Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] MacOS: When arrowing up and down, not every new line or paragraph is spoken by VoiceOver
Hi Marco, On 2025-01-25 14:39, Marco Zehe wrote: I filed a bug and attached sample documents to it which don’t have critical content: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164849 Thanks a lot! I can reproduce the issue with VoiceOver on macOS. Orca on Linux and NVDA on Windows announce the sample doc just fine. With JAWS on Windows, I can also reproduce some issue (presumably related to relations, but that might be a different root cause). Michael -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] MacOS: When arrowing up and down, not every new line or paragraph is spoken by VoiceOver
Hi Michael and List, Re-sending this because I originally sent it to Michael only accidentally. > Am 21.01.2025 um 16:57 schrieb Michael Weghorn : > If you have sample documents, it would be great if you could attach them to a > new bug report in Bugzilla or (in particular if you only have documents that > can't be attached to a public bug tracker) send them to me directly. I filed a bug and attached sample documents to it which don’t have critical content: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164849 Marco -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] MacOS: When arrowing up and down, not every new line or paragraph is spoken by VoiceOver
Hi Marco, On 2025-01-21 14:17, Marco Zehe wrote: The worst experience is that of an imported .docx document. That basically has this problem from the start. An .odt document that was created by someone else or some software like an EtherPad, reads fine, all text is in the first multiline text field accessible. If I add to that document, each new paragraph gets its own text accessible object, and that also remains so after saving, closing, and reopening. As if LibreOffice differentiates between what was originally there and what was added by the user in this application. If I start with a fresh .odt document, each paragraph gets its own accessible, but at least things read mostly consistently. If someone wants to look at sample documents, I have nonsensical content that I can share privately, don’t want to bother the list. I haven't seen the behavior you describe with Orca on Linux or recent NVDA versions on Windows, but I was sent a sample document that shows behavior similar to what you describe with JAWS on Windows. I didn't get to look into it too much yet, but from what I've seen so far, there's some inconsistency in Writer's a11y implementation related to off-creen content and when information gets queried via relations (flows-from/flows-to). What you're experiencing on macOS might be the same underlying issue. If you have sample documents, it would be great if you could attach them to a new bug report in Bugzilla or (in particular if you only have documents that can't be attached to a public bug tracker) send them to me directly. Michael -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] MacOS: When arrowing up and down, not every new line or paragraph is spoken by VoiceOver
Hi again, I have some more information to share. The worst experience is that of an imported .docx document. That basically has this problem from the start. An .odt document that was created by someone else or some software like an EtherPad, reads fine, all text is in the first multiline text field accessible. If I add to that document, each new paragraph gets its own text accessible object, and that also remains so after saving, closing, and reopening. As if LibreOffice differentiates between what was originally there and what was added by the user in this application. If I start with a fresh .odt document, each paragraph gets its own accessible, but at least things read mostly consistently. If someone wants to look at sample documents, I have nonsensical content that I can share privately, don’t want to bother the list. Thanks! Marco > Am 21.01.2025 um 12:42 schrieb Marco Zehe : > > Hi there! > > After a longer hiatus, I am trying out the current LibreOffice 24.8.4 on > MacOS Sequoia 15.2. > > While doing so, I noticed that not every paragraph in a document is spoken > when arrowing up and down. Sometimes VoiceOver only issues a „ding“, > sometimes nothing happens. Then, after a few presses of up or down arrow, a > random new paragraph gets spoken, when focus moves to it. > > Under MacOS, each paragraph is its own text control inside a container. It > appears that not every transition from one paragraph/text control to the next > is being announced. > > Is this known already? > > Thanks! > > Marco > > P.S. I no longer have Windows to compare to, I am on MacOS exclusively these > days. > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
