Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Inserting comments with a screen reader.
On 2024-02-11 09:44, Jason J.G. White wrote: On 11/2/24 09:22, V Stuart Foote wrote: The + 4 to land directly on the Navigator deck followed by and Cursor down movements down to the Comments nodes does expose the content of each of the comments. Additionally when focused on a comment in Windows the + will expose the context menu for the comment allowing editing and a go to action. Thank you for the update. The next time I receive an office-file-format document containing comments, I'll try the above-mentioned features. I'm using Linux with Orca. Naturally, I would welcome improvements in this area. I shouldn't have to turn to Microsoft Windows and Microsoft Office just to read and respond to comments in a document. Can't test currently, but the Windows + for Context menu (i.e. keycode 135 keysym MENU : 0xFF67) according to a quick Google search, in addition to +, might be provided via + in some Linux DE, and by + on macOS -- you have to figure out the mapping for the MENU if not +. The xev utility should expose which on Linux. Otherwise Navigation down to the Comment object listing in the Sidebar Navigator deck should work the same cross platform. And once there, focus onto each to sound. Or open its context menu to manipulate. Would be nice to be able to get there directly via shortcut -- perhaps overloading the ++ to direct into the SB Navigator deck. -- V Stuart Foote -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Inserting comments with a screen reader.
On 11/2/24 09:22, V Stuart Foote wrote: The + 4 to land directly on the Navigator deck followed by and Cursor down movements down to the Comments nodes does expose the content of each of the comments. Additionally when focused on a comment in Windows the + will expose the context menu for the comment allowing editing and a go to action. Thank you for the update. The next time I receive an office-file-format document containing comments, I'll try the above-mentioned features. I'm using Linux with Orca. Naturally, I would welcome improvements in this area. I shouldn't have to turn to Microsoft Windows and Microsoft Office just to read and respond to comments in a document. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Inserting comments with a screen reader.
On 2024-02-11 00:57, Stéphane Guillou wrote: Thanks for the response, Stuart. Another useful shortcut is Ctrl + Alt + Pg Up or Down to jump from one comment to another. I'll add two relevant tickets regarding the currently limited accessibility of Writer comments: * Allow editing comments using the keyboard: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102054 * Comment text not interacted with by screen readers: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92389 Cheers Yes, it is more of a mess than I'd remembered. With Win10 and NVDA 2023.3.2 and LO 24.2.03 unfortunately the ++ or will land on the Comment but then does not sound them, suspect missing/mistyped accessible event on focus. They're only available via convoluted keyboard navigation into the Navigator Comments listing. I don't have an ORCA set up at the moment, but suspect similar there (only via context menu from the Navigator deck). Status as Christophe S. summarized in comment 11 of tdf#92389 [1] and as noted in the NVDA issues [2] [3]. Since then, the work on the Navigator deck has moved things along a little bit. The + 4 to land directly on the Navigator deck followed by and Cursor down movements down to the Comments nodes does expose the content of each of the comments. Additionally when focused on a comment in Windows the + will expose the context menu for the comment allowing editing and a go to action. But, much room to improve. =-ref-= [1] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92389 [2] https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7700 [3] https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/11684 -- V Stuart Foote -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Inserting comments with a screen reader.
On 11/02/2024 02:14, V Stuart Foote wrote: On 2024-02-10 10:30, Robert Kingett wrote: I am running the 2024.2 version of LibreOffice, on Windows 11, the latest version, and using the free and open source screen reader NVDA. When I press the key command to insert a comment in a Writer document, control Alt M, a pane opens but when I press F6 and navigate to the pane, that's when I have an extremely hard time finding that edit field. Could someone give me a bit more guidance on how to actually open the comments edit box or at least provide me with a layout as to what is in that pane so I know how to navigate it better? The shortcut to open a new comment is Control + Alt + C Alternative to create new comment is to use the main menu via F10, then enter I, then enter N as accelerator. The specific key for accelerator can/will change depending on locale. The shortcut Control + Alt + C should be stable. When you open the Comment dialog, you already are in its edit field. After entering content, an Escape key will return edit cursor focus to the document canvas. However, once comment is present on document canvas, there is limited keyboard navigation via document canvas. An F6 sequence will take cursor focus out of the document. Not into the comment objects. So instead, the Sidebar provides the Navigator deck, where Comments can be efficiently reviewed. Use the Alt key + number 4 shortcut to land on the Navigator SB deck. Alternative is to launch an undocked Navigator using the F5 key. Slightly different behavior between the floating F5 navigator and the sidebar deck via Alt key + number 4 (don't use the numpad 4). Once focused on the Navigator deck, simple TAB or Shift TAB will move between blocks of controls, while Cursor up or down will advance through items. If you get lost, F10 will always take you back to main menu. And F6 or shift F6 moves between major UI elements. The Alt + number 4 will take you to the sidebar Navigator deck or F5 will toggle the floating navigator open or closed. The navigator has many movement modes, the one you want is listed as Navigate by comments. But there are many other things you could navigate the document by. For example bookmarks, pages, frames depending on what is present in the document. Be sure of which selection is made in the navigate by list box. Give that a try for manipulating Comments Please ask if you have specific issues Thanks for the response, Stuart. Another useful shortcut is Ctrl + Alt + Pg Up or Down to jump from one comment to another. I'll add two relevant tickets regarding the currently limited accessibility of Writer comments: * Allow editing comments using the keyboard: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102054 * Comment text not interacted with by screen readers: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92389 Cheers -- Stéphane Guillou Quality Assurance Analyst | The Document Foundation Email:[email protected] Matrix: @stragu:matrix.org Fediverse: @[email protected] Web:https://stragu.gitlab.io/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Inserting comments with a screen reader.
On 2024-02-10 10:30, Robert Kingett wrote: I am running the 2024.2 version of LibreOffice, on Windows 11, the latest version, and using the free and open source screen reader NVDA. When I press the key command to insert a comment in a Writer document, control Alt M, a pane opens but when I press F6 and navigate to the pane, that's when I have an extremely hard time finding that edit field. Could someone give me a bit more guidance on how to actually open the comments edit box or at least provide me with a layout as to what is in that pane so I know how to navigate it better? The shortcut to open a new comment is Control + Alt + C Alternative to create new comment is to use the main menu via F10, then enter I, then enter N as accelerator. The specific key for accelerator can/will change depending on locale. The shortcut Control + Alt + C should be stable. When you open the Comment dialog, you already are in its edit field. After entering content, an Escape key will return edit cursor focus to the document canvas. However, once comment is present on document canvas, there is limited keyboard navigation via document canvas. An F6 sequence will take cursor focus out of the document. Not into the comment objects. So instead, the Sidebar provides the Navigator deck, where Comments can be efficiently reviewed. Use the Alt key + number 4 shortcut to land on the Navigator SB deck. Alternative is to launch an undocked Navigator using the F5 key. Slightly different behavior between the floating F5 navigator and the sidebar deck via Alt key + number 4 (don't use the numpad 4). Once focused on the Navigator deck, simple TAB or Shift TAB will move between blocks of controls, while Cursor up or down will advance through items. If you get lost, F10 will always take you back to main menu. And F6 or shift F6 moves between major UI elements. The Alt + number 4 will take you to the sidebar Navigator deck or F5 will toggle the floating navigator open or closed. The navigator has many movement modes, the one you want is listed as Navigate by comments. But there are many other things you could navigate the document by. For example bookmarks, pages, frames depending on what is present in the document. Be sure of which selection is made in the navigate by list box. Give that a try for manipulating Comments Please ask if you have specific issues -- Stuart -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
