Re: [Accessibility-ia2] IA2 Role Landmark

2016-08-24 Thread James Teh
Hi Rich, I understand the reason for the use of the landmark role for role="form". However, I disagree with the HTML form element being mapped to the landmark role because semantics are lost. The fact that something is a form has more semantic value than just being a landmark. Still, if the

Re: [Accessibility-ia2] aria-details and aria-errormessage mapping

2016-08-24 Thread Joanmarie Diggs
Hey Rich. Understood regarding non-normative requirements on ATs. But note that my statement didn't say who would hold those expectations. If authors expect it and/or users expect it, and other screen readers meet that expectation, then Orca should also meet it. Moreover, if NVDA provides that

Re: [Accessibility-ia2] aria-details and aria-errormessage mapping

2016-08-24 Thread Richard Schwerdtfeger
Well, If you had an error message I can certainly see the need for the user to, after they have gone to the error message, go back to the associated control to fix the error. ... aria-details reverse relationship, I don't believe, is as critical.  We do not, however, put normative requirements on

Re: [Accessibility-ia2] aria-details and aria-errormessage mapping

2016-08-24 Thread Richard Schwerdtfeger
These were the original relation names for error message and details   IA2_RELATION_DETAILS IA2_RELATION_ERROR_MESSAGE   I also have these relationships for ATK/ATSPI: RELATION_DETAILS RELATION_ERROR_MESSAGE   They are listed in this branch I am working on:

Re: [Accessibility-ia2] IA2 Role Landmark

2016-08-24 Thread Rich Schwerdtfeger
Jamie, The point is we want ALL the landmarks to be treated the same way for ATVs. So, first we determine that it is a landmark. Then we go to xml-roles to determine the type of landmark. Otherwise, we need a special case for a form. That is what we are trying to avoid. For these reasons

Re: [Accessibility-ia2] aria-details and aria-errormessage mapping

2016-08-24 Thread Richard Schwerdtfeger
ok.   So, Alex, please provide me the name of the two IA2 relationships fore details and error message? I will work with joseph and amelia to look at concatenation of error messages in the description.   Also, Joanie expressed a desire to have reverse relationships for details and error message. I

Re: [Accessibility-ia2] aria-details and aria-errormessage mapping

2016-08-24 Thread Joanmarie Diggs
Hey Rich. On matters where I have no strong opinion, but Jamie does, I defer to Jamie. Mapping of aria-details and aria-errormessage for my platform falls into this category, at least currently. Let's suck it and see. --joanie On 08/24/2016 10:39 AM, Richard Schwerdtfeger wrote: > Alright. I am