | degenerate single-note chord which has G in the bass and nothing else. Any | takers? Well, as an accordion player, my response would be "What's the difference?" That's pretty much a

Re: [abcusers] Chord notation

2001-02-16 Thread Frank Nordberg
Laurie Griffiths wrote: Frank Nordberg wants the modifier list to include... No, I don't. I want the entire modifier list replaced with a set of fairly simple rules defining the syntax of the modifier. If I understand Mike Whitaker's proposal (which I'm not absolutely sure I do) correctly,

Re: [abcusers] Chord notation

2001-02-16 Thread Frank Nordberg
Just two short apologizes - quite malapropos everything. I've struggled with some annoying time delays during this entire discussion. My own postings has sometimes taken ages to appear, and I've received other peoples posting in the wrong order (frequently getting somebody's reply before

Re: [abcusers] Chord notation

2001-02-16 Thread Frank Nordberg
Laura Conrad wrote: "Laurie" == Laurie Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ...Is this an appropriate moment to suggest throwing in roman-numeral and figured-bass notations as well? Laurie Yes, it's the right moment, but I vote against it. I would have said, no, it's not

Re: [abcusers] Chord notation

2001-02-16 Thread Laurie Griffiths
Maybe I was too cryptic. I know what the note is, it's G - but if I write "G" then I'd expect a guitarist (accordionist, mandolinist,...) to play a chord of G major. So how do we write "just the G by itself". I don't fancy writing something to parse "just the G by itself" any more than I

Re: [abcusers] Chord notation

2001-02-16 Thread Robert Bley-Vroman
Laurie Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This begs a question though. How precise should the chord notation be? One expects the same chord notation to be interpretable by (at least!) banjo, guitar, mandolin or keyboard and they will typically play the notes in different octaves and quite

Re: [abcusers] Chord notation

2001-02-16 Thread Mike Whitaker
On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 02:25:42PM -0800, Robert Bley-Vroman wrote: Laurie is right to ask this question. In the spirit of "KISS," consider how the typical abc user uses chord notation. It is NOT used to indicate precisely what notes are to be played. Rather, it is deliberately kept

[abcusers] Re: abcusers-digest V1 #441

2001-02-16 Thread DavBarnert
Jack Campin wrote- One beef. Why are the accidentals given that way? ABC has an irritating non-uniformity here: you write flats and sharps prefixed with ^ and _ if they occur as accidentals in the melody line of a piece, b and # postfixed in the key signature and in chords. Couldn't a

Re: [abcusers] Chord notation

2001-02-16 Thread Robert Bley-Vroman
"Laurie Griffiths" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Incidentally, it occurred to me that "/G" would be a logical name for the degenerate single-note chord which has G in the bass and nothing else. Any takers? I rather like it. A suggestion: When we consider an option, let's see what it would look